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jenks
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 Posted - 2007/01/28 : 16:47:12
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2nd paragraph... i have never respected anyone more because they are religious and i wouldnt have really expected anyone would respect me more because i am religious.... i definitely havent relegated my mind to a state of blissful ignorance because i choose to believe there is something out there more powerful than us lol
Twistings words, I never said it was stupid to believe in a higher power, I aren't an athiest. What I mean is; it only takes a small amount of thought and you can poke holes in every religion, none of them seem to be based on much (if any) evidence, infact there seems to be plenty of evidence to the contrary... Maybe there is a God or Gods, but I'm willing to bet that every religion out there has got it wrong, the fact that despite all the things we know about the world people still believe in these theories set hundreds of years ago, to me, is a joke. As people have said, religion is a personal thing (or supposed to be), so wouldn't it make sense if everyone had their own belief system instead of conforming to one of the 'set' religions? But then again maybe that would stop it from being religion at all...
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whether or not religion may be bs or not isnt really the point, neither is whos religion is right or wrong or even if there is a right religion at all. the point is that people do have something to turn to... religion provides solace for many people and i agree with marshy, it is in a way a guideline to living life and a basic structure of morals etc and its up to the individual as to how they want to interpret these things... peoples overall views are going to be shaped by various other things in society like cultural beliefs anyway, so how someone decides to incorporate religion into their life is completely up to them.
Well this is part of my point. First of all personally I think it should be a case of wether a religion is BS or not, imo people should believe something because they truly believe it, not because they want to believe it. On the point of guidance, surely in this day and age where TV can convey what happens around the world and how all different people live, we can formulate a moral code of our own without having to rely on an old book?
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in the end for me it is about believing that there is something out there that is more powerful than us and i dont think ill burn in hell because i dont go to church every sunday... or at least i hope i wont burn in hell 
Well that's good, I aren't really against belief or faith, I just think these set religions don't have a place in the world anymore, or atleast shouldn't. People can look to the bible for guidance/solace all they want, if it helps them then fair enough, but I don't like the fact that there are people out there that encourage it, infact I think people that do turn to old religious texts are insulting their own intellegence by thinking that they need to.
All just IMO ofcourse.
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dee_licious
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Posted - 2007/01/28 : 21:28:27
Personal point of view.....i agree with those of you who say its a personal thing and as such should be kept that way! Don't like having any type of religion shoved on me, although when i need something quite badly (which is more often than not) i find myself praying to the heavens!
I must admit though, i do find it hard to forgive! Thats just too hard to contemplate. As for the muslim faith, i know little about that so i won't comment, but i am sure that if there is a god, of whatever faith, they wouldn't want people to kill others for their gain.
I like to think (i was asking a friend about this not so long ago) that when we die, it isn't the end, just a big black nothing, and i'm sure if any of you have lost loved ones, that you would like to think that they are with you still or they have gone on to someplace better, free from pain and sickness they endured while being alive....i know i do!
So whether there is a god or not, i hope he's taking care of my loved ones as well as i would have been if they were still here!
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Posted - 2007/01/29 : 10:07:47
I once split up with a girlfriend on religious grounds.
She's Jewish, i'm a pig!
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Posted - 2007/01/29 : 11:43:34
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I once split up with a girlfriend on religious grounds.
She's Jewish, i'm a pig!
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Posted - 2007/01/29 : 11:53:33
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I once split up with a girlfriend on religious grounds.
She's Jewish, i'm a pig!
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Posted - 2007/01/29 : 13:30:50
You do know that laughing only encourages him don't you?
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warped_candykid
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Posted - 2007/01/29 : 13:40:38
I am Christian (Baptist), I dont preach to people because I know I dont live my life perfect. I try to help people, not tell them how to live. I will agree, a lot of Christians are hypocritical, but there are some decent Christians.
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kathryn
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Posted - 2007/01/29 : 14:29:17
Believe it or not my dad brought me and my older broethers up as catholics but i chose not to carry on after school to attend church!
