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Vitalism
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 Posted - 2007/10/14 : 19:21:56
would someone be so kind as to explain what exactly a kick and a stab are?
based on context, the impression that i'm under is that
kick = beat
stab = ...melody/tune ...kinda thing?
so, am i way off base here?
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Pope C XXIII
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Posted - 2007/10/14 : 19:42:10
Close. A kick is a part of the beat. It's the bass drum, with all the punchy low end in it.
A stab is usually a part of the melody or tune, but it means a short burst of sound, usually a chord. A rave stab is either a small sample of an orchestra chord (heavily pitched up or down) or a small sample of an old synthesizer, often times an alpha juno 2 (which gave the infamous hoover sound.) In the end though, the term is used for pretty much any "ravey" sound, really.
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Vitalism
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Posted - 2007/10/15 : 01:47:03
cool. i've just been considering getting into producing lately, but don't really know the terms of the things i'd be asking about... and you can't really spell out certain sounds. "you know that un-ch-un-ch sound?" that's not gonna get you very far.
and if a kick is only the punch-sounding part, what is the more... treblely sounding part called? i'm thinking more in older hardcore, that kinda sped up breakbeaty type sound you don't hear all that much anymore.
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Posted - 2007/10/15 : 02:26:01
there's two basic types of hardcore, one being 4 beat kick lead (sometimes called 4 to the floor), other being breakbeat.
in a kickdrum led track, you're hear the kick go 1 2 3 4, 2 2 3 4, 3 2 3 4, 4 2 3 4.
in a breakbeat track, the kick will just be a part of the breakbeat, so it's 2 structurally different things. if you can learn to pick out what a kickdrum sounds like, you can listen to the breakbeat tracks and determine where the kick is. :)
to explain it a little better...
http://shop.happyhardcore.com/mp3/21943-b.mp3 this is vagabond - addiction, temptation. it's got a really strong kick. listen to that and see if you can pick out the punchy kick that you hear throughout. after a short while it goes into a breakdown and the kick is heard every 2 beats as opposed to every beat. you'll then hear vocals kick in, and then after the "get-get down" vocal sample, the kick goes back to the 1 2 3 4, 2 2 3 4 kick-led structure.
as for breakbeat
here's clsm feat ant johnson - sensory vision http://shop.happyhardcore.com/mp3/22537-a.mp3
this is more breakbeaty, but you should be able to pick out the kick there, and hopefully see the difference in the basic structure between a breakbeat and kickdrum led track! :)
hopefully this makes sense, i'd be glad to clarify anything... though i'm no producer, as i'm pretty shit with every program out there and have no patience (or time...) to begin producing.
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Posted - 2007/10/15 : 03:02:49
Hmm, it's really hard to tell what you mean without an audio sample, but I'm guessing you're talking about the high passed amen common in oldschool happy hardcore and bouncy techno.
Just because I'm a nice guy, here's some audio to help you out.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KWEEYE5S
Need any more defining and I'd be glad to help.
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Posted - 2007/10/15 : 03:37:52
it is the high passed amen that i was talking about.
how did something like that get the name of "amen" ? i'm lost on that one.
and yeah, that definitely cleared everything up. thanks.
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Leto
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Posted - 2007/10/15 : 03:57:59
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Originally posted by alex_e:
it is the high passed amen that i was talking about.
how did something like that get the name of "amen" ? i'm lost on that one.
and yeah, that definitely cleared everything up. thanks.
Comes from the fact that it's called an Amen break. I suppose it's just the name for the style of break that it's sampling. Another one would be the Apache break.
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Meph751
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Posted - 2007/10/15 : 04:21:33
it's called that because it comes from a song called "amen, brother," which was released over 40 years ago. :)
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Posted - 2007/10/15 : 08:27:12
think of it like this:
Kick with your foot.
(as in kick drum)
Stab with a knife
(a sound that stabs) Like a hoover.
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Posted - 2007/10/15 : 09:25:04
what is a hoover?
im pretty sure they are also what you brits n yanks call vacuum cleaners but i doubt that is what you are referring to
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Posted - 2007/10/15 : 09:32:03
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Originally posted by Lilley:
what is a hoover?
im pretty sure they are also what you brits n yanks call vacuum cleaners but i doubt that is what you are referring to
It's a sound that kinda slides through pitches... Is hard to explain. Used in lots of Oldskool Hardcore and UK Hard House.
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Smoogie
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 Posted - 2007/10/15 : 11:49:28
Any samples of 'the hoover'? I proberly know it when I hear it lol
Oh and a hoover was the name of a vacuum cleaner which was well known at the time and so alot of people called vacuums hoovers! It is a uk thing I thing so when this 'hoover' sound came on the scene it sounded like a vacuum I supose but as vacuums were also called hoovers the sound became a 'hoover'!!!
The hoover sound also has an article on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_sound
And the vacuum cleaner has a detailed history!: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_cleaner
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Posted - 2007/10/15 : 12:11:30
I'll make a clip with a hoover when I get time if someone doesn't post one sooner.
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Posted - 2007/10/16 : 00:49:53
check out the track called hoovers and horns on hardcore nation2 robbie long mix.
or
hoover time on tidy trax by Stimulant dj's
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Posted - 2007/10/16 : 03:53:52
quote:
Originally posted by Leto:
quote:
Originally posted by alex_e:
it is the high passed amen that i was talking about.
how did something like that get the name of "amen" ? i'm lost on that one.
and yeah, that definitely cleared everything up. thanks.
Comes from the fact that it's called an Amen break. I suppose it's just the name for the style of break that it's sampling. Another one would be the Apache break.
It's called the 'Amen' coz it's a drum loop originally sampled from a 60's tune called 'Amen Brother' :P
The hoover sound is a sound which originates from the Roland Alpah Juno 1/2. There is a preset on there called 'What the...'
And yeah its a sounded that has a pitch envelope on it. A true hoover can only be made with the Alpha Junos.
Example of the preset here (from a site i discovered): http://www.synthmania.com/Synthesizers/Roland/MKS-50/Audio/Factory%20Patches%20examples/B86%20What%20the.mp3
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Posted - 2007/10/17 : 20:17:16
A hoover for anyone still interested :P http://www.sendspace.com/file/6b7505
*edit* see ones already been posted...
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