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Dj Fonz
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 Posted - 2007/05/01 : 09:30:28
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Originally posted by Brian K:
and like I really trust youtube to be the authority on djing =P
That not a dig at me?
Ok so straight arms are better for scratching or so they say, i can do it pretty well on technics so can most others! Straight arms also mean more records wear!
Vestax build quality is no where near that of technics! Surely you can not dispute this!
You have confused me as to what you mean by "you can pitch slower/faster hip hop easier" is +/- 8 or 16 is not enough? If i understand you right all i can say in a hiphop sense is that is straight up wack, no hiphop track should need to be played that fast or slow, if jumping such a dramatic BPM then another method of mixing other than beat matching should be utillised ie. slam or drop
And just curious as to what cd deck you think beats the pioneers? denon or technics?
I will sing praise all day for technic TT's but there mixer or cdj are another story and i aint exactly keen on denon either but hey each to their own
i think we will just have to agree to disagree on this
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SickPigRecords
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Posted - 2007/05/01 : 15:36:33
Also I personally thing TTX's & PDX's have too much torque... If you need to shift something into place quick it's more difficult and I don't like that. I think technics have it perfectly balanced you don't need any more torque.
this i agree with but this is only because we aer used to stuffing the deck forward everso slightly but i totaly know what you mean and well i think if you think the 1210s are better than the controller one you must be on drugs it is a instrament aswell as a shit hot deck google it check it out really!
as for the pdx 8000 (NOT 2000) they make the 1210 look like a gramaphone but like the str8's and TTx they have hella torque you say this is a bad thin but it was one of technics main selling points
the other reason that 1210's anre not in my top 5 is that the platter is far more unstable than the rest as it sits on a pissy little pin in the middle unlike the rest
i was just stating what i think are the BEST decks
Not Value for money ofr what to get
like many have said before me 1210's are every were and to get used to them you cant go wrong
however if you want to do new things and take djing to the next level take advantage of the technogly that is there as they dont invest millions creating it for nothing
another thing i have heard that the ttx's can over heat i have no exprence of this but i am intrested if any one else has as this is not a good thin and would make them unsuitable for use in a large venus (what would the ravers say if the deck stoped working yet another reason for the reliability of the 1210's) but is this the case ?
Closing comment ..
i do belive we should move on from 1210's as industry standard but no one else seems to be able to fill the place when it comes to reliability and specs for no messing around plain old mixing as they last forever but if you want the best toy to play with the are Not it
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Dj Fonz
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Posted - 2007/05/01 : 16:28:53
|My comment about being a bell end was for his sly dig at me about youtube, nothing to do with his opion on which TT's are better
As i have already stated EACH TO HIS OWN
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Brian K
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Posted - 2007/05/01 : 22:35:24
no that wasn't a 'dig' at you, most of the videos on youtube I've seen are old and they aren't the djs home setup.
for pitching hip hop I meant for accapellas, and yes sometimes 8/16+/- isn't enough
I'd rather lug around 2 vestax tables in a coffin than 2 techs because they are much much lighter =P
most of the higher end decks are all good at what they do, but I feel technic is loosing it's edge as they are sticking w/ what's been done (but they did make the motor smaller making it easier to put in a double click button) while other companies are moving forward.
for cds you have options to have a deck that can play both a cd & vinyl as well as music programs that you can just put all your tracks onto a laptop and play them through a digital record
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Jax
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Posted - 2007/05/01 : 22:53:35
technics 1210 mk5g's are the best ive been on, if only they were cheaper :(
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Dj Fonz
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Posted - 2007/05/02 : 07:26:57
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Originally posted by Brian K:
for cds you have options to have a deck that can play both a cd & vinyl as well as music programs that you can just put all your tracks onto a laptop and play them through a digital record
Yes mate i have serato scratch live and do this with my TECHNICS everytime
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Brian K
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Posted - 2007/05/02 : 07:42:01
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Originally posted by Dj Fonz:
Yes mate i have serato scratch live and do this with my TECHNICS everytime
I'm glad you can, you can do that on other decks as well
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SPOOX
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 Posted - 2007/05/09 : 14:51:17
1210s without a doubt me old maties!! Had mine since 96 & ain't had 1 single problem what so ever!
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Ph33rViper
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Posted - 2007/05/10 : 16:34:24
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Originally posted by Jax:
technics 1210 mk5g's are the best ive been on, if only they were cheaper :(
Me would like a pair of those awesome Turntables :D
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2007/05/17 : 13:51:23
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Originally posted by SickPigRecords:
Also I personally thing TTX's & PDX's have too much torque... If you need to shift something into place quick it's more difficult and I don't like that. I think technics have it perfectly balanced you don't need any more torque.
this i agree with but this is only because we aer used to stuffing the deck forward everso slightly but i totaly know what you mean and well i think if you think the 1210s are better than the controller one you must be on drugs it is a instrament aswell as a shit hot deck google it check it out really!
Yeah, having too much torque can make the deck "bounce back" when you correct it. I find tech12s have the perfect amount of torque: enough to start up any record fast enough but not so much that you can't use the platter to correct the mix.
However, I can understand that scratch DJs/turntablists would want more torque than the Tech12s offer. However, having read many things about WHY Technics doesn't put a more powerful motor, I can tell you it's because it wouldn't last as long.
That's why TTX-1s overheat and/or motors die. Tech12 motors last ****ing forever because they're capable of 25% more torque but they're run under capacity so they last forever. I know this because I know some electrical engineers that modified their tech12s so they'd have more torque (same motor).
