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novaboy
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 Posted - 2007/09/15 : 04:06:43
Hi there,
Me again. Im trying very hard to get the kickdrum used the 'hard as fock' mix of sailaway. It's getting very difficult and impossible maybe!
Could anyone help me out here?
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Lilley
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Posted - 2007/09/15 : 07:08:36
if its been done i highly doubt its impossible to do it
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nearly in line....
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novaboy
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Posted - 2007/09/15 : 07:11:37
well, it could of been sampled or something, maybe they didnt make it. some really really good guy did. but i meant its almost impossible for me, because i have been trying for a while.
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2007/09/16 : 09:26:19
wow you wanna make an identical kick drum to that track?
well... good luck. I wouldnt get your hopes up.
IF it was an original then your definitely not going to be able to re-create it... you may get something like it but not the same.
IF it was sampled then it was layered... theres literally thousands of options here.
I wouldnt put too much effort into this.... I wouldnt even know where to start to copy a kick drum :S
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novaboy
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Posted - 2007/09/16 : 10:15:10
i can make kickdrums well, with punch now too, goa ones, psy ones, low ones. but this is very hard..
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djx-treme
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 11:06:02
Dude, there is no need to make absolutely IDENTICAL kick. Each kick will sound DIFFERENTLY in different mixes. So you can found/synth similar kick, but you will definitely need to adjust it in your own mix (using EQ, compression, distortion etc.).
Try to make your own unique sound!
P.S. This is appliable to all other sounds - leads, pads, basses, even hihats and percussions!
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novaboy
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 11:24:24
ty :)
cool russia :D
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 12:27:39
From the thread title i thought you were needing a new pipeline:P was just away to offer my services:)
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novaboy
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 13:50:42
lol
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Sk8SiM
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 20:01:49
quote:
Originally posted by _nova_:
Hi there,
Me again. Im trying very hard to get the kickdrum used the 'hard as fock' mix of sailaway. It's getting very difficult and impossible maybe!
Could anyone help me out here?
Tell Me What Software you using? And then I may be able to help...
The energy of the kick from that track doesn't just come from the kick... the bass has something to do with it too ;) After all kick and bass share the same energy in almost all tracks.
Low end is a funny thing - kick drum & bass can sometimes jump into bed with each other [interchange - if you like] and course interesting sounds!
What sets that kick apart from most is a term used a lot in the studio environment! - "UMPTH!"
To gain "UMPTH" a few pointers would be!
Your Attack within the compression
Your "Q" Within a Filter
And Very VERY Fine EQ!
Here’s A Few Examples For You [A 5 Min Mash up in FL Studio]
Here’s the original Kick [That FL throws at you when you first start (its shite!)]
http://www.freewebs.com/sk8simhardcore/Clean%5FKick.mp3
^^^ Nothing really Interesting there then… so lets start with some engineering:
First I’m going to put a Hi Pass Filter over it set to 63hz - With a notch up of the "Q"
As well as that I’m going to add some Compression with the following properties:
Threshold of -16db
Ratio 7.5
Gain 8.9
Attack 61.9
Release 75m [important: in till the release is turned down, you won't here must results from the attack (for something with such a small release like a kick drum anyways)]
Note: Compression is important on a kick drum within dance music, as if the kick isn’t the loudest element of your mix when you go record… then your going to have problems when it comes to the Master!
Note: ALWAYS cut frequencies below 20Hz – Humans can’t hear them but physics can – meaning it doesn’t do your speakers/monitors any good and it courses acoustics and/or vibrations that we don’t want.
Here’s what it sounds like now:
http://www.freewebs.com/sk8simhardcore/Wet%5FKick.mp3
Now what we do is we layer the same kick in a separate channel, and put a tiny bit of overdrive over it to get that "gabba" feel! - Then we turn it down abit so that it doesn't dominate the sound but instead creates ambience to the FX.
Here’s what it sounds like now!
http://www.freewebs.com/sk8simhardcore/Wet%5FLayered%5FKick.mp3
Now - it doesn't sound there yet does it?
Well... not to worry… remember what I said about kick and bass being bum buddies?
I Won't go into detail into what I’m going to do to the bass... all I’ll say is it needs to be PHAT! and have a near release to the kick...
Here’s what it sounds like now?
http://www.freewebs.com/sk8simhardcore/Wet%5FLayered%5FKick%5Fwith%5FPHAT%5FBass.mp3
Starting to make progress?
Well – here’s the sound with some more fancy stuff!
http://www.freewebs.com/sk8simhardcore/All%5FTogether%5FNow.mp3
There you go ^^^^
Ofcource with a bit more work it would be spot on.. but this is only a very quick example and I haven’t got time to touch up every little detail and spend all night in getting the same sound...
Because lets be honest - WHO WHATS THE SAME SOUND! - its alright being close... but we can't all going around copying each other now can we 
Hope this helps!
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 21:27:46
Sounds like a plan. :D
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novaboy
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Posted - 2007/09/19 : 06:56:47
thanks so much sk8sim!
most people wouldnt be bothered going to that much effort ot help people out, nw i know quite a bit more, thanks!
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