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 Posted - 2008/04/23 : 20:43:30
does anyone know of any underground pirate fm radio stations??? and if so what frequency, and where?
id be really interested in having a listen to a few in the south manchester/stockport area if you know of any....
plus... how do you set up your own? because i would love to make a few of my mixes broadcasted across the north west for a hobby!!
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Posted - 2008/04/23 : 22:52:40
how to set up a pirate radio station courtesy of DJBUZZ1021:
http://www.happyhardcore.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39397&whichpage=2
How To Set Up An Internet Radio Station
So you want to run an Internet radio station? Great! Nullsoft have a solution for you. It's Shoutcast.
Now it works like this. You have a DJ broadcasting to a server. This server listens to the DJ, listeners connect to the server, and the server relays the signal to multiple listeners.
To run a station you need Winamp and the Shoutcast DSP Plug-in for Winamp, a server to stream to, a good connection to the server, good bandwidth from the server, and some MP3's.
Server Setup
Now for a server you can either go with an outside server provider, which you usually have to pay for, or run the server on your own box. If you are looking for a server provider please refer to this thread for a list of providers. If you choose to run the server on your own system you can download the latest Shoutcast DNAS server from Shoutcast.com for the Windows platform and *NIX platform. If you choose to run the server on your own system make sure your ISP's Acceptable Usage Policy allows you to run servers and that you have enough bandwidth. Bandwidth calculators can be found in the Useful Links thread.
Now that you have your server the first step is to configure it.
Install the software on your server. On windows you have two types of server, the GUI version and the console version, on *NIX systems you only have the console version.
With the install comes a file called sc_serv.ini, edit it. If you use the Windows GUI version there should be a link to edit it in your Start Menu. The basic entries in this file are listed below:
Required Stuff
MaxUser
You need to change this, to reflect the number of users you can handle on your bandwidth, the ini file is well commented and tells you how to set this well.
Password
This is your Shoutcast server's password, needed to connect and administer. Change it to something a bit safer than "changeme"! Remember this! You will need it later when you connect to stream.
PortBase
This is the port your Shoutcast server is going to cast on, make sure this port isn't blocked by your/your ISP's firewall. Change it if you like, but the default port of 8000 is usually fine.
Logging configuration
The logging options are fine for now, we're just getting you started.
Network Configuration
SrcIP
Now if you are on a dial-up, or a dynamic IP then this should be "ANY" to let you connect when you are on-line, if you are casting from a static location it should be your IP address. If the server is on your broadcast machine then you can set it to "127.0.0.1" so no other machine can connect.
DestIP
This is the IP your clients will connect to, leave it as ANY as instructed in the file, unless your machine has multiple IP addresses. This has to deal with network problems.
Yport
If you are behind an ISP cache then set this to 666 and the yp will be able to detect your actual IP and therefore will be able to add you.
NameLookups
Leave alone for now.
RelayPort and RelayServer
If you do not have enough bandwidth for all your listeners on your server alone, you can relay your stream to another server. If this server setup is a relay server uncomment the lines and point them to the proper IP and port of the server you want to relay.
The rest of the file is more advanced options. If you are interested in what they do, go through and read the documentation in the file and play with them. You can leave these alone if you just want to set up your broadcast and get it going. The rest of the options in sc_serv.ini are beyond the scope of this article.
Next you need to start the server. This can be done from a DOS prompt in Windows 98, or a command prompt in W2K or NT. If you have the GUI version just launch it with the link the installer put in your Start Menu. It's slightly different (but not much) on *NIX systems, and if you are using a *NIX system and need this help, then I don't think you should be using *NIX.
Shoutcast DSP Setup
Once you have installed the DSP plug-in into Winamp you can go ahead and start Winamp then the DSP plug-in:
Preferences (Ctrl-P) > Plug-ins > DSP/Effect > Select "Nullsoft Shoutcast Source DSP..."
Once you select this the Shoutcast DSP box will pop up. First select the "Encoder" tab. Select an Encoder (Use Encoder 2 because Encoder 1 currently has a bug), select an Encoder Type (currently only MP3), and then select the format and bitrate you want to stream with in the "Encoder Settings" drop down.
Next select the "Output" tab and select an Output (Output 1 by default is good). Hit the "Connection" button if it is not already selected. Type in the address of your server ("localhost" if the DSP and server are on the same machine). For "Port" enter the port you have as PortBase in the sc_serv.ini file (8000 by default). Enter the password you selected when editing sc_serv.ini. Finish off by selecting the encoder number that you previously set.
If you would like your server to be listed on Shoutcast.com hit the "Yellowpages" button next to the "Connection" button. Make sure "Make this server public" is checked. Then enter some descriptive info about your stream in the corresponding boxes below.
The other options in the Shoutcast DSP are not described here because they are beyond the scope of this article.
Once you have all the settings taken care of go ahead and hit the "Connect" button. Start playing the MP3s that you want to webcast. If everything is set up and running correctly the DSP should connect to the server and start the stream for the world to hear.
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Posted - 2008/04/23 : 23:00:14
OK, pirate radio is illegal as you will know and i advise you not to start your own ;), but......
people who do start their own need somewhere high up where they can transmit from like a tower block roof. They need a gap in the radio bandwidth atleast 0.2MHz clear of any other radio station, they then need to buy or build a transmitter (search the net). Also needed is an antenna to attach to the tower block.
http://www.irational.org/sic/radio/
Someone else may no more. I think it would be complicated though
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Posted - 2008/04/23 : 23:01:28
haha told you someone would know more^^^^^^
no one had replied when i started typing
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Posted - 2008/04/24 : 08:55:54
There's 87.5 in London/Bucks/Oxon area (just expanded their reach as well I believe) but I think they may have gone legit now...
