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Smoogie Advanced Member
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Posted - 2008/07/23 : 23:00:19
Ok, before you wonder what im talking about im talking about a 'sound' that we should all know as it was 'the sound' of the early '90s & then the Scottish made their own 'Bouncy Techno' sound using these 'Off beat stabs/ Techno riffs/ de-tuned pianos sounds!'
Wonder what im talking about? Take a look at these vidoes:
Awesome 3- Dont go! A very well know track from 1992, but who invented that 'sound'? Who? Where did it come from? Why? I have heard only one track from about 1990 with that sound:
Quadrophonia- Quadrophonia (part one) is from 1990 (this is the 1991 version though as the older verision won't work on youtube! A beast of a tune...
Altern8 - Activ8 (Come With Me), a very sexy classic from 1991! Who invesnted that sound?
Q-Tex vs. Technosis - Kaos (Q-Tex Remix); I love thios track, thats why it was in my last mix! (who listened to the second one which was better than the first one) This is classic Scottish, the sound that Q-tex used in this remix (better than the orriginal imo) is pure sexy as!
Yet another sexy Scottish track! I have the original on vynal by Q-tex (expect to hear in a futre mix) but it is not as sexy as this version!
Ok, so who invented this 'sound'? What year & why? How? You might think im talking crazy but I love that sound! That sound it me! That sound is what I love about Hardcore (at least the old stuff!) It is so groovey, sexy & amazing I just have to know where is came from! Wre all Hardcore lovers hear so one should undertsand another's love sor such sounds yet where did the sound I love so much come from?
One more video! Cyclopede - Bad Mother****er! Some of you helped my Id this & this is a full on beats of a tune!
Ken Masters Advanced Member
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Posted - 2008/07/24 : 00:12:37
Hi smoogie, just wanted to say that I've always wondered where the ideas of rave & hardcore based tracks came from but what i'm starting to find is real links with the old skool sounds of Britian with Original Chicago House. I really advise that you have a listen to some of this stuff mate. This style was created around the same time as early hiphop, early 80's, & had it's own diehard following. This style was started by a few legendary DJ's from chicago, eg Frankie Knuckles. These guy's were the pioneers of house, spinning old disco & techno records of the time & mixing these tracks together. A lot of the piano riffs & synths that we still hear today, were invented by these legends of the Chicago House scene. I'm not to sure if they invented 'the sound' as u put it but I feel, without these guy's, Dance music would not have been the same today.
Check out the history of Chicago house below & go onto youtube & listen to the tracks that are mentioned & you'll find loads of similarity's between this early House & the early 90's rave scene. You might not be into House or even the Chicago House but i'm sure this might answer a few questions;-) It took me a while to find out what came before the early 90's scene & this is where it all began.
Here's abit of History for you mate;-)
Wikipedia
House music was developed in the houses, garages and clubs of Chicago and Detroit, and it was produced for local club-goers in the "underground" club scenes, rather than for widespread commercial release. As a result, the recordings were much more conceptual, longer than the music usually played on commercial radio. House, techno, electro and hip-hop musicians used analog synthesizers and sequencers to create and arrange the electronic elements and samples on their tracks.
House music "humanized" the new electronic instruments by combining live traditional instruments and percussion and soulful vocals with preprogrammed electronic synthesizers and "beat-boxes".
Main stream record stores often did not carry these 12 inch vinyl singles, as they were not available through the major record distributors. In Chicago, records stores such as Importes Etc., State Street Records, JR’s Music shop and Gramaphone Records were the primary suppliers of this music. The record-store Importes Etc, is believed to be where the term “house” was introduced as a shortening of "Warehouse".
The music was still essentially disco until the early 1980s when the first stand-alone drum machines were invented. House tracks could now be given an edge with the use of a mixer and drum machine. This was an added boost to the prestige of the individual DJs. Underground club DJs like Ron Hardy and radio jocks The Hot Mix 5 played Italo Disco tracks like "Dirty Talk" and the "MBO Theme" by Klein M.B.O., Early B-Boy Hip Hop tracks such as Man Parrish's "Hip Hop Be Bop" and Afrika Bambaataa and the Soul Sonic Force's Planet Rock and Looking for the Perfect Beat as well as electronic music by Kraftwerk, these genres were influential to the Chicago genre of House.
