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Smoogie
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 Posted - 2009/01/22 : 16:49:03
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I don't know. I find your views fairly annoying. As do I Smoogie's, Watson's and redwingz', but I guess I've gotten used to people with a short memory
lol I don't have much memories of the Thatcher era but I do remember high school which haunts me to this day in my dreams...
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Posted - 2009/01/22 : 16:57:31
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well, thats all down to musical taste, im just saying it turns the milk sour on hhc.com - 4 years ago we had a few good members who left and im sure it was partially down to the politics of hhc.com..
If you cant discuss and have a fare argument over politics, and leave without bitter thoughts, thats your problem. People these days dont know shit about politics. And these are issues that are important, like more important then "whats your favourite drug" or a "cock ring that has some sort of counter" FFS :P At one point moderators (before i was a mod) locked all political threads. I almoust left this site alltogether at that time.
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Watson.
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Posted - 2009/01/22 : 17:33:08
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Originally posted by jenks:
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Originally posted by The Doc:
He must be laughing all the way to his pay cheques! He's f**ked the country up bad style and left Gordon Brown in shit creek without a paddle! Now that's a clever man! (or his wife, if a few of us realised) He waited to the last moment to "leave" and now just sits back and watches it all fall down! the next election is a tory win guaranteed!
How so?
Purely and simply because of the amount of debt that the country is in. We spend all the surplus that was earned during the economic good times, AND borrowed on top of that. Simple Keynesian economics says that you save your surplus and use it to subsidise the country when things aren't so good.
Instead, we're now having to borrow at silly levels to keep the country afloat. This has to be paid back, we'll all be paying for Blair and Brown's mistakes when things pick up a bit and the debt needs paid back.
Blair and Brown are not to blame for the recession, but they did not leave us in a good position to deal with it when it came.
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Ken Masters
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Posted - 2009/01/22 : 17:37:11
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Originally posted by Jay-Owen:
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Originally posted by The Doc:
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
well, thats all down to musical taste, im just saying it turns the milk sour on hhc.com - 4 years ago we had a few good members who left and im sure it was partially down to the politics of hhc.com..
i'm sure people on here are not going to leave this site for ever because i've posted a thread about government politics! and if they do, well, that's stupid!
I don't know. I find your views fairly annoying. As do I Smoogie's, Watson's and redwingz', but I guess I've gotten used to people with a short memory
 you saved me the hassle Jay! Lets all vote tory & we can all live happily ever after!  Infact, while were at it, we might aswell have a look back @ all the good times of Tory power............ *ponders on the good old days*
Thats enough sarcasm for one day! 
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Posted - 2009/01/22 : 17:44:49
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Originally posted by Watson.:
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Originally posted by jenks:
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Originally posted by The Doc:
He must be laughing all the way to his pay cheques! He's f**ked the country up bad style and left Gordon Brown in shit creek without a paddle! Now that's a clever man! (or his wife, if a few of us realised) He waited to the last moment to "leave" and now just sits back and watches it all fall down! the next election is a tory win guaranteed!
How so?
Purely and simply because of the amount of debt that the country is in. We spend all the surplus that was earned during the economic good times, AND borrowed on top of that. Simple Keynesian economics says that you save your surplus and use it to subsidise the country when things aren't so good.
Instead, we're now having to borrow at silly levels to keep the country afloat. This has to be paid back, we'll all be paying for Blair and Brown's mistakes when things pick up a bit and the debt needs paid back.
Blair and Brown are not to blame for the recession, but they did not leave us in a good position to deal with it when it came.
I fully understand you point watson but when thatcher was in power she alomost drove Scottish people to the point of starvation & we were on a very, VERY thin line.
She tried to squash the scottish economy & take all scottish buisness down south. I know that not all Tory leaders will be as ruthless as her but its just a reminder as to why people like that can't come into power!
Labour offers an equal living opportunity for everyone in the UK which IMO is the way it should be but Tory's couldn't give a rat ass about us Scots, or the Irish for that matter & if the tory's were to regain power then i'd be all for Scottish independance as theres now way we could go through that modern day torture again!!!
Don't get me wrong though, i'm not for Scottish independance but if the tory's were to come into power then SNP would have my vote 
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Posted - 2009/01/22 : 17:46:55
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Originally posted by whispering:
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
well, thats all down to musical taste, im just saying it turns the milk sour on hhc.com - 4 years ago we had a few good members who left and im sure it was partially down to the politics of hhc.com..
If you cant discuss and have a fare argument over politics, and leave without bitter thoughts, thats your problem. People these days dont know shit about politics. And these are issues that are important, like more important then "whats your favourite drug" or a "cock ring that has some sort of counter" FFS :P At one point moderators (before i was a mod) locked all political threads. I almoust left this site alltogether at that time.
If someone comes onto a Hardcore website & leave's due to political differences then that is a sad, sad day. For the music to bring us all together then to leave over another's opinion! Thats laughable
They were probably trying to make a point with their leaving, what a waste!
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Watson.
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Posted - 2009/01/22 : 18:35:57
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I fully understand you point watson but when thatcher was in power she alomost drove Scottish people to the point of starvation & we were on a very, VERY thin line.
She tried to squash the scottish economy & take all scottish buisness down south. I know that not all Tory leaders will be as ruthless as her but its just a reminder as to why people like that can't come into power!
