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eddiewould
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 Posted - 2007/09/04 : 22:43:11
Just wondering why more Hardcore isn't released on CD.
- You can professionally print the surface of CDs reasonably cheaply
- The sound quality is (debatably) better than that of MP3
- You have something cool and shiny to hold onto and remember, sorta like a Vinyl
I guess the disadvantages are:
- There is shipping cost (even if it is much less than vinyl)
- People don't want to wait for shipping time
- It increases costs a bit (media, duplication, printing)
People out there:
What would you pay for a hardcore single (A and AA) on a professional looking CD with artwork similar to that of a vinyl release?
Perhaps as a second best, labels could produce artwork suitable for printing onto a CDR for their releases?
What would you pay for artwork to go with a digital release? (Say, artwork that closely matches the vinyl release)?
This is an example of what I mean:
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Audio X
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Posted - 2007/09/04 : 22:55:43
I'll be doing CD releases in the very near future. ;)
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Jax
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Posted - 2007/09/04 : 22:59:34
I think it would be great for hardcore if they followed what psy trance do and release unmixed albums
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Leto
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Posted - 2007/09/04 : 23:30:35
Yeah...I think that the problem here is with major record labels like Next Gen and Raverbaby and Evolution releasing tunes only on vinyl. If they decided to do more CD's or mp3's I think we'd see the rest of the hardcore scene follow suit.
Because, in all honesty there are a fair bit of labels that are doing CD releases....
I can think of Kniteforce, Ravin Phantasy, Addictive, Electronica Exposed...annnnnd....that's all, oh Aural Sex recordings of course. ;)
I just think that it's not really mainstream...so, to answer your question. I'm not sure why.
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CDJay
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Posted - 2007/09/05 : 02:44:03
Very few people will actually buy CD "single" releases, IMO.
The tact I took ( a long time ago, granted ) was to do a mini unmixed album. You know, 12 tracks, some alternate mixes/remixes with a smattering of exclusives.
It's still a relatively small market, even then, but more appealing and better value.
I'll be doing RFUCD002, later this year, if anyone's interested......
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Leto
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Posted - 2007/09/05 : 02:47:36
I own RFUCD001, and of course I'm interested in the next step in Climactic Moments.
I enjoyed the Introduction so much.
These un-mixed CD's like An Introduction to Climactic Moments, and the Kniteforce CDs are much more logical and practical than selling singles as CD's, as CDJay so wisely mentioned.
Plus, it's an even bigger cool factor if the CD's have goodies and stuff. :D
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silver
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Posted - 2007/09/05 : 04:09:22
Hardcore sort of skipped CD releases and went to downloads, I dont think anyone will do CD's because if downloads per track sell so little (with no shipping) why would you press CD's?
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eddiewould
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Posted - 2007/09/05 : 05:35:41
Well I wonder if there is a market for (digital) artwork to go with digital downloads?
Something that you can print onto writable-surface CDRs?
Like I print labels for all my releases I buy as digital downloads:
I think you'll agree they look better than a silver Imation CD with some scrawling in felt tip, but as you can see, I'm no artist/graphic designer. Still, these only took 5 minutes to design, max.
I'm sure someone with talent could make good looking artwork which could be sold as part of the release - I'd be happy to pay say NZ $6 for typical release (usually NZ $4.5) if it came with cool artwork I could print onto the CD.
Perhaps more reasonable would be $11 for two releases and artwork.
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2007/09/05 : 09:05:26
When I finally have to hand in my decks and move over to CDJ's I would MUCH rather be buying CD releases! I hate buying files.
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__CMC__
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Posted - 2007/09/05 : 09:32:51
CD would be my prefered media! If i can't get it on cd i will try get it as an uncompressed file (wav/aiff) if i cant get that i will buy the vinyl and rip it!
I have paid for very few mp3's (think it was £15 worth of credits from IMO) but a few months back i decided enough was enough, i will never pay for another mp3
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Samination
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Posted - 2007/09/05 : 22:13:35
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
Very few people will actually buy CD "single" releases, IMO.
The tact I took ( a long time ago, granted ) was to do a mini unmixed album. You know, 12 tracks, some alternate mixes/remixes with a smattering of exclusives.