Jesse Saunders “Jes Say Records” who had club hits with more “B-boy Hip Hop” oriented tracks like “Come to Me” by Gwendolyn and “Dum Dum” as well as the Italo Disco influenced “Under Cover” by Dr. Derelict released the first Chicago home made house hit, “On and On” (1984) which had hypnotic lyrics, driving bassline, and percussion. This was the first house record pressed and sold to the general public and presaged many later genres of electronic dance music such as acid trance.
In 1985, Mr Fingers's landmark "Can You Feel It?"/"Washing Machine"/"Mystery of Love" showed a jazz-influenced, lush, sound that was created using a Roland TR-707 and Juno 6 synthesizer. This song helped to start the trend for the Deep house genre, which had a slower beat of 110-125 bpm. In the same year, Chip E.'s "It's House" is a good example of the Chicago House Music style. In 1986, Phuture's "Acid Trax" (1986) showed the development of a house music subgenre called acid house which arose from experiments with a 303 machine by Chicago musicians such as DJ Pierre.
Early house recordings were Jamie Principle and Frankie Knuckles' "Your Love"; "On and On" by Jesse Saunders (1985) and Chip E.'s "The Jack Trax" featuring the songs “It’s House” and “Time to Jack”, which used complex rhythms, simple bassline, sampling technology, and minimalist vocals. By 1985, house music dominated the clubs of Chicago, largely in part due to the radio play the music received on 102.7 FM WBMX which was the brainchild of Program director Lee Michaels through WBMX's resident DJ team, the Hot Mix 5.
The Roland TB-303 bass synthesizerThe music and movement was also aided by the electronic music revolution - the arrival of cheap and compact music sequencers, drum machines (the Roland TR-909, TR-808 and TR-707, and Latin percussion machine the TR-727) and bass modules (such as the Roland TB-303) gave House music creators even wider possibilities in creating their own sound. The acid house subgenre was developed from the experiments by DJ Pierre, Larry Heard (Mr. Fingers), and Marshall Jefferson with the new drum and rhythm machines.
Many of the songs that defined the Chicago house music sound were released by DJ International Records and Trax Records. In 1985, Trax released "Jack the Bass" and "Funkin' with the Drums Again" by Farley Jackmaster Funk. In 1986, Trax released "No Way Back" by Adonis, Larry Heard's (as Fingers Inc.) "Can You Feel It?" and "Washing Machine", and an early house anthem in 1986, "Move Your Body" by Marshall Jefferson, which helped to boost the popularity of the style outside of Chicago.
In 1987, Steve 'Silk' Hurley's "Jack Your Body" was the first House track to reach No.1 in the UK Top 40 pop chart. 1987 also saw M/A/R/R/S' "Pump Up The Volume" reach No.1 in the UK Top 40 pop chart. In 1989 Hurley transformed Roberta Flack's soft ballad "Uh Oh Look Out" into a boisterous dance track. S'Express's "Theme from S'Express" (1988)is an example of a disco-influenced, funky acid house tune. It uses samples from Rose Royce's song "Is it Love You're After" over a Roland 303 bassline. In 1989, Black Box - "Ride on time" (which sampled Loleatta Holloway's 1980 disco hit, Love Sensation) hit number 1 in the UK top 40 and Technotronic's song "Pump Up the Jam" (1989) was one of the early house records to break the top 10 on the US pop charts. A year later, Madonna's "Vogue" went to number one on charts worldwide, becoming the highest selling single on WEA up to that time. In 1992, Leftfield's song "Release the Pressure" helped to introduce a new subgenre of house called progressive house.
House music also had an influence of relaying political messages to people who were considered to be outcast of society. It offered for those who didn't fit into mainstream American society, especially celebrated by many black gays. Frankie Knuckles made a good comparison of House saying it was like "church for people who have fallen from grace" and Marshall Jefferson compared it to "old-time religion in the way that people just get happy and screamin'" (30). Deep house was similar to many of the messages of freedom for the black community. Both House CDs by Joe Smooth, "Promised Land" and Db "I Have a Dream" give similar messages of Martin Luther King's "I Have a Dream" speech. House was also very sexual and had much mystic in it. It went so far as to have a "eroto-mystic delirium" (31). Jamie Principle's "Baby Wants to Ride" begins in a prayer but surprisingly is about a dominatrix who seduces a man to "ride" her through the rest of the song. House dance itself is a lot older than house music, which arose in the late 1970s upon the end of the disco era during the times of such nightclubs as Chicago's Warehouse, New York's Loft and Paradise Garage. House dance takes from many different dance elements such as the Lindy era, African, Latin, Brazilian, jazz, tap, and even modern.
