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Smoogie
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 Posted - 2008/06/23 : 21:13:02
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the thing with hardcore now compared to the 90's is variety, bit of everything for everyone. in the 90's it was all samey, thats why it dipped towards 99! theres no chance in that again as hardcore is so varied now
I thought it was the other way around!
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CDJay
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Posted - 2008/06/23 : 21:26:02
edit: Was veering off topic.
Damn you, above posters, for baiting me. 
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Posted - 2008/06/23 : 23:35:25
Should have added "Well done Mr Styles" to my previous post - very rude of me, apologies!
Whatever people's opinions on here about the guy's music, you can't really argue with a no. 4 slot! He is now up there in chart history along with The Prodigy, The Smart Es and Shut Up and Dance. Fair play to the guy!
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Posted - 2008/06/24 : 07:25:26
There is the odd tune I like he has produced on his own label.
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Smoogie
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 Posted - 2008/06/24 : 08:27:16
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Should have added "Well done Mr Styles" to my previous post - very rude of me, apologies!
Whatever people's opinions on here about the guy's music, you can't really argue with a no. 4 slot! He is now up there in chart history along with The Prodigy, The Smart Es and Shut Up and Dance. Fair play to the guy!
There where alot of commercial acts in the 90s but only a few where big outside of the rave scene! Q-tex, Rythemic Sate, Altern-8 and dare I say it- Paul Elstak! All had some commercial stuff (as with most of Pengo records) but they were sometimes unsussesful. Typically, even the commercial stuff was better then that it was now!
As for number 4 slots I don't think many people in Hardcore have got that high so I supose a rouind of aplaws for Darren Styles!
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Posted - 2008/06/24 : 08:53:01
noone in hardcore has been anywhere near number 4 in the album charts!
compilation we've had a few number one's
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Ken Masters
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Posted - 2008/06/24 : 12:42:36
Can we really say well done to Darren for getting to the top 4? I mean someone was comparing him to doing aswell as the Prodigy & Altern 8. Do you honestly think that Darren styles would have got a no 4 if he was making music in the height of the scene. NO WAY! He has never had the skills or the musical education to push a style of music forward. Act's, like are mentioned above, have done their part for the scene we have today. Without them we would have hardcore & Rave. He's jumped on the Commercial bandwagon & pretty much f**ked us all over! This is a very sad day for Hardcore & the scene because it show that a lot of our big names & top Men aren't even push hardcore forward any more. They're happy with a couple of hundered thousand young girls going out & buying a CD because they Fancy him!!! Is this a POP STAR or what. At least when all those great act's in the 90's were running the charts they never sold out & became Pop Stars they moved on with the scene & payed respects to the music that had made them what they are. I mean look at the prodigy now. They are the legends of the dance world & a force of nature but how many tracks have they released with Liam Howlett flying through the F**king air, SINGING. Sorry, no. That's to far. What a sell out c**t!!!
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Posted - 2008/06/24 : 13:09:22
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Can we really say well done to Darren for getting to the top 4? I mean someone was comparing him to doing aswell as the Prodigy & Altern 8. Do you honestly think that Darren styles would have got a no 4 if he was making music in the height of the scene. NO WAY! He has never had the skills or the musical education to push a style of music forward. Act's, like are mentioned above, have done their part for the scene we have today. Without them we would have hardcore & Rave. He's jumped on the Commercial bandwagon & pretty much f**ked us all over! This is a very sad day for Hardcore & the scene because it show that a lot of our big names & top Men aren't even push hardcore forward any more. They're happy with a couple of hundered thousand young girls going out & buying a CD because they Fancy him!!! Is this a POP STAR or what. At least when all those great act's in the 90's were running the charts they never sold out & became Pop Stars they moved on with the scene & payed respects to the music that had made them what they are. I mean look at the prodigy now. They are the legends of the dance world & a force of nature but how many tracks have they released with Liam Howlett flying through the F**king air, SINGING. Sorry, no. That's to far. What a sell out c**t!!!
totally disagree
how can u say he's sellin out to the commercial world then u dont know much about him. his tunes have always been aimed at the commercial market, its just he's had the opportunity to make it reality over the last few years.
its great news for the scene. i just hope more hardcore artists push hardcore up the charts. i mean hardcore tho not remixed commercial.
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Posted - 2008/06/24 : 14:27:48
The fact that something is marketable and profitable (hence, commercial) doesn't render it bad.
