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Navarone
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 Posted - 2007/09/29 : 05:34:15
Ok, so I am very interested in producing some techno, I am a logn time fan of it, and have always wanted to, but never had the resources etc.
I am just curious what I would need to get me started, software, hardware, those types of things. My friend told me Id need a MIDI controller or something? but I dont know where to look or if different ones are better for different genres of techno. I myself want to stay away from hip-hop sounding stuff, more trance, or DnB, or hardcore style techno. But once again, no clue where to begin. Im guessing Ill need software, itll have to be compatible with Vista...and then some Devices that I plug into the computer too prolly?
Any input is HIGHLY appreciated!
Thanks in advance.
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Posted - 2007/09/29 : 09:43:20
ok.
For software, i recommend getting Cubase SX 4 if you want to look at it as a profession, it is industry standard, although cubase is very hard to learn. hardware is a waste of money imo, you have shit that can emulate it, like synths etc. You CAN get a MIDI keyboard, but you dont really need to, its good to learn about scales and melodies with a keyboard though. Theres not really any need to get devices or anything like that, although its up to you. What do you mean by Techno? Alot of people incorrectly label 'Techno'.. Happy Hardcore isnt even a sub genre of techno, well, it was apparently, but in my opinion it doesnt sound like it. A good example of techno is the 'Ear Strain EP' by Alex Bau. What type of music were you looking to produce?
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Posted - 2007/09/29 : 12:57:46
You dont really need hardware these days... software has gotten to such a point where it is just as good, if not better than most hardware. Plus it takes up less room and is a lot cheaper.
Firstly youll wanna look at getting a sequencer. Cubase is the industry standard nowdays but there are other sequencers that are just as good. Cubase, Logic and Fl Studio (Only the later versions) are all good, it mostly just comes down to personal taste of the layout and what not. Cubase is kind of like a blank canvas where you can cut and paste anything anywhere, giving you a lot of freedom. Fl studio is pattern based. Theyll both get the job done but Fl studio is a lot easier to learn. A LOT easier to learn. Ive never used logic but ive hear dits good. My recommendation would be to grab a demo of all of them and see which one you like the most.
Once youve done that you need synthesizers. Z3ta+ is spoken really highly of and you can do just about anything with it. Theres also V-station, Vanguard etc.
Once youve got that youll probably wanna look into some samples. Vengeance CD packs are really popular - for good reason, the samples are about as good as you'll get.
After that you're pretty much set up to start producing. That'll all keep you going for a long time until you start improving a lot. Then you'll need to look into extra software compressors, reverb, delay distortion and stuff like that. No need to worry about it now though.
My best advice is to just grab a sequencer and chuck yourself in the deep end. Its the best way to learn.
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Navarone
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Posted - 2007/09/29 : 15:21:36
Ok, I have a program called Sonar Home Sutdio 4, Ive had it for a while, but never used it...is it the same thing or should I just forget about it and go for one of the ones you guys suggessted? and Ill get back to you on the type of music I want to make, I dont have time right now. thnx.
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Posted - 2007/09/29 : 16:08:09
ive never heard of it, chances are its shit. i wouldnt waste time on it.
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2007/09/29 : 19:20:55
yeah thing is you really want something you KNOW will work.
Ive never heard of that... so id grab a demo of logic, cubase and fl studio and see which one you like.
Regardless of what music you want to produce if its any type of hardcore, hard dance, techno or trance those vsts will be fine.
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Posted - 2007/09/30 : 23:12:05
you never heard of Cakewalk Sonar ??? damn it's a good piece of kit, heard some cracking reviews about Sonar 6 !!!
have a play with your sonar 4 to see what it can do before shelling out any money. if it doesn't work for you i'd suggest getting Fruity loops 7 if your a beginner, lot easier to pick up & use, then move on to the more expensive sequensers like cakewalk, reason or cubase when you know you enjoy what your making, if you need to move on that is.
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Posted - 2007/10/01 : 03:23:28
fl studio is actually quite hard to get the hang of, and it has a unique sequencer which is more pattern based.
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Posted - 2007/10/01 : 06:13:02
Its hard to get the hang of but anything is when you first start.
Im about 1/8 of the way writing a beginner's complete tutorial to Fl studio which im gonna put on a website.
It covers everything and its currently 36 pages long and growing. Also going to be forums For production and specifically for fl studio.
Good idea or not?
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Posted - 2007/10/01 : 06:23:10
good idea I think.
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Posted - 2007/10/01 : 15:39:09
i wish beginners would use the F1 key a little more, half the stuff they ask about is simple
shouldn't need to write tutorials for the easy stuff, it's all in the first pages of the manual
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Posted - 2007/10/01 : 18:47:12
yeah but in actuality the F1 key doesnt tell you how to do something specifically for what effect you want, and it doesnt tell you in LAMENS terms what everything does. Most of the time it uses terminology that people might not know.
For instance my introduction to FL shows what everything is in lamens terms and tells you what it does and how to get there as for options, whether its recommended to have them on or off. It also has a link with each feature to a seperate in-depth tutorial on the specific feature, with a link from that to an advanced tutorial on that specific feature.
