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95_was_the_time
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 Posted - 2008/10/03 : 21:58:40
at work, I just got told I was listening to 'working class' music. that kind of offends me. While rave did come out of the working class Britons early 90s, I don't think (by now, 2008.. ****me, nearly 2010) I should be labled this. I come from a middleclass family but I've hung around with troublemakers in my school years and teens, thus, a crappy job so now Im a working class hero :p
but how can you tag a style of music (in 2000 and ****ing 8) working class music. by the way the guy who told me this was a total loser who listens to chart music and r'n'b.
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Mortis
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Posted - 2008/10/03 : 22:04:42
Dunno how anyone could say any music is "working class". I don't think you can pegion hole any music into classes like that.
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95_was_the_time
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Posted - 2008/10/03 : 22:08:55
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Originally posted by Mortis:
Dunno how anyone could say any music is "working class". I don't think you can pegion hole any music into classes like that.
well there is a tiny bit of truth in it, working class mothers in the 60s apparently listened to northan soul / motown. but hardcore rave in the 90s was for EVERY class.
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Meathead
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Posted - 2008/10/03 : 22:15:27
My sister said to me hardcore is chav music too. Did make me laugh seeing as how she listens to hip hop & RnB and i've heard plenty more chavs listen to that than hardcore. But i don't mind being labeled working class as, well, i am i suppose. But something like music shouldn't be labeled the same way. Something that spans so many classes and cliques (Indie kids, Ravers, Hip-Hoppers) shouldn't be individually assigned by genre to a certain group of people. It is laughable that people like you said: "in 2000 and ****ing 8" are still narrow-minded enough to say shite like that.
Christ what's going on mate? I've actually found myself agreeing with you recently! It's eerie lol
Anyway, i believe a beat-down will sort this loser calling you a chav out, good and proper. 
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Mortis
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Posted - 2008/10/03 : 22:39:45
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Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
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Originally posted by Mortis:
Dunno how anyone could say any music is "working class". I don't think you can pegion hole any music into classes like that.
well there is a tiny bit of truth in it, working class mothers in the 60s apparently listened to northan soul / motown. but hardcore rave in the 90s was for EVERY class.
Ok, so truth in what then? Hardcore being working class music? Or the fact that "apparently" working class mothers in the 60's listened mostly to northan soul/mowtown?
My point was I don't think you can put music into a particular class structure in that way. No "apparently's" involved. I'd like to see your source for that little gem of knowledge.
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Shades
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Posted - 2008/10/04 : 00:49:45
lmao at this thread
your lucky they called it working class....... our music by the majority... is mostly labeled with unemployed chav's & drug addicts , i'd of took that as a compliment!!!!!
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Jay-Owen
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Posted - 2008/10/04 : 02:06:33
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Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
at work, I just got told I was listening to 'working class' music. that kind of offends me. While rave did come out of the working class Britons early 90s, I don't think (by now, 2008.. ****me, nearly 2010) I should be labled this. I come from a middleclass family but I've hung around with troublemakers in my school years and teens, thus, a crappy job so now Im a working class hero :p
but how can you tag a style of music (in 2000 and ****ing 8) working class music. by the way the guy who told me this was a total loser who listens to chart music and r'n'b.
Why is working class an offense? I'm from a middle class family with working class backgrounds, and am a lot prouder of my proletarian side than my 'bourgeois' side.
And why does listening to R'n'B make him a loser? I listen to R'n'B, Pop and Hardcore. A bit of diversity wouldn't do you any harm, mate!
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warped_candykid
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Posted - 2008/10/04 : 02:53:58
Hmmm...I dont really see many wealthy young adults/adults at the raves I attend. I guess dancing in an old, hot and dirty warehouse doesnt appeal to the rich. I guess that's why they have their fancy clubs to go too.
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Lilley
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Posted - 2008/10/04 : 05:02:26
In Australia its mainly school/uni students. usually fairly well off... thats more hardcore and hardstyle, not the oldskool rave. that culture really doesnt exist in Aus. there may be one old skool event a year over here.
If anything was workign class music, i would say its the old pub rock, cold chisel and alternate rock of the 90's even going toward ACDC and some of the heavier stuff of old. You see a lot more blue collar listenign to hat than happy hardcore
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Rayovac
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Posted - 2008/10/04 : 05:28:58
Around where I live (NW Arkansas) I guess I should consider myself lucky compared to you guys. Most people around here don't even know what hardcore and it's subgenres are. When they hear some of it, they act like they're listening fingernails on chalkboard. In the end they don't know what to think. Though one time a police officer asked me if I was going to a rave or something when he heard my music blasting.
Online I've been called various things, such as "chav", "moron", "druggie", "candy kid", and "crackhead" for listening to it.
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Smoogie
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 Posted - 2008/10/04 : 09:57:39
I come from what could be considered 'Lower Middle Class' but at school all the estate kids thought I was 'rich' because I didn't have a lunch ticket (I went to the roughest school in Poole)
I don't think music has to do with class though! The rave scene came out of the late 80s Acid House scene & people of all races & backgrounds raved together! Sure alot of chavs like Hardcore but they also like all other 'Urban' music just like alot of none chavs do!
I consider myself 'Working class' as I go to work full time but must be middle class because my house is a bungallow which used to be my Grandad's & we modernised it so you could come round & think we were well off but my parents worked their way up!
My old house was victorian & the Upper Parkstone area where I was from was said to be 'Artisan' which in the 19th centure where 'skilled workers'. The Parkstone area was also where the railway workers, genrel employed (police, shop clerks, labourers ect) & the 'better off working class' lived. Most British towns in the late 19th/early 20th centuries had areas like this where people was steady jobs who were neither rich nor poor lived. I myself use the term 'Lower Middle Class' because there is this silly stigma that being middle class makes you rich, stuck up & arogant! 
Back to the classes that listen to Hardcore, I once heard Dougal & Gammer's 'Fires in the sky' blaring out of a vicorage once!  Now that is class 
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Fishy
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Posted - 2008/10/04 : 12:30:56
Lol why care, lsiten to whatever u want
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Posted - 2008/10/04 : 12:53:42
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Originally posted by Fishy:
Lol why care, lsiten to whatever u want
wow that been a while since u where here rite Oo
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Fishy
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Posted - 2008/10/04 : 12:55:28
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Originally posted by dj bugbear:
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Originally posted by Fishy:
Lol why care, lsiten to whatever u want
wow that been a while since u where here rite Oo
sure is mr Bugbear:P
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Project-Industrial
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Posted - 2008/10/04 : 16:41:17
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Originally posted by Fishy:
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Originally posted by dj bugbear:
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Originally posted by Fishy:
Lol why care, lsiten to whatever u want
wow that been a while since u where here rite Oo
sure is mr Bugbear:P
hows you doing then man :)
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pinkdevil16
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Posted - 2008/10/04 : 19:45:41
I think rave is for any1, most genres dont have a class guess a few do bt think most of it is bout personal taste
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