Broad appeal is exactly what hardcore needs. The music and artists with mass appeal will attract listeners, and once they dwelve deeper into hardcore, they'll get into "less commercial" music.
Nothing wrong with that. In fact, it's the best thing that could happen.
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Posted - 2008/06/24 : 14:43:30
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The fact that something is marketable and profitable (hence, commercial) doesn't render it bad.
Broad appeal is exactly what hardcore needs. The music and artists with mass appeal will attract listeners, and once they dwelve deeper into hardcore, they'll get into "less commercial" music.
Nothing wrong with that. In fact, it's the best thing that could happen.
my point exactly
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Posted - 2008/06/24 : 17:13:18
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
The fact that something is marketable and profitable (hence, commercial) doesn't render it bad.
Broad appeal is exactly what hardcore needs. The music and artists with mass appeal will attract listeners, and once they dwelve deeper into hardcore, they'll get into "less commercial" music.
Nothing wrong with that. In fact, it's the best thing that could happen.
my point exactly
I agree. All the best scenes have stuff in the charts.
There's plenty of Rock in the charts, Electro, Rap, Bassline House, Drum & Bass (well, just Pendulum) etc and they all still have a massive underground scene too. Just because one or two tracks from a scene enter the charts doesn't mean the whole scene is now classed as commercial and it will crumble and fall apart. As said before, all this does is bring more interest and new fresh faces to the show, which has to be a good thing. And for the true hardcore, there will always be the more harder tracks, freeform etc to listen to at home or go raving to. Just because one thing goes commercial it doesn't convert every track in the scene to a big steaming slice of cheese.
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Posted - 2008/06/24 : 17:49:35
Prodgy - Ledgends but Liam hasn't made a hardcore records for 13, maybe 14 years.
Altern 8 - Same again.
Both ****ed off from the scene and as I said eairler, Mr Styles is still here - was making hardcore in 93 and still is to this day. Never mind a number 4 album, that speaks volumes.
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Posted - 2008/06/24 : 18:31:16
How about people who have never given any Hardcore genres a chance because they see this knobend floating through the sky singing. I mean come on to F**K. Hardcore is quickly becoming the laughing stock of, Dance music, in Britian. Mabey not around the world but in Britian. The rave scene here will never be the same again. Most of the commercial hardcore that comes out is f**kin kiddies music! There's nothing hard about it. I remember in high school, everyone was into hardcore. EVERYONE. what's happened? I remember getting tapes from my mates who's big bro's & cousins had gave them to listen too. These guy's were the shit. Really talented! It used to be a unity between the young and the old for the love of the music. Can you see anyone in there 30's actually giving Hardcore a chance these day's. It will never happen. A lot of these nu CD's are aimed at the youngsters because they know that the older generation ain't as f**king thick. Hardcore is underground & should have stayed Underground & the scene will suffer because stylesey want to make a bit more money. SAD
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Posted - 2008/06/24 : 18:37:23
There is also the freeform as well.
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Posted - 2008/06/24 : 18:56:51
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Originally posted by djkenmasters:
How about people who have never given any Hardcore genres a chance because they see this knobend floating through the sky singing. I mean come on to F**K. Hardcore is quickly becoming the laughing stock of, Dance music, in Britian. Mabey not around the world but in Britian. The rave scene here will never be the same again. Most of the commercial hardcore that comes out is f**kin kiddies music! There's nothing hard about it. I remember in high school, everyone was into hardcore. EVERYONE. what's happened? I remember getting tapes from my mates who's big bro's & cousins had gave them to listen too. These guy's were the shit. Really talented! It used to be a unity between the young and the old for the love of the music. Can you see anyone in there 30's actually giving Hardcore a chance these day's. It will never happen. A lot of these nu CD's are aimed at the youngsters because they know that the older generation ain't as f**king thick. Hardcore is underground & should have stayed Underground & the scene will suffer because stylesey want to make a bit more money. SAD
Bollocks. All styles of hardcore are still out there if you're willing to look for them, the softer styles making money only has a knock on effect to the rest of the scene and it's all beneficial. The real reason people like you get pissed off is that the word hardcore now represents something slightly different to what you'd like it to, it's got nothing to do with hurting the scene, it's the equivalent of you spitting your dummy out because one side of hardcore has become more popular than your favourite, and you don't like it. Now that's sad.
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