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rpostill
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 Posted - 2008/02/04 : 07:47:30
Hey,
This is to everyone I need to get a general populace opinion plus as many strong points for both sides if possible. There is a series of "Happy Hardcore" cd, while there is many genre listings of "Happy Hardcore". Is the name happy hardcore a band/group/select artists or is it a type/genre/style of music?
Here are some points that are strong so far.
1 - Scooter has an album called "Our Happy Hardcore" does this make it a genre? or is this saying this is my version of happy hardcore style of music?
2 - Wikipedia quotes it is a style of music that is in the bpm of 165-180 has an up-beat sense and is 4/4 usually.
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Samination
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Posted - 2008/02/04 : 08:13:32
basicly, Happy Hardcore is a genre that existed in Holland, and England/Scotland in the 90's, from around 1993-99. around 1998-2000 something happened (I dont know what), and Happy Hardcore basicly died in both places. Some of the artists in the british scene kept on going, by producing more trance influenced 'UK' Hardcore (or just Hardcore, tho that could be missunderstood as dutch Hardcore, which is like Hard style, but alittle more melody), and that's basicly the sound we'd had since 2001.
1. It basicly defined their version of (German) Happy Hardcore back then.
2. That's a very vauge description tho, geting more technical, there's always the kickdrum and samples used
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2008/02/04 : 08:39:52
Happy Hardcore came out of the rave scene in 1993 being 'Happy' sounding with pianos, speed up vocals and bouncy synths prepresenting the smiley face (although the face originally meant Acid House in the late 1980s) it was the lighter and faster side of rave music (Jungle being dark and 'Underground' ect) It was in 1995 when tracks such as Toytown by Hixxy & Sharkey & Party Time by Dougal & Eruption came out with a funfair feel to it which made it fast and cheesy and it moved away from the breakbeats and becaming more stomping. After 1995 vocals started being used more and also remixes of old (often '80s) pop songs.
Later it became more influenced by Trance and has only changed a small bit after 2002 and alot of people call it UK Hardcore or Upfront Hardcore. I have noticed though a small number of tracks are taking this Electro influence...
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chappy_hardcore
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Posted - 2008/02/04 : 11:36:03
Yep, pretty much.
Wikipedia has good coverage on Happy Hardcore as a Genre including its evolution.
When Happy Hardcore went stale, it was because artists were running out of ideas, the tracks were getting poorer and poorer, just like they are now IMO. House (Donk, Stupid House) took over with Wigan Pier, Monroes and Maximes breaking through, with the use of MC's.
Harder styles of Techno are slowly dying down in terms of commercial demand, where i live in the north of England (Burnley) it's mostly Bouncy Scouse House (Donk), RnB or Electro House.
I personally think Hardcore will eventually split into three distinguished sections, Freeform, Cheese, and Hard Dance/Breaks/Breakbeat.
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2008/02/04 : 12:15:12
There is so much wrong with this thread I don't know where to start :p.
Harder styles of techno have never had a commercial demand and if you're referring to hardcore when you say "HSOT" it's not even a type of techno anyway. Hardcore has never really had a big commercial demand either but at the moment it's at the highest point (commercially) it's been in some time.
Hard Dance/Breaks/Breakbeat are not sub genres of hardcore. There is Hardcore Breaks/Old Skool Hardcore and Breakbeat Hardcore if that's what you mean by "Breaks/Breakbeat" (which is a whole different genre). Trancecore, Freeform, Happy Hardcore & UK Hardcore are already very clear sub genres and you're forgetting all the harder stuff that makes up a much bigger proportion of Hardcore sales worldwide.
Happy Hardcore is a sub-genre of Hardcore and there is (and never has been) any evidence to say it's a band /group.
Hope this helps. :)
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CorDharel
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Posted - 2008/02/04 : 12:38:25
I agree with bulby_g. And Scooter is a band that produces electronic music and had one album called "our happy hardcore", and I liked some of their tracks (like endless summer).
Sadly they became more and more a commercial band and almost every track sounds similar like the last one. And today I would not say that Scooter is happy hardcore anymore.