If i did then i am supposed to have kids after marriage!
I chose to lead the path i have i have no regrets and now i am happy as i am with a great hubby to be and 3 children
Wished that the world that they have to grow up in wasnt as bad as it is as i really worry about their future.
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Posted - 2007/01/29 : 15:16:01
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Originally posted by kathryn:
Believe it or not my dad brought me and my older broethers up as catholics but i chose not to carry on after school to attend church!
If i did then i am supposed to have kids after marriage!
I chose to lead the path i have i have no regrets and now i am happy as i am with a great hubby to be and 3 children
Wished that the world that they have to grow up in wasnt as bad as it is as i really worry about their future.
oh shit.. no sex for marriage O_O .. im goin to hell.. :p .. na serious kat.. altho im christian.. i know all teens christians do it before marriage.. big deal.. its wot every kid does nowadays..
ow and btw.. neophyte - alles kapot .. wkd track :) .. brought me into hardcore ;)
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Posted - 2007/01/29 : 16:03:37
As I have chemistry test tomorrow, I can't read all what you all wrote, will do it when I have more time
But I do have to post this:
George Carlin on Religion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzHlMs2rSIM
He does have really good points there, it is really worth watching and quite funny too :P
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kathryn
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Posted - 2007/01/29 : 16:09:24
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Originally posted by dj bugbear:
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Originally posted by kathryn:
Believe it or not my dad brought me and my older broethers up as catholics but i chose not to carry on after school to attend church!
If i did then i am supposed to have kids after marriage!
I chose to lead the path i have i have no regrets and now i am happy as i am with a great hubby to be and 3 children
Wished that the world that they have to grow up in wasnt as bad as it is as i really worry about their future.
oh shit.. no sex for marriage O_O .. im goin to hell.. :p .. na serious kat.. altho im christian.. i know all teens christians do it before marriage.. big deal.. its wot every kid does nowadays..
ow and btw.. neophyte - alles kapot .. wkd track :) .. brought me into hardcore ;)
ow and btw.. neophyte - alles kapot .. wkd track :) .. brought me into hardcore ;)
yup Stu showed me a clip of it other day its wicked
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Posted - 2007/01/29 : 16:47:33
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Originally posted by kathryn:
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Originally posted by dj bugbear:
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Originally posted by kathryn:
Believe it or not my dad brought me and my older broethers up as catholics but i chose not to carry on after school to attend church!
If i did then i am supposed to have kids after marriage!
I chose to lead the path i have i have no regrets and now i am happy as i am with a great hubby to be and 3 children
Wished that the world that they have to grow up in wasnt as bad as it is as i really worry about their future.
oh shit.. no sex for marriage O_O .. im goin to hell.. :p .. na serious kat.. altho im christian.. i know all teens christians do it before marriage.. big deal.. its wot every kid does nowadays..
ow and btw.. neophyte - alles kapot .. wkd track :) .. brought me into hardcore ;)
ow and btw.. neophyte - alles kapot .. wkd track :) .. brought me into hardcore ;)
yup Stu showed me a clip of it other day its wicked
hehe wkd :D yea that clip rocks ^^
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Posted - 2007/01/29 : 20:12:00
Well i work in a catholic school, and nuns do live on campus! My younger brother goes to a catholic school, and i went to an Anglican school.
I'm not a great fan of religion but as you can see, i still respect others choices and i don't try to convince them that it's a bad idea...