Labour offers an equal living opportunity for everyone in the UK which IMO is the way it should be but Tory's couldn't give a rat ass about us Scots, or the Irish for that matter & if the tory's were to regain power then i'd be all for Scottish independance as theres now way we could go through that modern day torture again!!!
Don't get me wrong though, i'm not for Scottish independance but if the tory's were to come into power then SNP would have my vote
The Tory vote hasn't recovered in Scotland because of Thatcher. I don't think Cameron and Co will quite go about the way she did. Of course, the circumstances back then were different, Scargill in particular has a lot to answer for. The unions needed to be brought down a peg or two, but Thatcher went a bit too far with them. With the amount of losses suffered though, it's understandable why Thatcher is deeply unpopular with many.
I was young when the Tories were last in power. I'll judge them on their merits when/if they win. The Scottish parliament are now responsible for business etc in Scotland, it's up to them to keep it here. We've a different set of circumstances this time, I don't think the blame for failings in Scotland can really be layed at the door of Westminster due to devolutuion.
I won't be voting for Scottish independence if the Tories win. I think we're far safer in the union than alone. You have to consider that RBS, which would prop up a Scottish economy significantly is currently in a terrible state, and is being proped up by UK Government (ie taxpayer) cash. An independent Scotland would have likely seen it go under, I doubt we'd afford the bail out.
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Meathead
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Posted - 2009/01/22 : 19:54:04
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Originally posted by whispering:
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
well, thats all down to musical taste, im just saying it turns the milk sour on hhc.com - 4 years ago we had a few good members who left and im sure it was partially down to the politics of hhc.com..
If you cant discuss and have a fare argument over politics, and leave without bitter thoughts, thats your problem. People these days dont know shit about politics. And these are issues that are important, like more important then "whats your favourite drug" or a "cock ring that has some sort of counter" FFS :P At one point moderators (before i was a mod) locked all political threads. I almoust left this site alltogether at that time.
But is it something that should really be discussed on a Hardcore forum? Seriosuly?
Tbh im sick and ****ing tired of hearing about how the country is ****ed! Whether it is, or it is infact over-hyped, page-filling, scare-mongering goodness from newspaper journalists isnt important. I get enough of this bollocks form the clueless ****wits at work, i dont particularly want it slapped across my computer screen at home (and before anyone says "if you dont like it dont read it" the topic was clearly titled "Tony Blair" not "the economy is ****ed" so i had no idea before i clicked i thought - and hoped - it might be a humorous thread about Tony Blair and his wife breaking into the adult home movie market so sh!).
Ill be avoiding this topic now so any reply anybody posts shall not be read by mine eyes  please no politics on HHC.com? huh? Think of the children! wont someone please think of the children!
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Ken Masters
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Posted - 2009/01/22 : 22:45:28
personally, I love these debates! This is when you find out who the smarter, more open minded members are & who's got the IQ of a fish!
& may I also add, i'd never hold anything that someone says in here, against them when it comes to further discussions in other threads. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions & appreciate that!
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tru bass
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Posted - 2009/01/22 : 22:52:50
i refuse to get involved in this conversation..
last time i had a political argument/discussion/fight i got really really really worked up
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Posted - 2009/01/22 : 23:42:23
dont get me wrong, i love these debates (im still here arent I? lol)- i was just saying that it does put a wet one on what usually is a friendly atmosphere..
i think i was partially down to blame as well - cause up until 5 years ago i was a bit of a bush-bashing-american-disliking moronbigot with no other reason for it than the BBC/newspapers told me so..
anywayyyy - i do feel like going full fling at it to be honest
Americans Rock, Europe is lame.
come on, bring it on - losers! :)
(yes i like to swing it back round to america, thats what really gets the bigots going hehe)
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by all means carry on with it - it would seem i managed to sway the entire thread in a completly different direction with just one small statement.
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whispering
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Posted - 2009/01/23 : 10:01:51
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
cause up until 5 years ago i was a bit of a bush-bashing-american-disliking moronbigot with no other reason for it than the BBC/newspapers told me so..
I use one forum where most US users are republicans, and many of them have really changed my view on the republican party. Not my cup of tea, i'm what most in US would call a "communist" (i lean towards social democrats on many issues), but i "get it".
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Posted - 2009/01/23 : 10:41:44
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Originally posted by tru bass:
i refuse to get involved in this conversation..
last time i had a political argument/discussion/fight i got really really really worked up
hahahahahaha you just did get involved duh
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Posted - 2009/01/23 : 13:15:01
yeaaa - and im not saying i particularly favour bush, im not a republican, but back then i was just a bit of a sheep lol
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Smoogie
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 Posted - 2009/01/23 : 15:10:31
Mag Thatcher was alright some of the time! She didn't take away school milk as most people think as it was still going in the early 90s when I was at school!
I think John Major was good though, im sure he made many ladies fall at his feel when he winked to them through his glasses! 
If Dave Cameron came to power it would be a laugh I think! Some people put him down coz he went to a privert school but at least he is educated to a certain extent! Saying that Thatcher went to a state funded comprehensive & was (belive it or not) from a working class background- living above her father's green grocer shop! Not alot of people know that or she was northen! (she lived in Grantham in Lincolnshire)
The only thing that have annoyed me about the Tories is they didn't like comprehensive schools! I would have loved to gone to a comprehensive! (I went to a mean Secondary Modern  ) Then again Labour didn't make every school follow that trend either which always makes me angry!
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