Typical for happy hardcore: Fast happy techno with piano influences and chipmunk vocals. Although today i think there is also not-so-happy-anymore happy hardcore and "normal", female vocals. So surely it changed because the soft- and hardware to produce electronical music changed, too.
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ferocious
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Posted - 2008/02/04 : 12:57:32
Happy hardcore can mean many things. You'll find it differs through time and across the world.
It first described a type of piano breakbeat from the south of England that was briefly made. Usage of that term outside the UK was likely nil. I doubt newcomers today recognise this as being happy hardcore. You may well call this breakbeat or old skool breakbeat hardcore.
However, Scooter was never based on this stuff and took influence from Scotland's Ultra-Sonic (basically a rave band who took a softer mainstream approach to Scott Brown's bouncy techno/hardcore style). Scooter however makes a lot of different sounding music since that time.
Also the English piano breakbeat became influenced by the Scottish / Scott Brown sound in general, hence its change away from the breakbeats and using kicks and bouncy stabs. This was referred to as a new type of happy hardcore (mark II) and what most are familiar with.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2008/02/04 : 18:08:00
quote:
Originally posted by CorDharel:
I agree with bulby_g. And Scooter is a band that produces electronic music and had one album called "our happy hardcore", and I liked some of their tracks (like endless summer).
Sadly they became more and more a commercial band and almost every track sounds similar like the last one. And today I would not say that Scooter is happy hardcore anymore.
Typical for happy hardcore: Fast happy techno with piano influences and chipmunk vocals. Although today i think there is also not-so-happy-anymore happy hardcore and "normal", female vocals. So surely it changed because the soft- and hardware to produce electronical music changed, too.
Scooter wasn't the only one to become mainstream. ATB, aka andre tanneburger, did some early happy hardcore tracks under the alias Sequential One, or SQ1.
But happy hardcore isn't completely gone, but it has evolved in some ways. I always put something that sounds a little cheesy but definitely uplifting into the category of happy hardcore. All my hardcore started with happy hardcore and I will always enjoy those sounds.
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Mental_Adam
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Posted - 2008/02/05 : 17:47:31
From a Dutch friend.
Apparently over in holland in 1998 apparently Gabber/Hardcore got banned from their charts. Due to racism i beleive because of the skinheads/Nazis and that stupid SIEG HEIL song etc.
Happy hardcore had it's last good run in 1997 but it was probably it's worst with groups like Gabber piet/Hakkuhbar spoiling it with the commercial approach, Frankly they we're just a gimmick not true hardcore lovers.
my dutch friend also said it was artists like DJ Paul Elstak, Gabber Piet, Hakkuhbar who are blamed for killing the scene. Many beleived Elstak was just in it to make a quick buck.
Some of it i won't beleive obviously as i'm a big fan of Pauls, but this was coming from a dutchmen who grew up with the scene in the 90's.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2008/02/05 : 19:42:31
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Originally posted by djbrownieboy:
From a Dutch friend.
Apparently over in holland in 1998 apparently Gabber/Hardcore got banned from their charts. Due to racism i beleive because of the skinheads/Nazis and that stupid SIEG HEIL song etc.
Does technohead have anything to do with this theory? i saw the video to 'i wanna b a hippy' on youtube awhile back and thought it was weird as hell seeing all the guyz in shaved heads. It looked like some type of cult.
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Brian K
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Posted - 2008/02/06 : 00:01:46
shaved heads & wearing track suits was a hardcore thing, doesn't mean they were fascist
much like how kids here wore phat pants and adidas
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Analog Dreams
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Posted - 2008/02/06 : 05:00:21
I usually classify the more bouncy, silly, and sometimes kind of funky tracks as happy hardcore. Dj seduction to me is more happy hardcore than any other dj i've listened to recently. Especially on hardcore adrenaline 2, that was an awesome mix...
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Compulsion
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Posted - 2008/02/06 : 18:35:33
Id say Happy hardcore is a soup, Or maby a sauce, Im yet to decide. Will let you know when I reach a decision.
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