Play every type of dance music under the sun. More 89-99 Hardcore than new stuff.
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Posted - 2008/04/24 : 09:27:33
Why not just install the pirate radio toolbar. You get a massive list of all pirate radio stations. just pick what you want to listen to from there. If you also install the freecorder toolbar aswell you can just press record & record what your listening too.
Pirate Radio Toolbar Link: http://www.sunriseradio.ourtoolbar.com/
Freecorder Toolbar Link: http://www.freecorder.com/freecorder3/index.php?src=www.google.com
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Posted - 2008/04/24 : 12:54:02
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Originally posted by SPOOX:
Why not just install the pirate radio toolbar. You get a massive list of all pirate radio stations. just pick what you want to listen to from there. If you also install the freecorder toolbar aswell you can just press record & record what your listening too.
Pirate Radio Toolbar Link: http://www.sunriseradio.ourtoolbar.com/
Freecorder Toolbar Link: http://www.freecorder.com/freecorder3/index.php?src=www.google.com
He's asking about FM stations mate.
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Posted - 2008/04/24 : 17:57:38
pirate radio stations are illegal because they either dont have a licence or pay royalties.
filesharin is illegal because people share files and royalties dont get paid.
i just dont get some people in hardcore. pirate radio is acceptable but filesharin isnt?
isnt that hypercritical?
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Posted - 2008/04/24 : 20:32:56
quote:
Originally posted by uncle Google:
pirate radio stations are illegal because they either dont have a licence or pay royalties.
filesharin is illegal because people share files and royalties dont get paid.
i just dont get some people in hardcore. pirate radio is acceptable but filesharin isnt?
isnt that hypercritical?
To me it isn't a problem... At the end of the day producers aren't going to loose any money. That's how I see it anyway. Everyone has their own view on things I guess.
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Posted - 2008/04/24 : 20:59:35
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
quote:
Originally posted by uncle Google:
pirate radio stations are illegal because they either dont have a licence or pay royalties.
filesharin is illegal because people share files and royalties dont get paid.
i just dont get some people in hardcore. pirate radio is acceptable but filesharin isnt?
isnt that hypercritical?
To me it isn't a problem... At the end of the day producers aren't going to loose any money. That's how I see it anyway. Everyone has their own view on things I guess.
it isnt a problem to me. im just tryin to raise an on going issue - remember a few days ago, what orbit 1 said because someone ripped one of his tunes? thats a form of filesharin. thats not allowed but pirate stations are!
producers are losing money on pirate stations, as they ment to get royalties but obviously dont
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Posted - 2008/04/24 : 21:22:16
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
quote:
Originally posted by SPOOX:
Why not just install the pirate radio toolbar. You get a massive list of all pirate radio stations. just pick what you want to listen to from there. If you also install the freecorder toolbar aswell you can just press record & record what your listening too.
Pirate Radio Toolbar Link: http://www.sunriseradio.ourtoolbar.com/
Freecorder Toolbar Link: http://www.freecorder.com/freecorder3/index.php?src=www.google.com
He's asking about FM stations mate.
Most of them are FM stations
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Posted - 2008/04/24 : 23:45:39
quote:
Originally posted by uncle Google:
pirate radio stations are illegal because they either dont have a licence or pay royalties.
isnt that hypercritical?
The DJs that we know on Pirate Radio buy their music.
The Producers/Labels get their money just the same as if the DJs play it out at gigs.... which some of them also do.
Illegal maybe but, *shrugs*, hypocrisy?
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quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:
quote:
Originally posted by uncle Google:
pirate radio stations are illegal because they either dont have a licence or pay royalties.
isnt that hypercritical?
The DJs that we know on Pirate Radio buy their music.
The Producers/Labels get their money just the same as if the DJs play it out at gigs.... which some of them also do.
Illegal maybe but, *shrugs*, hypocrisy?
it is also illegal to play tunes at gigs.
just because you by a record doesnt mean you can play it where u like.
look very closely at your records, it will say somewhere its prohibited from public performance. which means gigs and radio stations, especially pirate stations!
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Posted - 2008/04/25 : 00:07:23
quote:
Originally posted by uncle Google:
it is also illegal to play tunes at gigs.
just because you by a record doesnt mean you can play it where u like.
look very closely at your records, it will say somewhere its prohibited from public performance. which means gigs and radio stations, especially pirate stations!
Yeh, we know. It's on the labels of tracks and records that we've released, eg -
http://www.ionosphere.co.uk/23.html
but....
....we're realistic.
This is NOT mainstream music.
People have been complaining about this for the last 20 years and where has it got us? ....so,
We're realistic and a lot happier because of it. 
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Posted - 2008/04/25 : 08:53:05
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Most of them are FM stations
Ah, cool. Just thought they'd be interweb radio.
I wouldn't say that producers are loosing money because of pirate radio... Yes, they should get royalties but, at the end of the day, the stations aren't getting any money and it's not like a legit station would play the music if they didn't. It will no doubt do more good than harm as it's an advertisement for people who haven't discovered the genre.
In reality, I guess you could say it's hypercritical of people to accept it but, in my personal opinion, it's doing no harm. That's what it all comes down to in the end, doing what you think is good for the scene. Saying "it's illegal so it must be bad/as bad" would be a silly mistake to make.
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Posted - 2008/04/25 : 12:39:06
agreed but at the same time u could say filesharin is some sort of advertising!
you cant have 1 rule for 1 and 1 for the rest
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