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Jimmygoat
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Posted - 2008/10/09 :  19:28:23  Show profile View artist profile Send a private message  Visit Jimmygoat's homepage View the linked resource
Ok, so we are on the attack at the moment with releases that vary from the norm.

Have a listen to the clips- it will be no surprise that you wont like many or any of the new releases, but all feedback can be understood!! WOuld love to hear a run down of reactions, especially from the hardscape list below.

There is a new genre called hardscape. There are no events, its not popular and nobody has played a full set of 'Hardscape' yet. What is exciting for us making it is that we can do what we want. One producer called Electrux has gone down a kind of Techno root, Orbit1 has done some complex percussion in a sort of Euro style, yet there is still a theme, have a listen:
Electrux- Blizzard
http://www.moas.co.uk/audio/hardscape_clips/Electrux-Blizzard_Hardscape_clip.mp3

Electrux- Power
http://www.moas.co.uk/audio/hardscape_clips/Electrux-Power(Hardscape_Mix)_clip.mp3

Orbit1 H2SO4
http://www.moas.co.uk/audio/Orbit1-H2SO4clip.mp3

Cube::Hard Culture Shift
http://www.moas.co.uk/audio/hardscape_clips/CubeHard_Culture160clip.mp3

CLSM- Hardscape
http://www.moas.co.uk/audio/CLSM_Hardscape_clip.mp3

Afghanistan
http://www.moas.co.uk/audio/afghan165clip.mp3

CLSM and Billy Bunter- Rock That Sh1t
http://www.moas.co.uk/audio/rockthatclip.mp3

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New 'Hardcore'? stuff
Dionne- Different place
http://www.moas.co.uk/audio/Dionne-Different_Placeclip.mp3

Eufeion and Jekyll- Go Dj
http://www.moas.co.uk/audio/Eufeion_and_Jekyll-Go_DJclip.mp3

CLSM- Pressure Rush
http://www.moas.co.uk/audio/CLSM-Pressure_Rush_clip.mp3

Dj Wink- Gotta Believe:
http://www.moas.co.uk/audio/Dj_Wink-Gotta_Believe_clip.mp3


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DJ_Axiom
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Posted - 2008/10/09 :  20:04:56  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit DJ_Axiom's homepage
Love the new Hardscape, I think its absolutely wicked.

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SPOOX
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Posted - 2008/10/09 :  20:43:31  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit SPOOX's homepage
That Hardscape stuff sounds quality!! Cheers for the samples. Good choonage there.

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Audio X
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Posted - 2008/10/09 :  21:21:13  Show profile View artist profile  Send a private message  Visit Audio X's homepage
Hardscape seems like what Freeform wants to be. I approve.

Apparently most of my kickdrum tracks fall under this category as well somehow. I shall have to explore this further...




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Edited by - Audio X on 2008/10/09 21:21:52
Jimmygoat
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Posted - 2008/10/09 :  22:23:52  Show profile View artist profile  Send a private message  Visit Jimmygoat's homepage
Thats interesting- i know there will be some discussion regarding Freeform, however if you say 'Freeform' to most people they immediatly think of certain producers and more importantly a certain sound- something which this has never intended to be.

Its lots of fun as no sales are expected and that strangely liberates us from sticking to rules or styles to 'sell' or get played. Its created a strange thing where musically you can try stuff, wheras the successful people are stuck in a rut, whether by their own choice or not, with off beat basslines a must, a snare, hit hat and ride sounding just like the others!

If you can work out anything good or bad about these tracks then it would be interesting.


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Mortis
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Posted - 2008/10/09 :  22:54:41  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Mortis's homepage
I'm sorry, I've tried twice now to find some kind of difference between these clips and other tracks that are considered more mainstream. I just can't see what this "hardscape" thing is meant to be. To me it's still just hardcore, most of the clips are a bit darker than most hardcore that's around which for me has nearly always been a CLSM trait, but it's not different enough to be deemed new imo.

Sorry guys, not seeing the "new" in this "new" genre.


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Edited by - Mortis on 2008/10/09 22:59:04
sense_of_hardcore
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Posted - 2008/10/09 :  23:07:14  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit sense_of_hardcore's homepage
Some good clips there. As for the Hardscape sound, well there are some subtle differences, the kickdrum arrangement stands out, Audio X has a point about it sounding a bit like the old Freeform sound which at times had a lower BPM than an average hardcore track and the structure is similar.
Still it sounds cool.


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Jimmygoat
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Posted - 2008/10/09 :  23:31:50  Show profile View artist profile  Send a private message  Visit Jimmygoat's homepage
Mainstream hardcore tracks use almost exactly the same snare/clap sound off beat bass, vocals in every track. A good example of this not being the case are the electrux tracks which are everything hardcore is not, the kickdrum is thundering, the percussion is loop based and i would expect that a mainstream hardcore head would find it very boring, plus its between 10 and 15 bpm slower. In fact its quite hard to find similarities with that stuff.

In terms of being new its a seperation of styles. Technology moves on but i dont think we will see the emergence of anything actually new such as was the emergence of drum and bass. I do see your point until I start thinking about it-... just kidding, you do have a point but i have highlighted the difference (even though it may seem slight to you). More, more.


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Posted - 2008/10/10 :  00:28:12  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Meathead's homepage
Does it really have to be 160-165bpm? I don't get it i'm afraid, is it supposed to be hard dance? I like the clips there but i gotta agree with Mortis. I just don't see it as unique enough to be it's own genre. It's good don't get me wrong but it just sounds like slowed down GOOD hardcore (the type of stuff on Hardcore Underground etc) or freeform. I dunno i'm just thinking to me it sounds like it should just fall under freeform. But hey ho, good luck with it.

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Posted - 2008/10/10 :  01:13:54  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Leto's homepage
It's all music, and to me this is certainly different than UK Hardcore.

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Brian K
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Posted - 2008/10/10 :  04:26:55  Show profile  Send a private message
to me these sound like typical clsm releases...which always sounded different than what most people were putting out.

I want more =P would also like a revival of no trix...


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Posted - 2008/10/10 :  07:38:44  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit danjel's homepage
Me like Cube::Hard - Culture Shift :)

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Jimmygoat
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Posted - 2008/10/10 :  08:53:14  Show profile View artist profile  Send a private message  Visit Jimmygoat's homepage
Ok, speedwise it makes it a timy bit easier to get more heavy wih it a little slower, however anything above 160 means you can pitch it up to play around a hardcore speed if you want.

By all means call it freeform, telephone exchange vibe clacktor, hardcore or the long distant rumbles of Hempton Packett- as above, its just music.

Warning: Hardscape.


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Posted - 2008/10/10 :  12:40:34  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit bulby_g's homepage
Man those are some sweet tunes.

Where do I buy?.. get?... whatever...


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_firefly_
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Posted - 2008/10/10 :  12:52:39  Show profile View artist profile  Send a private message  Visit _firefly_'s homepage
Hardscape is a fresh and exciting movement. There is already a lot of diversity and its barely started which is a good sign. Hopefully it wont become stale or corrupt like freeform has done.



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Posted - 2008/10/10 :  12:53:41  Show profile View artist profile  Send a private message  Visit _firefly_'s homepage
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
Man those are some sweet tunes.

Where do I buy?.. get?... whatever...



www.clsm.net

click on the random animal, think its a giraffe.


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