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__CMC__
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Posted - 2007/08/18 : 14:35:48

Yes E can kill but in reality what is the chances?

In the UK there has been very little deaths from E in the numerous years it has been here.

In comparison to drinking and smoking it is alot safer, the amount of deeaths to the amount that is taken every week is nothing!

I don't take them anymore but i believe they are safe

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2159470.stm

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More than 40 people suffered Ecstasy-related deaths in 2001, compared to 20 deaths during 2000, according to the research led by consultant psychiatrist Dr Fabrizio Schifano.

There were 17 deaths in 1999 and 11 in 1998.

Now you tell me how many pills do you think are taken every week? You have a higher chance of been knock down and killed by a OAP driving her mobility scooter

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http://www.canedintotnes.co.uk/ecstasy

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Deaths from ecstasy use have been widely reported in the media, even of first time users. According to the UK's Police Foundation, who made a thorough evaluation risk, 'although deaths from ecstasy are highly publicised, it probably kills fewer than 10 people each year, which though deeply distressing for the surviving relatives and friends, is a small percentage of the many thousands of people who use it each week'. It's not always clear what killed these unfortunate few, although the vast majority of deaths are caused by dehydration. This is because people on ecstasy dance for hours and are too high to realise they need to drink water to replace lost fluids and cool down. More than half of all ecstasy related deaths also involve other drugs, the most common being alcohol, so far there is no clear case of death actually caused by MDMA, except for the case of an unfortunate dog that died shortly after being given a massive amount of MDMA. Having said that, very high doses of MDMA in some people may cause serotonin overload, which can be fatal. This suggests it would be exceedingly unwise to take MDMA with an antidepressant that breaks down serotonin.

Thats just 2 min on google if i had more time i would get more info, seriously the goverment and media have brainwashed people in to believe E is alot more dangerous than it really is. I am not saying there is no long term effects but this cant be answered now any info you produce on that there is more info to contridict it, as yet no one can be 100% sure about the long term effects. 1 thing that i am 100% sure of is that the chances of dying after taken E are very very slim infact almost non exsistint!

I have swallow several at once and 1 nighjt at a party my friend (pure ehead) manged to do 27 triangle mitso's (these were the best of the shit that has been about in the last 7-8 years).
Did he die, no. Felt like shit the next day but after that he was fine!

Anyway to end my rant i will refer you to the previous post i made - E is overrated!

MDMA is what the cool kids are doing:P

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Edited by - __CMC__ on 2007/08/18 14:51:29

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Posted - 2007/08/18 : 14:55:48

quote:
Originally posted by __CMC__:
In comparison to drinking and smoking it is alot safer, the amount of deeaths to the amount that is taken every week is nothing!

That is crap. I've smoked everyday, for over a decade, and i'm still alive. Try doing the same with E. I remember when i was younger, people used to say amphetamine, E, and all other "milder" drugs are safe. Didnt take many years, no education, no job, in rehab and out, overdoses, involved in other crimes etc. I have 1 friend that has had the ability to keep hes drug use mostly under control.

If someone asks what are the side effects, and people say its safe, that is complete ********. What if that guy OD's the next weekend 'cause it was supposed to be safe. Are you willing to take the responsibility for it?

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If you use the same logic, then smoking and drinking has never killed anyone.

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Edited by - whispering on 2007/08/18 15:02:59

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Posted - 2007/08/18 : 15:02:29

whispering, u better stop, smoking can get you in the long run

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Posted - 2007/08/18 : 15:07:15

quote:
Originally posted by _nova_:
whispering, u better stop, smoking can get you in the long run

I know that, if i could go back, i would have never started. Now, its just too hard to quit, i still try every now and then.

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Edited by - whispering on 2007/08/18 15:08:07

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Posted - 2007/08/18 : 15:09:58

tried the patches, gum etc?

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Posted - 2007/08/18 : 15:21:31

i think we should all stop talkin bout drugs & start talkin bout the music?

