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Mental_Adam
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 Posted - 2008/06/20 : 15:13:45
Is there any reasons why alot of Vinyl tracks aren't available on CD or now updated mp3 availability online.
I know there are a few companies what are bringing out releases what have been re-mastered to CD quality sounding.
There is still too many tracks what need to be heard or just can't be remembered. They should collect alot of the old vinyl and try and buy the rights etc so they can bring back alot of the very old and rare rave tracks
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deejaybee
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Posted - 2008/06/20 : 15:17:14
Many reasons.... lost dats, retired producers, closed labels... mny of the old tracks were lost / destroyed over the years so for many, the only medium they are still available on is Vinyl and nobody wants an mp3 that is restored from vinyl do they!
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Mental_Adam
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Posted - 2008/06/20 : 15:21:10
yeah but they re-master it and update it so it can be sound quality? i know it'd take time but i'm sure if a company had the money they would take the time and dedication to get these tracks heard alot more again
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deejaybee
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Posted - 2008/06/20 : 15:26:02
Its just not possible to get a track from vinyl and remaster it to a standard of a High Quality MP3!
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Ken Masters
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Posted - 2008/06/20 : 17:00:44
Buy a set of real decks:-p
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DJ-Intensity
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Posted - 2008/06/20 : 18:06:05
Some tunes come out on CD first then release on vinyl.
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Mental_Adam
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Posted - 2008/06/21 : 01:32:49
not really the ones i'm on about, i'm on about alot of stuff which probably doesn't exsist in the public eye .... but somewhere
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kathryn
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Posted - 2008/06/21 : 07:49:07
quote:
Originally posted by djkenmasters:
Buy a set of real decks:-p
Here Here 
Vinyls best
Originality.
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2008/06/21 : 08:49:21
quote:
Originally posted by deejaybee:
Many reasons.... lost dats, retired producers, closed labels... mny of the old tracks were lost / destroyed over the years so for many, the only medium they are still available on is Vinyl and nobody wants an mp3 that is restored from vinyl do they!
Who would destroy those classics?
I can put vinyl onto CD so I can still play the classics & rare tracks. Waiting for a few more to arrive as well, one track is a full on beast & can't wait for it to come through the door! (expect to hear it in my next mix) 
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Jimouk
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Posted - 2008/06/21 : 20:27:31
I know I have alot of problems with this aswell, its really annoying when theres new tunes being released on Vinyl only these days when CDJs are becoming the norm.
Theres a few specific upcoming releases I want to get my hands on but I can't, because I have no way to rip the Vinyl onto CD seeing as I sold my old decks a long time ago.
Also I switched to CDJs a few years ago and ive never looked back besides the small problem of Vinyls (Although most trance is web released first anyway, and thats the main genre I mix)
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Brian K
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Posted - 2008/06/22 : 00:26:17
actually vinyl sales in general have had an increase in the last couple years
music purists are back lashing against digital =P
as for the reason most old tunes haven't been rereleased, deejaybee pretty much said it.
a lot of technology has changed since the 90s. tunes were recorded in a now outdated format and finding things like dat players to rerelease a song just isn't very feasible...as well as a huge time constrant I don't think there is much money in people looking to do something like that.
luna-c just went through something similar to this as he is rereleasing all of kniteforce on digital but had to track down a now outdated tape drive to get samples off of tapes.
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Mental_Adam
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Posted - 2008/06/22 : 00:51:47
One day they'll get the technology but for now, alot of them will be hidden treasures
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Luna-C
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Posted - 2008/06/23 : 22:35:09
No one deliberately destroys the master recordings. The problem with old recordings is, no one knew the value of what they had. So some samples and masters were lost after the record had sold a few hundred and were not thought of again for the next 8 years. Then suddenly people want the MP3 - which wasnt even invented lol.
How many items have you still got that you had 8 years ago, and that have not been damaged in any way? Ones which had little value? Its like that.
The other reasons are more mundane. DAT tapes - the old way of mastering - were notoriously unstable. They would glitch, the tape could decay, and sometimes got eaten by the DAT machine. I have lost at least 10 original masters that way - Piano Progression being one of them. Fortunately for me, that track had been released unmixed on a CD, so i could get it again.
And assuming you lost the master, how do you remaster a track from 1994, made on an atari and a s950 sampler? Very hard to get the arrangement up and running on another system, on a modern PC or Mac - if theres a way, I would love to know (I have this exact problem with all the early Kniteforce releases)
So theres that.
Then theres the time it takes to remaster. Then theres "who has the pieces?" Did the engineer keep the disks? Who owns the rights to the track? Do you need to get permission from others who you worked with, who you may not be on good terms with anymore?
With the best intentions, it would be very hard to track down some of the people who made old skool, and left it 10 or 15 years ago. And many of the good ones moved on and there is no financial advantage to repressing an old track.
So really, its remarkable that so many old things have been released at all.
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Torpex
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Posted - 2008/06/24 : 08:49:01
Regarding the Atari issue, you might find these interesting:
http://steem.atari.st/index.htm
http://tamw.atari-users.net/timidi.htm
Worth a try?
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Luna-C
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Posted - 2008/06/24 : 10:42:30
Ha! I had a look at the links, and what I would need to do is only possible on a PC, I think.
However, I gave up a number of years ago trying to get something to do that job, so destroyed the floppy disks thinking it would just never be possible. Which is another reason old records dont get repressed - the idiot that owns the label gets tired of carrying well over 5000 floppy disks from home to home, and eventually gives up and destroys the disks lol....
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Lilley
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Posted - 2008/06/24 : 11:42:37
^^^ haha floppy disks i remember those. You managed to store a track with 1.4 meg? can you still buy computers with floppy drives?
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