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kreatrix
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 Posted - 2007/12/31 : 17:40:26
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Ottawa is a joke. its full of little haters that dont even follow or care for the global scene. They think theyre such hot shit that the world follows them er something. same crap in montreal and toronto. We get pretty much 0 support from our home towns which is rather ****ed up
Quebec City is the hot spot for hardcore in canada. its ironically the city that feels most european too.
Hardly, I can name at least two major rave promotion teams that book international talent at nearly every event they throw. I can also tell you I get MAJOR support from my "home town".
I play at 95% of raves in Ottawa. Ottawans even drive 2+ hours to come cheer when I play out of town - if that's not support I don't know what is.
Ottawa rocks.
1 : speak for yourself
2 :your a promoter. its your job to be loved.
canada doesnt really support the hardcore artists in theyre country.
EFM-7 gets plenty of love too.
That's already two hardcore artists from Ottawa. It's hardly just myself.
I might be a promoter but I haven't thrown an event since March yet I've been playing almost weekly so it clearly has no bearing on my bookings. It's not about being a promoter, although the fact that I know how to succesfully market an event also allows me to successfully market myself.
dont be naive pascal . you know how it works in ottawa.
ive made threads on ottawa, mtl and toronto boards for years and had little to 0 replies (thats right 0) on our releases. i did the same for ush , happy,hardcore, finrg.... theyre all loaded with support. why is that ?
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2008/01/15 : 18:34:04
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Originally posted by kreatrix:
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
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Originally posted by kreatrix:
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
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Originally posted by kreatrix:
Ottawa is a joke. its full of little haters that dont even follow or care for the global scene. They think theyre such hot shit that the world follows them er something. same crap in montreal and toronto. We get pretty much 0 support from our home towns which is rather ****ed up
Quebec City is the hot spot for hardcore in canada. its ironically the city that feels most european too.
Hardly, I can name at least two major rave promotion teams that book international talent at nearly every event they throw. I can also tell you I get MAJOR support from my "home town".
I play at 95% of raves in Ottawa. Ottawans even drive 2+ hours to come cheer when I play out of town - if that's not support I don't know what is.
Ottawa rocks.
1 : speak for yourself
2 :your a promoter. its your job to be loved.
canada doesnt really support the hardcore artists in theyre country.
EFM-7 gets plenty of love too.
That's already two hardcore artists from Ottawa. It's hardly just myself.
I might be a promoter but I haven't thrown an event since March yet I've been playing almost weekly so it clearly has no bearing on my bookings. It's not about being a promoter, although the fact that I know how to succesfully market an event also allows me to successfully market myself.
dont be naive pascal . you know how it works in ottawa.
ive made threads on ottawa, mtl and toronto boards for years and had little to 0 replies (thats right 0) on our releases. i did the same for ush , happy,hardcore, finrg.... theyre all loaded with support. why is that ?
1) because the style of music you produce and market isn't popular in Canada
2) because Canadian rave boards consists of people that aren't specifically interested in hardcore and even fewer, finnish freeform. They're general rave boards, not hardcore boards - it's evident there will be fewer hardcore heads.
3) because they might not care about or like what you post - I post plenty of hardcore related stuff and get plenty of feedback. I'm not insulting your stuff but there's different strokes for different folks and it's pretty clear that the UK is way more into freeform than Canada.
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kreatrix
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Posted - 2008/01/15 : 19:25:38
wtf are you blabling about . people just dont give a flying **** in canada. qc city is the only city in the coutry that opens their arms. all the major cities think theyre rulers of the genre.
when alek szahala came. it was ****in great and there was plenty of thread activity. funny huh ?
also funny that deckuf was packed when alek and kreatrix played too. and i think the flyers were late too for ott. but you know what. i think you know EVERYTHING about everything so whats the point eh superstar
Ps: we dont make finnish freeform. we are in DARK FREEFORM. and dont you tell me that no one likes freeform or lab4 style freeform in canada. you got acts that are doing something big in hardcore and you choose to ignore it. ya you really care about the talent in canada. you and i both know that its all about the small djs that make friends with everyone.
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2008/01/15 : 19:45:54
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wtf are you blabling about . people just dont give a flying **** in canada. qc city is the only city in the coutry that opens their arms. all the major cities think theyre rulers of the genre.
when alek szahala came. it was ****in great and there was plenty of thread activity. funny huh ?
also funny that deckuf was packed when alek and kreatrix played too. and i think the flyers were late too for ott. but you know what. i think you know EVERYTHING about everything so whats the point eh superstar
Ps: we dont make finnish freeform. we are in DARK FREEFORM. and dont you tell me that no one likes freeform or lab4 style freeform in canada. you got acts that are doing something big in hardcore and you choose to ignore it. ya you really care about the talent in canada. you and i both know that its all about the small djs that make friends with everyone.