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DarrenJ
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Posted - 2007/08/18 : 15:52:03

check this out:
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22267785-5001028,00.html

Freakin girl died from OD on extacy while....... Fishing lol

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Edited by - DarrenJ on 2007/08/18 15:52:34

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Posted - 2007/08/18 : 16:05:41

so maybe now people will get off the rave scenes back about drugs & "tackle" the problem where it realy lies....on the fishermen? haha!

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Edited by - jimbob squarepants on 2007/08/18 16:11:54

__CMC__
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Posted - 2007/08/18 : 17:07:27

quote:
Originally posted by whispering:
That is crap. I've smoked everyday, for over a decade, and i'm still alive. Try doing the same with E. I remember when i was younger, people used to say amphetamine, E, and all other "milder" drugs are safe. Didnt take many years, no education, no job, in rehab and out, overdoses, involved in other crimes etc. I have 1 friend that has had the ability to keep hes drug use mostly under control.

Yet i've been taking drugs since i was 13, yet i have no prevouis convictions, got good qualifications at scool, done higher eductaion and now i am working in a job that is high paid for my age (i am 25 and earning £30000+ which can only go up:))

Just cause you take drugs doesn't mean thing like that aint possible!

Next point why would i need to take responsibilty if someone OD? I have never claimed it is safe but i have claimed it is alot safer than the media or goverment say it is! Would i need to take responsibilty for that? NO, why cause that is a known fact and if needed i can produce evidence to prove that!

Check the web their is various reports been done on this, all from various organization and they have all drew the same conclusions!

The main concern about E is the long term effects, and as yet no one know what these may be! There has been many reports published (check the web) none have ever been able to give conclusive results. Why? simply no one know.

Search google and various places, they estimate that in the Uk alone that 750000 pills are taken every week so with that number and the amount of deaths due to E in the Uk simple maths would tell you that the odds of you dying from taking E is very slim.

By no means am i recommending you take drugs but if you will take drugs at least educate yourself on them!

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Posted - 2007/08/18 : 17:44:43

Ecstacy is as safe as you make it.

I have a bunch of raver friends and we're all very cautious about what we do. Every time someone is on ecstacy theres always one in the group that isnt (the voice of reason lol) and everyone is always watching each other to make sure we're dirnking enough, taking breaks and such, not doing anything stupid and this has been going on for years and not a single one of us has even had a remotely bad experience. If you know what you're getting and take the proper precautions then you'll be fine. SO many of those stories you hear are about unpure ecstacy thats laced with something else like pma or dxm and THATS what ****s you up. And people doing stupid shit like candy flipping. If ecstacy was meant to be like lsd then it would be, mixing drugs is a BAD idea.

Im not condoning drug use or anything but face facts, people WILL try it. And i think getting around the problem of the danger of it all is to know what to do to STOP yourself having a bad experience.

You drink too much; you get sick. You drink WAY too much and you get REALLY sick.
too many pills; youll get sick. Way too many pills and youll get REALLY sick.

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Posted - 2007/08/18 : 18:13:55

quote:
Originally posted by __CMC__:
Next point why would i need to take responsibilty if someone OD? I have never claimed it is safe but i have claimed it is alot safer than the media or goverment say it is!

Not once have i said the governments side of the story is truthful or what i believe is truthful. What i am and have been saying is that you can die from ecstacy, it is not a "safe" drug. There is no such thing. And that is what i am against at, i have seen way too many people say its safe, safer then alcohol or whatever. Like you said there isnt any scientific facts (mainly due to its illegality), but people have died from it. It is a possibility. When the possibility is as final as death, its something that needs to be said. I bet the fisher girl thought that could never happen, and because of that wasnt cautious enough. Influx pretty much has it spot on, they know and acknowledge the risks, and try to minimize them when they use.

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Originally posted by _nova_:
tried the patches, gum etc?

I've tryed gum and inhalator. Inhalator is pretty much the best thing after cigarettes when it comes to nicotine. The down side (and its ment to be like that) is that when you smoke you get instant "high" from the nicotine, gum, inhalator etc work much more slow. It kind of tryes to make you get rid of the habbit, with out the side effects. But after few days, i just become so restless that it becomes too hard to continue.

