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drivebye
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 Posted - 2008/06/04 : 03:43:36
because downloading is so easy and accessible the younger generations will do it purely because of this; the consequences of there actions do not yet reflect upon the downloader and therefore will continue to do so purely for this reason
Times when I have downloaded I haven't thought "oh, the producer and band wont get paid for this", most of the time I thought "wow this is ****ing easy" and click click click, I have just downloaded 50 albums!
Surely there is a way to monitor the internet, the internet providers must have some scope on what their customers are downloading and surely this should be where the changes are made. Download bandwidth should be on a "pay as you go" basis.
But then again, this raises many other issues and problems and there is no easy solution, and back to my previous point; there will always be people willing to buy good productions, (at present, me being one of them) and until this mentality is shared then piracy will be rife.
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silver
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Posted - 2008/06/04 : 04:13:16
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Originally posted by drivebye:
Surely there is a way to monitor the internet, the internet providers must have some scope on what their customers are downloading and surely this should be where the changes are made.
ISP's, apple, mp3 makers make money from piracy. They wont help until told otherwise, why do you think apple was all for removing DRM from itunes? So people can have more money to buy their new ipods and gadgets.
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Samination
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Posted - 2008/06/04 : 14:15:36
Without piracy there wouldnt be me :P
jokes aside, if it wheren't for illegal MP3s I (and I think alot of people aswell) would propably never have gotten into Hardcore properly. I had Off Yer Nut!! 1 and 2 before a mate of my brother sent us some tracks (the ol 'Happy Hardcore' artist  ). But after a while I wanted tracks that I coudln't find, so I started buying records, and now I buy all the hardcore digitally as much as I possible can (well I wont be buying Darren Styles tho, I hate new Hardcore ':P)
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2008/06/04 : 16:41:29
We've heard it a million times already Samination
Without piracy there wouldn't be you
But without you, there wouldn't be piracy
you run a piracy group that probably costs many thousand dollars to hardcore labels every year so I wouldn't give a shit if you weren't in this scene
it's not like you throw parties or do anything else that helps this scene
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Wilky
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Posted - 2008/06/04 : 17:20:54
the thing is, hardcore artists moan about people pirating their tunes, yet they dont do anything about it... even when someone emails them a couple of sites... im mean forums that let u download copied music for a small fee!!!
so in a way they have themselves to blame.
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Meathead
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Posted - 2008/06/04 : 18:29:23
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
it's not like you throw parties or do anything else that helps this scene
well if he buys the music, like he said he does, is that not helping the scene?
are none of us helping the scene unless we throw parties?
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Ken Masters
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Posted - 2008/06/04 : 18:40:02
DJ Samination "Without piracy there wouldnt be me :P"
I can't quite understand what you mean by this. I remember when I was 12 -13 & waiting for my birthdays or Christmas to come along so that I could get the new Bonkers or Hardcore Heaven. Otherwise my mates would give me tapes of their Big bro's & their mates mixing live. This is how I got into hardcore & I could probably say that most other ravers were the same.
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Wilky
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Posted - 2008/06/04 : 18:41:54
in a way people who throw the parties/raves are not helping the scene. the ones that help it are producer and buyers. without them no scene!
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Posted - 2008/06/04 : 19:01:18
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Originally posted by narcotik:
DJ Samination "Without piracy there wouldnt be me :P"
I can't quite understand what you mean by this. I remember when I was 12 -13 & waiting for my birthdays or Christmas to come along so that I could get the new Bonkers or Hardcore Heaven. Otherwise my mates would give me tapes of their Big bro's & their mates mixing live. This is how I got into hardcore & I could probably say that most other ravers were the same.
tbh i got into hardcore the same way samination did, and i reckon there are a few people for whom it was the same, not saying that what either of us did was right but he's got a point.
i didn't know anyone else who was into hardcore till i was 16 and i hardly even spoke to them. so hardcore wasn't really as accessible to me like it was for you. so, if i hadn't illegally downloaded tracks i wouldn't really have been exposed to much hardcore and so wouldn't have got into hardcore like i did, wouldn't DJ and so wouldn't buy as many records i could afford when they come out, wouldn't buy the albums, nothing. so, in my eyes, illegally downloading has it's good and bad points. of course it's bad when people do it and don't stop, but others (like me) grow out of it, realize what they are doing causes so much damage and start to buy their music.