Someone's mad? Why? I'm only being factual.
I personally like freeform. That doesn't change the fact most ravers in Ottawa don't care for it.
When Alek came the turnout was 1/5th of what the usual "monthly" raves get, without headliners. That pretty much says it all.
Mind you, I'd say that's the promoter's fault, not the artists. The marketing was terrible and he already had a bad reputation to begin with.
I gave possibilities that might explain why you're unhappy with the amount of feedback you get in your threads. It's pretty constructive: you don't think it makes sense that a general clubbing/raving/EDM board doesn't comment on freeform as much as a hardcore board?!
Small DJs that make friends with everyone? This is a friggin' never ending battle. Of course no promoter is gonna book an ******* they hate but being nice to people doesn't mean you pull bookings out of your ass. It has to do with draw and nothing other than draw.
The fact is that everyone knows 'Raver Raver Raver' in Ottawa. That's why EFM-7 has draw.
The fact is that everyone knows Emm in Ottawa. Mostly because he plays often, is consistently solid and promotes himself hard in many different ways. That's why he has draw.
The fact is that everyone knows who I am in Ottawa. I play often, handout hundreds of CDs at nearly every booking and market the shit out of myself.
What can I say? It's obvious why certain people get booked and others don't. Why would a promoter (=business man) pay the same price for someone that will attract a quarter of the people?
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kreatrix
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Posted - 2008/01/15 : 20:05:51
the promoter sucked but 100-150 peeps where at that show and last i checked . you made one party that hit over 300. thats not the new average champ. your such a ********ter. we all know it doesnt matter what plays , its all about they key people saying good things about it. if you put no effort in promoting a new thing in ottawa, it wont work. but if you actaully promote it like you would with your happyhardcore , it would be fine and youd make your stingy money.
tamerax is loved in ottawa and plays freeform. you can stop this popularity crap for thread activity. same goes for tyrant and who ever else. dont tell me freeform doesnt draw. ANYTHING DRAWs if you promote it but the main problem is , most promoters in ott and the major cities think theyre bigshots and decide whats best for everyone. they pick what they like and a lot of these promoters dont even know anything about the genre they promote. canada is filled with hypocrisy
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kreatrix
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Posted - 2008/01/15 : 20:21:09
im not mad , your just a dipshit these days with that big head of yours. you are sucked into the ottawa scene and you starting to think everything rolls that way. you know there is a lot of unfair shit happening and now your getting that shit ottawa mentality. when your doing parties in ottawa, your running away from the guildline, the rest of the world follows. there are **** loads of wicked hardcore producers here and most promoters dont even use that to their advantage. we all know these promoters just book their friends. i see it in toronto, every lineup (minus the big ones by destiny or whatever)
s4 never plays... why ? because he aint around and just works on whats important .... THE MUSIC
to be frank, music is the last thing you look for. you look for whos most socially popular, not talent. and i know for a fact that if you book talent and plug it as hard as you do with your friends. youd have a nice party. my point is shown for the szahala show as the promoting was poor and the place was still 90% packed
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P.L.U.R.lives
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Posted - 2008/01/16 : 06:03:29
You know there are other parts of Canada then then the great lakes area right? Canada is a big place. and though the scene may not be as big in Winnipeg, or Edmonton, or other places there are still small devoted groups who are trying to bring back to vibe, bring back the hardcore, bring back raving to the oldschool.
I can tell you here in Winnipeg it is hard. A lot of goodf dj's have left us over the years, for good reason, we are just to small even when the scene was pumping it just can not compare to larger cities. But the talent that leaves here is always will to come back and play. there is also hopes of opening a aftetrhours club soon which will feature hardcore.
I don't know much about edmonton but i do know it ahs the y afterhours club that is pumping hardcare. with the likes of derkin (who moved to winnipeg), Bryan Doyle (who reasently played here). I know the scene is doing well there.
We keep mostly to ourselves and are humble so joining world borads seems weird. we are also small compaired to places like toronto or london, for to long we have had inferiority complexes. I say no longer.
Us middle provinces have a real hard time getting noticed so we started to help each other out. Hopefully soon we will be on the map.