... unless they try to preach to me first 
Following a religion is a personal decision, to be made by the individual ONLY. It does give individuals something to believe in and to love in their life, and i can see why they follow that. I can't respect the people who take it the step further and use it to snub or try to convert others to follow them *cough* hillsong *cough*. I especially don't think religion is ANY reason to go to war about. "Big whoop, my buddah is a fat man who will sit on your god! Yeah! how would he like THAT?"
still I do think the ancient greeks gods were interesting (Zeus/Hades/Aphrodite etc)... not that i believe in them... Its a bit hard to do sacrifices legally these days
also i support the banning of mushy peas movement
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Posted - 2007/01/30 : 18:02:58
cba reading all of this so will jst jump rite in :-P
IMO religion is jst for people who have never took the time to ever think about anything properly so jst put it all down to one thing i.e god either becuase thats what they got told to do at school/parents, they simply like the idea of there being sumot after they die so they go along with it, or they dont wna take the risk that there is sumthing more so they become religious
Fairenuff years n years back when peops werent educated and couldnt explain things the same so they shouved it in the god pile, but every bit of it these days can be picked at soon be explained
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Posted - 2007/01/30 : 19:35:55
OK first off I am a christian. I have choosen my path and am happy with it. That said I do not force it on other people and seem to fall out with other christians more than nearly any other set because of it. My views are not conventional, I do believe in evolution and Darwin ( to degree ), I do not hold much with christian ethic or morality as laws. For example, I don't believe anyone is going to hell for smoking a chonga or enjoying a weekend ( if you catch my drift ) . I believe in a god and no scientist has yet proved this not to be so, so faith ( as Underloop puts it ) is as valid as science in that particular case. I believe god has many faces and facets and if that is the case no single person can fully comprehend it/him/her.
That is not to say we shouldn't try, like steven hawking does in his field of physics.
At a base level god could be nature ( a different name that's all ) its all up from there and any person in my book is free to explore that. Hindu,christian, Buddist Muslim and Jew all have strands of truth to their creed, yet no philosophy, ideology, politics, religion or science is perfect. Perfect is yet unattainable, ( God if you like ) and I do think that is worth chasing even unsuccessful. I don't believe in religion as an excuse or a crutch but as a discilpline I set myself to live by but only I succeed or fail by it and only I will truely know,
As a Christian brought up Anglican/welsh chapel one of my pass times is studying Christianity and Jesus ( long before the Da Vinci code by the way ) , that means looking at all sides and as a scientist ,questioning everything including my own faith on regular basis. Like discovering Pagan connections, How the Celtic Church differs from catholic church. reading the dead sea scrolls and the Coptic gospels.
In essense I believe Jesus ( the man ) explained how to be a son of god and how we could also do the same if we realised it. Much like Budda who takes a more internal line to enlightenment. As a christian I really struggle with Pauline thought. I am a follower of Jesus who was a Jew not Paul, a Roman politician who could see military power waning and seems to me, a man who wanted Rome to continue to control us in spirtual sense.
I have far to much to put down here in one go but I think the thread is a good one, rather than hiding from these discussions I glad to see one happening in a place I would call a faith home. Sometimes I dissappear but I always return ( home ).
OK so in short ( for me ) the synoptic gospels are not synoptic, much has been developed changed and lost in translation in all creeds. New truth comes to light and we as a clever bunch of monkeys develop but that's the point, many great men and women came before us and to understand them they need to be studied properly befor a decison is made. In the Koran it says any christian or jew may worship in a mosque as we all worship the same god.
I believe in love and hate, I prefer and try to stand for love. I believe in a merciful god. I cannot condemn a baby that dies in Iraq because it was muslim.
We can all be sons of god if we realise it, if we want it, its our choice but we have to choose, we all have choice.
As I said this is a favourite of mine so I will try and stop here.
Do you know.....
Peter is not a real name but a nickname like Rock or Rocky
So is Thomas it means twin ( and he is not mentioned at all properly till after Jesus's death ) So he could have been Jesus's twin James the Elder questioning and assuming leadership in a very dangerous time. Puts a new spin on things don't it
There is as much evidence to suggest Mary Magdoline was an Egyptian Priestess as there is a Prostitute.
Baptism is not a Jewish rite it is Egyptian.
Messiah at the time meant Priest King of both bloods, it did not mean saviour of the world.
Nazereth did not exsist at the time of Jesus,whoo did if you believe he was the son of god or not and PROBABLY born late summer september. so like John the Baptist was very Essene in style. I believe Jesus was a Nazerene of thought.
That is what I try to be.
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