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Originally posted by SickPigRecords:
as for the pdx 8000 (NOT 2000) they make the 1210 look like a gramaphone but like the str8's and TTx they have hella torque you say this is a bad thin but it was one of technics main selling points
Who cares what the deck looks like? We're DJs - we want function. Numark TT-200s *LOOK* cool but they *SUCK ASS*.
The main selling point of Technics wasn't high torque, it was the fact they were direct drive when everyone else was doing belt drive. They had more torque but it was mostly that the torque was consistent and the platter rotation was VERY consistent.
In fact, the Technics hold the pitch better than any other turntable so for MIXING (not scratching) they're better than any other turntable: holding the pitch is the most important feature of a mixing deck.
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Originally posted by SickPigRecords:
the other reason that 1210's anre not in my top 5 is that the platter is far more unstable than the rest as it sits on a pissy little pin in the middle unlike the rest
i was just stating what i think are the BEST decks
Not Value for money ofr what to get
like many have said before me 1210's are every were and to get used to them you cant go wrong
however if you want to do new things and take djing to the next level take advantage of the technogly that is there as they dont invest millions creating it for nothing
How is the platter unstable? Do you own tech12s? I've *STOOD* on a tech12's platter and it didn't bend or warp. That "pissy little pin" is actually quite large and strong - and what do you think every other deck has in the middle of the platter? (a pin...)
Tech12s last forever and the platter is heavy - I don't know where you're getting this "unstable" from...
Want unstable? Look at a Stanton deck.
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Originally posted by SickPigRecords:
another thing i have heard that the ttx's can over heat i have no exprence of this but i am intrested if any one else has as this is not a good thin and would make them unsuitable for use in a large venus (what would the ravers say if the deck stoped working yet another reason for the reliability of the 1210's) but is this the case ?
The TTX-1 mark Is were known to overheat - supposedly the mark IIs don't but who cares, tech12s are better anyways and Numark NEVER makes anything good.
All the parts in tech12s are replaceable - they're 100% serviceable. Numark decks are...umm...****ed if they have a problem.
One of my tech12s is over 10 years old, has been used in countless clubs and had beer spilled in it, been dropped, etc. and still works PERFECTLY.
Try to do that with your plastic TTX-1.
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Originally posted by SickPigRecords:
Closing comment ..
i do belive we should move on from 1210's as industry standard but no one else seems to be able to fill the place when it comes to reliability and specs for no messing around plain old mixing as they last forever but if you want the best toy to play with the are Not it
We *shouldn't* move on. Nothing better has come along. Nothing can hold the pitch like a Tech12 can so for that alone anybody that mixes EDM doesn't want to use anything else.
Add the fact that everyone is used to them, everyone has them and the fact they're 100% serviceable and the most reliable on the market...It's no wonder they're standard.
TTX-1s have digital pitch faders with a 0,1% pitch resolution - that's the same pitch resolution as my rackmount CDJs that I have to ****ing *correct 2-3 times every mix*.
Tech12s have analog pitch faders with infinite pitch resolution.
I can't speak for PDXs but I've tried them once and they were OK but nothing more.
Same for str8-150s (those are flimsy though...they weigh like half as much as tech12s).
We don't need ANY of the fancy gimmicks (reverse...give me a break, 50% pitch...useless for EDM, etc.) - we want decks that we can use to MIX properly.
It's a different story if you're a scratch DJ but if you're mixing, **** anything but tech12s.
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roundhead711
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Posted - 2007/05/17 : 14:45:37
Firstly i agree with bulby g wot a legend!!
Secondly how do you think technics and pioneer cjd1000mk3 became the industry favourite.
Thirdly Technics are much better for beatmatching and mixing, once a tunes in beats it'll stay in beat for days ;)
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Henrik K.
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Posted - 2007/05/28 : 18:21:24
I have a pair of ttx1'es and they are good for home use and they have a nice price. But because the mk2's are standard in almoust every club the torque difference needs a bit time to adjust with when i go out but it's not that big difference with a ttx2's that is set to low torque. if u set a ttx2 to low torque it's almoust like a mk2. but i have to agree that the pitch control is more accurate on the mk2.
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2007/05/28 : 23:23:07
sheesh, i have ttx1s and i dont have any problems keeping things in time at all
i dont have any problems with technics either
think you guys just need to practise more and stop blaming the decks
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2007/05/29 : 18:21:31
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
sheesh, i have ttx1s and i dont have any problems keeping things in time at all
i dont have any problems with technics either
think you guys just need to practise more and stop blaming the decks
:)
Listen to my mixes and tell me I have trouble keeping stuff in time...I'm on 3 decks for heaven's sake.
My point is that I have to correct more often (like...ALOT more often) on TTX-1s than tech12s and it's just basic mathematics since the pitch fader is less accurate.
On top of the TTX-1 requiring more effort to correct in the first place (and therefore more time).
Every DJ that's worth their salt can beatmatch on your grandpa's turntables with no pitch faders except they'll be correcting the whole ****ing time. What you want is to reduce the corrections to a minimum - which is what tech12s are all about.
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djscorch
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Posted - 2007/05/30 : 13:09:08
I've got a 1200 and a 1210 that must be about 15 years old, they are ****in work horses. Plus every club i've ever DJ'd in has had Technics.
Theres only one choice if you plan to play out, the others might have loads of fancy dan features, but what use are they to you stuck at home in your bedroom when you're at the club on a set of 1210s?
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