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kreatrix
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Posted - 2008/01/16 : 08:58:34
sorry dude. we just know the east coast.
bah , i just shut up now :P lets just say its extremely political here if you wanna waste a lot of time on that lol. most of us producers on the east side think of it as laying low and getting some work done
kanibalz in quebec city have a nice setup. they throw some of the best hardcore jams around here. booking crazy headliners and they also run a digital label and host a radio show every saturday
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2008/01/21 : 14:42:45
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One of my friends introduced me to hhc but other than him I don't think anyone around here knows what it is :/
Once I get up to speed mixing-wise I'm gonna try to get a set or two played on my college radio station.
out of curiosity what college u go 2?
hell as far as here in texas i don't think there is a hardcore scene. austin would b the best city if there was 1 b/c houston has banned raves. the last 'legal' ones were back in 2000-01 and even when there were raves u rarely heard a hardcore track. but i do hear from ppl that durin the mid-late 90s they did play some hardcore in the clubs and sometimes often in raves.
but as of now i'm stuck in a small town b/c of school and everyone here listens 2 country. i think it's hilarious when they hear me listenin 2 hardcore they always look at me funny. so definitely no hardcore here
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2008/01/21 : 14:49:11
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I thought Hardcore was big in the States in the 1990s?
i wasn't in the electronic scenes in the 90s so much but from what i hear it happy hardcore was popular at raves but it ended when trance begin to draw alot of attention in the late 90s. hell we were even hearing some trance on the radio stations which is extremely rare here in houston. I think everyone, including me, got swept away by it until it started goin 2 hell about 5 years ago (imo).
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warped_candykid
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Posted - 2008/01/21 : 15:09:06
You are right Smoogie, Hardcore was big here in the 90s. But after the millennium, it died off. The West coast has a huge Hardcore scene. New York is turning into a big Hardcore spot because of the CandyBall parties. The Southeast (where I live), is DnB/Breaks dominated. I thought Frisky & Hujib came from Canada? Not the US. But if you come over here, the majority of the more older rave promoters will tell you, "Hardcore had its day here".
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Ghetto_smurf420
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Posted - 2008/01/21 : 20:30:47
Can all of us just agree that the hardcore scene in north america eats a dick compared to the Uk and Austrailia.................I call for an HTID WORLD TOUR....but most likely will never live to see it..........Bring the UK HARDCORE out of the UK then maybe it can get some WORLD WIDE RECOGNITION but as long as it stays based solidly in one country it can only have that countries support........no.....
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ravekutz
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Posted - 2008/01/21 : 21:55:30
Good to see there seems to be a thriving underground scene in North America. I never knew AC slater and Frisky and Hujib were from there. I guess the main reason Hardcore has a following in Australia is cause we are much more like the Uk than the States with just about everything other than the weather.
Be good if America had a solid hardcore label to support all their talent.
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Mindwinder
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Posted - 2008/01/22 : 20:30:01
i would like to know if there is a hardcore scene in or around north carolina, im thinking of moving there soon and wanna know if im gonna have to come back for a stomp or are there htid/slammin equilivants?
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2008/01/22 : 20:38:03
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the promoter sucked but 100-150 peeps where at that show and last i checked . you made one party that hit over 300. thats not the new average champ. your such a ********ter. we all know it doesnt matter what plays , its all about they key people saying good things about it. if you put no effort in promoting a new thing in ottawa, it wont work. but if you actaully promote it like you would with your happyhardcore , it would be fine and youd make your stingy money.
tamerax is loved in ottawa and plays freeform. you can stop this popularity crap for thread activity. same goes for tyrant and who ever else. dont tell me freeform doesnt draw. ANYTHING DRAWs if you promote it but the main problem is , most promoters in ott and the major cities think theyre bigshots and decide whats best for everyone. they pick what they like and a lot of these promoters dont even know anything about the genre they promote. canada is filled with hypocrisy
1) Out of the 4 events I've thrown with a capacity of over 300 people since I started 1upped, ALL have hit over 300. HWG had 700.
2) There were under 100 people at Get Psyched
3) Tamerax plays hard trance when he's booked here, he rarely plays freeform. He also doesn't play dark freeform. Tyrant has minimal draw here (again, I love Tyrant and ahve booked him 3 times but the fact is that he has minimal draw in Ottawa)
4) Not "everything" draws if you promote it properly, but yes, better marketing can make even the most obscure genres sell. However, some genres are easier to sell than others and therefore have more draw. Why waste time on genres with minimal return and minimal mass appeal?
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-I know what I promote. Eat a dick if you think otherwise.
-Synergy knows what they promote, no matter what you say. Mitch and Pat know their shit.
That's two big Ottawa promoters right there that throw big events and know who they're booking.
They're also the two most successful rave promoters right now. It's a business - remember that. If you want to prove that dark freeform is Ottawa's real rave draw throw a party yourself.
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