Of course, theres diagrams.
But hopefully this will help a lot of people who are new grab a copy of FL, take my guide and learn their way around fl in one sitting from one guide and itll stop frustration from the people trying to learn coz its a step-by-step tutorial, and itll stop frustration from people having to answer those kinds of questions. Also i think it will attract more producers to the scene because learning a sequencer wont seem like such a daunting task anymore.
In turn, more producers = more ideas = more hardcore = more help for other people.
I thought it would be a really good thing to do for the scene in general.... Isnt it?
Tell me if you hate the idea because im not putting in hours upon hours of work if ppl think its a shit idea.
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Posted - 2007/10/01 : 20:03:24
Cakewalk Sonar is a good piece of kit, dont chuck it yet.
Cubase, Reason, FL Studio all produce excellent stuff, but im sick of hearing how one is better than the other.
They all can produce exactly the same sound. Ive used them all and ive not noticed one producing better sound than the other.
As for hardware, you are going to need a pretty good soundcard, and CPU with some RAM to really take advantage of the sequencers. Midi keyboards are a good add on as well, but only if you really know how to play one and / or know the controls.
What you really need is to try the demos of the various sequencers, find out which one you like the most, and then move onto the full version. Be prepared to fork out a few quid for one though, they arent cheap. But one thing I will say, is when you buy one, you do get you moneys worth. Doesnt really matter which one, they all come packed to the gills with features to help you produce.
When you start producing, remember, everyone had to start somewhere. There are plenty of sites to help you learn, and DVD tutorials, etc. Start small and work your way up. Remember, you 1st track will be the one you are most proud of, if you do decide to post a link here or somewhere like musicproduction.com or whatever its link is, you will get critised. Dont take it to heart. People will advise you, others will commend you, those who say something is crap need a slap tbh. You will quickly learn and eventually start to make good music. Enjoy producing, as it really is fun, and when you do export that final mp3, you will feel good inside. Its a lot of hard work and effort, but believe, its worth it.
The other thing id mention is, a lot of people produce music and then expect to get on a label. Dont let this rule your production. Not everyone will make it onto a label, and that really isnt important. You make music for you to enjoy, if it gets picked up, then thats a bonus. You will get idiots who think they are a cut above, just because they are on a label, but ignore them, they are the self centred arrogant wankers that enjoy puttin people down.
Whatever you decide, enjoy yourself, and most of all, enjoy your own work.
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Posted - 2007/10/01 : 20:08:04
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Originally posted by Influx:
You dont really need hardware these days... software has gotten to such a point where it is just as good, if not better than most hardware. Plus it takes up less room and is a lot cheaper.
Firstly youll wanna look at getting a sequencer. Cubase is the industry standard nowdays but there are other sequencers that are just as good. Cubase, Logic and Fl Studio (Only the later versions) are all good, it mostly just comes down to personal taste of the layout and what not. Cubase is kind of like a blank canvas where you can cut and paste anything anywhere, giving you a lot of freedom. Fl studio is pattern based. Theyll both get the job done but Fl studio is a lot easier to learn. A LOT easier to learn. Ive never used logic but ive hear dits good. My recommendation would be to grab a demo of all of them and see which one you like the most.
Once youve done that you need synthesizers. Z3ta+ is spoken really highly of and you can do just about anything with it. Theres also V-station, Vanguard etc.
Once youve got that youll probably wanna look into some samples. Vengeance CD packs are really popular - for good reason, the samples are about as good as you'll get.
After that you're pretty much set up to start producing. That'll all keep you going for a long time until you start improving a lot. Then you'll need to look into extra software compressors, reverb, delay distortion and stuff like that. No need to worry about it now though.
My best advice is to just grab a sequencer and chuck yourself in the deep end. Its the best way to learn.
Sorry for the double post but I cba trying to cram this all in one.
Regarding the Vengeance packs, is this what you mean ?
http://www.mutekki.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=23_32&osCsid=ed90b4357ee8bb59a712edcf628b83b2
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Posted - 2007/10/01 : 21:24:43
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Originally posted by LeVzi:
Regarding the Vengeance packs, is this what you mean ?
http://www.mutekki.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=23_32&osCsid=ed90b4357ee8bb59a712edcf628b83b2
these Vengeance sample cd's are awesome, a must have if your serious about producing.
nice link LeVzi.
oh & @ influx, go for it man it's a great idea
& before i forget, if you wanna produce & your the sort of person that needs to SEE whats going on don't forget youtube, theres loads of tutorials on there for each of the sequensers mentioned
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Posted - 2007/10/01 : 22:16:04
Im happy more n more n more people are gettin into producing. Cos tbh, making music is all about different minds doing different things.
All those minds thinking of new stuff, and then the countless remixes. Im not having a dig, im serious. Its how the scene survives.
I hope more people get into Producing and arent scared to go their own way.
And hopefully more n more labels will result digital or traditional and that way you have a healthy hardcore scene for many many years to come.
Not like the way it almost died in the late 90's thanks to a few "top rated" pricks who wanted to change the world.
Ya gotta love youchoob :)
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