House dance has been debatingly broken down in 3 styles: Footwork, Jacking, and Lofting. It includes a variety of techniques and sub-styles that include skating, stomping, and shuffling. It also incorporates movements from many other sources such as whacking, voguing, Capoeira, tap, and Latin dances such as salsa. A wide variety of the movements came from jazz and bebop styles and even from African and Latin descent.
One of the primary elements in house dancing is a technique that came from Chicago that involves moving the torso forward and backward in a rippling motion, as if a wave were passing through it. When this movement is repeated and sped up to match the beat of a song it is called jacking, or "the jack." All footwork in house dancing is said to initiate from the way the jack moves the center of gravity through space
House music especially Deep House was a jarring kind of genre in music which brought the immoral and different aspect of the sexual and minority in the forefront. House was definitely concerned with the sensuality of the body and setting oneself free-- without the worry of outside barriers
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ferocious New Member
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Posted - 2008/07/24 : 14:41:12
I don't quite get what "sound" you are exactly picking up on Quadrophonia and Altern8 as the sound can encompass the entire song (besides Altern8 was a (breakbeat) hardcore act). You mean the main hooks?
These go back all the way back to techno and house (Todd Terry in particular) from the 1980s. It was the music from the USA that impacted into western Europe in the late 1980s.
Pretty much all music in any style from these years used what can be said (in UK speak) are techno sounds, as opposed to the (IMO overused boring bland) trance sounds nowadays.
Quadrophonia and Altern8 aren't using the notes in the same kick-duh-kick-duh offbeat structure that are characteristic of say Kaos (Q-Tex Remix) at 0:24 and equate to what is bouncy. They may have the same note sound but not the same note arrangement and assembly of other parts.
Here's a few other examples of the "sound"... I grew up on these type of records.
Check the notes at 0:40 and in particular the amazing notes at 1:55. This is what is "techno". Frankly the best music created. You could say this is harder than Quadrophonia but that's another subject.
The 0:19, 0:49, 2:18, etc are just techno notes (thus jungle techno) with different backing assembly (breakbeats, subs and ragga samples) which differentiates the style from Resse's track above.
There is stacks of all this music from this time. Much more than online. Altern8 and Quadrophonia are more the known stuff.
As I say, they aren't necessarily arranged with emphasis towards the fast kick-duh-kick-duh way that Scott Brown did (why he did this is unknown). They are all just notes with types of keyboard sounds that aren't classed as trance.
There could be kick-duh-kick-duh parts in a few old dance records somewhere, though they likely won't be considered as a defining characeterist of that music. ie: other records of the same style won't have them.
That track sounds alot like Seduction's Hardcore Heaven, another well known track using that sound!
It has the same voice sample (can't make out what it says) but the rift sounds like it is on a similar 'note', just not as high pitched lol
Also the I know that the sample from the Underground Resistance tune was used in 'Time to burn' by Storm! We should all know that track & I know they sampled one bit of it! If anything that track although a bit more commercial also ued that same sound as late as 2000! I loved that before I even discovered Hardcore lol
Smoogie Advanced Member
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Posted - 2008/07/24 : 19:04:37
Here is another example: Active Force- Italia which arrived this morning! (with other classics) This track was the the infamous Carl Cox live at Fantazia, Big bag (November 1993) but know one knew the name of it but I at last found the complete tracklist (somewhere) & found it out to be Italia! This track is just stabs & sounds sexy!
As hard kicks where only just starting to come in at the time & this track isn't the hardest out there & it isn't much in the way of breakbeat it is still very good for it's time! Davie Forbes was part of Active Force & has also used such sounds in his other tracks! I don't have a clue why it is called 'Italia' as I havn't heard much Italian tracks like it lol (but im sure there are some)
Ken Masters Advanced Member
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Posted - 2008/07/24 : 21:07:01
Sorry Smoogie, haven't had a chance to check it out mate, been so busy with my station the past few day's. I'll check it out asap mate. Glad you liked mine;-)
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A beast of a tune...
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