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drivebye
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Posted - 2008/06/04 : 19:08:31
haha I have some thing to tell you all.... something i am very ashamed of;
If my memory is correct I first heard the likes of hardcore from a "dj rankin mix cd" that I got off my ex. It had Scott Brown tunes, 24/7 with "face down ass up" sample and many others...
It just goes to show how much of a looser that guy is... and how piracy can really **** up a music genre!
But now I have learned from these mistakes, never listen to a CD your g.f gives you .. LOL...
Jokes!!!
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2008/06/04 : 19:11:09
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Originally posted by uncle Google:
in a way people who throw the parties/raves are not helping the scene. the ones that help it are producer and buyers. without them no scene!
DJs make 90% of their money from bookings
75% of the listeners in our scene wouldn't be listeners without also being ravers first
Event promoters ARE the scene. Without them there is no scene.
The only reason hardcore is remotely alive where I live is because there's a small number of promoters that throw hardcore shows. Go to a different City in Canada and you probably won't find any hardcore at all if there's no hardcore raves.
Samination might help the scene in a very small way by buying some mp3s but this doesn't offset the multiple thousands of mp3s he's shared, with people that have shared them with others, who shared them with others... (etc.)
For each mp3 a piracy group posts online, 100-1,000,000 people get their hands on it. File sharing has an exponential effect.
Maybe only 1% of those people would've bought the track but that adds up to alot of people.
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Ken Masters
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Posted - 2008/06/04 : 19:19:23
Is that true Dain-ja, is Hardcore not very popular in Canada?
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DJ_Axiom
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Posted - 2008/06/04 : 19:37:00
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Originally posted by silver:
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Originally posted by uncle Google:
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Originally posted by silver:
^^^ weak, basically anyone not paying for something doesn''t want to give that up, so will make any excuse to justify themself.
Dance music across the board vinyl sales are shit, download sales are shit only a handful of producer in hardcore actually make money / a living from hardcore. The rest get released on illegal CD packs while the promotors clean up.
If you like hardcore support the artists... buy hardcore... Support what you love...
Music in general has crapped itself, you be be number 1 in the UK on 30,000 units sold. If every member of happyhardcore.com bought the same CD it would be number 1 in the UK.
i totally agree with u.. i do buy my hardcore.. i do on the other hand admit to illegally downloading hardcore in the past, however, i dont anymore.
so silver, wheres your stance on illegally downloading im not talking hardcore here.
have u ever downloaded anything non hardcore?
Haha, yea the part about the teenagers and pirating. Ill admit, I use to download almost everything that I listened to at one point. I remember I talked to DJ Cotts a while ago about something and he yelled at me because I was pirating some of my stuff lol. Now, Ive spent over like 300 dollars on mp3's alone, and I plan to keep supporting the music every bit.
I bring up the point to some of my friends about buying music...they kinda just laugh at me and call me crazy. Although...I did get one friend to start buying music, because hes a DJ and hes starting to appreciate it much more.
Downloading is gonna happen, nothing I or anyone else can do will stop people, best is to educate people... but if you actually do care about the music you're into, like you have a passion for it then you should support it... unforcantly in dance music going to events doesn't support the artists... it really only supports the promotors and the DJ's (obviously some DJ's play all their own material - but that has other obvious problems)
Other music... I can't tell you how bad sales are, I just don't know, some genres are worse than others I'm sure. I don't really travel, I'm in front of a PC all day so If I want to listen to something else I tune into a different station on DI.fm no need to download anything to be honest. My ipod is full of stuff I have the CD for or my own mixes... helps if you're a DJ and you buy vinyl and get promo :)
10 years ago you got CD's as presents, they were valueable and a trip down to your local vinyl store was an adventure into new and interesting sounds you've never heard before... shit changes... music has little or no value to teenagers these days, they grew up on mobile phones, ipods and free music, to them you're a sucker to buy music. Just ask any teenager, they can't understand why you would pay, in fact they think it's their right to pirate... it's all a big joke and the "labels" are evil... most hardcore "labels" are the artists and don't make alot of money from sales.
long rant there... long and the short of it basically heh.
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Posted - 2008/06/04 : 19:38:44
Btw, I dont know why the **** my posts keep getting effed up lately lol.
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Wilky
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Posted - 2008/06/04 : 20:44:52
looks like to me that u typed ur reply in the middle of the quote lol...
anyway, a cd to me anyway sound quality wise is better than a mp3 illegal download. add the virsus on top and cds win everytime for me
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