It's still a relatively small market, even then, but more appealing and better value.
I'll be doing RFUCD002, later this year, if anyone's interested......
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Jax
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Posted - 2007/09/05 : 22:22:39
quote:
Originally posted by silver:
Hardcore sort of skipped CD releases and went to downloads, I dont think anyone will do CD's because if downloads per track sell so little (with no shipping) why would you press CD's?
cause for one track on a cd it costs nearly as much as a vinyl once delivered, but if you get an album with a lot of tracks / remixes on its a lot more cost effective
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Pope C XXIII
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Posted - 2007/09/05 : 22:31:21
CD mixing would've been the next thing to happen if mp3s didn't come along before CD decks really took off. The sound quality isn't any better than a wav or 320 bought off of Beatport (although there is supposedly a difference in sub depth with 320s, but it certainly isn't noticable on home systems), and it's still too much of an inconvenience to compete with filesharing. As an industry, EDM needs to appeal to the home listener, not just DJs, and even if DJs tend to want to buy physical copies of their music and have higher than mp3 quality, the home listener isn't.
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2007/09/06 : 12:46:19
It actually quite angers me sometimes to think about how much people want from the scene, without giving much in return.
Think about it. Vinyl used to be fine. Nobody complained. Everyone loved it. Would gladly pay the money for it. Then something happened. Nobody wanted to pay Aus$20 for 2 tracks anymore on a vinyl. People start complaining "hardcore is too expensive" blah blah blah. Nowdays people want to pay $1 for each track or maybe $2 if its a good track. I can understand the theory behind this, i really can, but it just doesnt work in practice.
I would understand if the scene wasnt underground. But it is. Its NOT a commercial scene. No matter what anyone says about "hardcore is going commercial" and ******** like that. Why is it going commercial? Because its selling lots of albums? Pft, show me the income being generated from this "going commercial" scene and ill believe you.
In my opinion Hardcore is going to die again. It may not happen in the next 2 years, or 5 years, but i can promise you it will happen IF the modern day attitude of "vinyl is too expensive" continues to thrive. For an underground scene you can't expect Hardcore to get cheaper and have the producers make less money, THEN get all agro and mad because 'it all sounds the same' and you're 'getting bored of it'. What incentive do producers have to put more time and effort into doing what they do, to make even LESS money? Even though its not about the money, look at it froma different perspective. Basically you're sending the message that "your work isnt worth $aus20, its only worth Aus$2" and then continue to say "but lift the standard or im not going to buy it at all" come on i mean fair enough if your willing to pay more for better tracks but your not.
People jsut expect too much. Put more work into it. Make it cheaper. DO something different. make it revolutionary. How can you honestly expect someone to work so hard at something like that when youve basically just told them that "your work isnt worth the same as it was a few years ago".
Obviously im not speaking to everyone here. But we all know someone who is like this. And honestly just releasing mp3s is just going to increase piracy. It makes it incredibly easier for someone to pay so little, and just use the file they downloaded and share it.
Seriously in my opinion, because of piracy and the high expectations of the ravers nowdays Hardcore isnt going to be able to sustain itself forever. Something is going to have to change.
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Fluffbomb
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Posted - 2007/09/06 : 13:12:01
I've picked up all the Kniteforce Past Present & Future CDs as its been the most cost effective way of getting the latest Kniteforce releases (each one tends to be tracks from the last 2 or 3 12") plus there are some bonus stuff like extra tracks, mixes, wallpaper and samples. Other labels should follow this example!
Long before I got my turntables (and long before CDJs) I did pick up some Happycore CD singles but they tended to be tracks that were expected to be big sellers ('Now Is The Time', United Dance Recordings etc).
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kreatrix
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Posted - 2007/09/08 : 00:41:10
My label (Kreatrix Evilution) put the mp3 releases on pause and we're focusing on Cd releases as well (full albums of unreleased stuff). We just released Kreatrix Compilation Vol2, a few weeks ago. 11 unmixed tracks in mastered wav.
I would think as a costumer, an unmixed cd is much more bang for your buck than buying 11 wavs (if even available). Plus you get something physical in your hand, with nice artwork and you wont have to trouble yourself with burning a cd.
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