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Edited by - whispering on 2007/08/18 18:17:32

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Posted - 2007/08/19 : 13:02:01

quote:
Originally posted by whispering:
Give me any profe that any of those are untrue and i will withdraw my statement. The fact is the side effects on E can kill you.

I know someone who's died from taking ecstasy, but I still maintain that people only die on it because they are either allergic, don't know what they're doing, or are just going daft on them - which is true for most things. From the 90's till present, every impartial study that comes out seems to indicate that proper MDMA ecstasy is less dangerous that people thought, the brain damage myth has already been debunked. I've honestly never heard of an ecstasy death that can't be attributed the user rather than the drug itself, it's as safe as you make it like someone has already said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6474053.stm

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Posted - 2007/08/19 : 14:21:52

quote:
Originally posted by jenks:

quote:
Originally posted by whispering:
Give me any profe that any of those are untrue and i will withdraw my statement. The fact is the side effects on E can kill you.

I know someone who's died from taking ecstasy, but I still maintain that people only die on it because they are either allergic, don't know what they're doing, or are just going daft on them - which is true for most things. From the 90's till present, every impartial study that comes out seems to indicate that proper MDMA ecstasy is less dangerous that people thought, the brain damage myth has already been debunked. I've honestly never heard of an ecstasy death that can't be attributed the user rather than the drug itself, it's as safe as you make it like someone has already said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6474053.stm

Too true! Pure MDMA is very safe indeed, as for overdosing etc, well that's just common sense, in the same way that you look where your going when you walk down the stairs.
You wouldn't blame someone being an idiot and then dying from falling down the stairs on the stairs would you? You would blame the irresponsible person. Drugs are not any different.
It's just that because they are illegal, the media can say all sorts of bollocks about them and no one can do anything about it, and people beleive it.
All these deaths you hear about are isolated incidences highlighted by the media, and because drugs are illegal as i say, no one can really dispute it.
If you are going to go by the logic that drugs and evil and kill lots of people, then you may want to concentrate on alchahol, because i think that kills around 80 000 people worldwide a year, and if you chose to look into it you could find the same isolated incedences and more than you do with drugs. But, no one questions that alchohol is safe because the media says so, and, the fact that it's legal apparantly makes it ok too.
So if you then start saying about how drugs are bad, and also drink and claim that it is ok, then you are saying so out of being completely biased against drugs.

Alchahol isn't going to kill you if you drink it just once, that is true, but it can and does kill people when they are irresponsible and drink too much. It is no diferent with drugs, responsible people never have problems, it is only the few idiots that do and then their cases are highlighted and portrayed as if that is what happens to everyone who takes drug. It is not, in the same way that people who drink don't die either when responsible.

Your probably going to say that i am biased and defending drugs as a result of that, and that is true, however i say what i say within reason and have facts to back it up. Most people preaching about the negativites of drugs do not, and indeed have never even taken any drugs, which puts them in even loss of a position to comment, because it's quite evident that their opinion is based on nothing other than what the media has told them.
I know many drug users, all more intelligent than the people who speak out against drugs (in a completely biased manner) they don't have problems, and they never will, because they are responsible and it is as simple as that.

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Posted - 2007/08/19 : 14:56:58

^^^some good points there!

Also i would like to add that if alcohol had never been discovered before now there is no doubt that that would be illegal

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pdfdir/aldeaths1106.pdf

It states there that in 2005 there was 8386 alcohol related deaths in the UK, if the goverment wasn't making such a obscene amount of money from the sale of drink there is no way it would be legal.

The same would also apply to smoking!

In my experience all those that speak out against have little or no knowledge about the subject and just talk shit similar to what the media and goverment say! Then when presented with the facts they either refuse to believe or they start spurting crap about how drugs are illegal!

Some of you will have heard the saying "drugs are for mugs" well i am a tea pot:)

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