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 Posted - 2009/01/28 : 13:19:40
orbit 1 studio mixes are at a quality speed
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Fluffbomb
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Posted - 2009/01/28 : 13:26:36
I do wonder whether the DJs playing tunes at 180 bpm+ ever get people dancing!?!
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Revs
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Posted - 2009/01/28 : 14:15:11
Most of the time I play my mixes at 182-188 BPM. But it all depends on my mood, sometimes I go up to 210, and it sounds good. You just have to slowly get used to it, during the mix.
I never go under 180 because some tracks ( like Freeform tracks ) are already at 180 and I think it sounds weird when it's pitched down. So I try to get everything pitched up rather than pitched down.
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lozowen
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Posted - 2009/01/28 : 14:16:13
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Originally posted by Fluffbomb:
I do wonder whether the DJs playing tunes at 180 bpm+ ever get people dancing!?!
hahahaha do you even know what your talking about?
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Posted - 2009/01/28 : 14:37:03
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rayo: I'd love to see you mix all your tracks without pitching them up.
Usually Happy/UK Hardcore is pressed at 174 BPM, but because of warping n stuff, that's never true with vinyl :P
Personally I would never go below 180BPM when I mix
From what I've seen the RB type stuff is 170BPM, the NG/BB/EVO type stuff is 175BPM.
Alot of the MP3s I buy are at 175BPM as well (all the Gammer/Orbit1/Joey Riot/etc. stuff). Mixing on CDs/digital is such a joke these days :P
I produce at 175BPM because most music sounds better pitched up, and I (and most North American DJs) play at 180BPM. I usually play at 180BPM because that's ~3% more than 175BPM and ~6% more than 170BPM so tracks are usually one or two semitones higher pitched, so it sounds good.
I find anything past 185BPM sounds terrible.
My ideal speed is definitely 180BPM. 170BPM is WAY too slow for me.
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Ph33rViper
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Posted - 2009/01/28 : 14:51:36
When I mix with Vinyl I can mix between 176 - 185 BPM depending on the vinyls.
I normally do 183BPM. when I miix with CD's I do 185BPM
I think any hardcore DJ that mixes below 176BPM is doing it too slow but over 185 BPM is is too fast.
So at the end of the day i would mix at 180-185BPM
But I can do any BPM :D
I can mix Trance at 130-145BPM but normally I have it set at 140BPM
It also depends of course on what BPM is set for the actual track as well and how well it sounds pitched up.
I do hate it when tracks dont sound good at all when they are pitched up as well.
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2009/01/28 : 15:20:31
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I do wonder whether the DJs playing tunes at 180 bpm+ ever get people dancing!?!
180 isn't really that fast.
I play at pretty much every rave in Ottawa and definitely get people dancing ;)
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SPOOX
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Posted - 2009/01/28 : 17:15:37
Depends on how hyped I'am. If I'm hyped right up i tend to play choons a bit faster.
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warped_candykid
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Posted - 2009/01/28 : 17:16:11
Well what I am getting at here is that I am not mixing, I just buy the track and burn it to a cd just for listening pleasure. I was just thinking that since I put a track under 175bpm up to 185bpm, it just make sense to put a track made at 175bpm-180bpm up to 190bpm, its kind of like making up the difference. No Left Turn played close to 200bpm when he came to Nashville, (The promoter told me this afterwards), and he had the room jumping the whole set! so yes Fluffbomb, we Americans love the speed.
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Posted - 2009/01/29 : 12:35:44
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Originally posted by Fluffbomb:
I do wonder whether the DJs playing tunes at 180 bpm+ ever get people dancing!?!
hahahaha do you even know what your talking about?
Yes thanks as I've probably been into hardcore longer than you.
No doubt there are people who prefer dancing to the higher tempo but overall IMHO it alienates more people than it attracts. Also from a DJ set point of view running at 180bpm+ can reduce track selection options. There are a lot of tracks using already pitched up vocals so playing them at +5/6 just goes too far but heys thats just my opinion. I still prefer the 160-165bpm tunes of '93-'95 where the energy came from breakbeats rather than just playing everything too fast.
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Posted - 2009/01/29 : 13:08:58
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No doubt there are people who prefer dancing to the higher tempo but overall IMHO it alienates more people than it attracts. Also from a DJ set point of view running at 180bpm+ can reduce track selection options. There are a lot of tracks using already pitched up vocals so playing them at +5/6 just goes too far but heys thats just my opinion. I still prefer the 160-165bpm tunes of '93-'95 where the energy came from breakbeats rather than just playing everything too fast.
Every single commercially released CD in the UK is too slow, which make them sound boring.
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Posted - 2009/01/29 : 13:26:58
Technohead - Happy Birthday and Technohead - i want to be a hippy were both released on cd single here...and they werent slowed down :P
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Posted - 2009/01/29 : 13:56:43
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Originally posted by Fluffbomb:
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Originally posted by lozowen:
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Originally posted by Fluffbomb:
I do wonder whether the DJs playing tunes at 180 bpm+ ever get people dancing!?!
hahahaha do you even know what your talking about?
Yes thanks as I've probably been into hardcore longer than you.
No doubt there are people who prefer dancing to the higher tempo but overall IMHO it alienates more people than it attracts. Also from a DJ set point of view running at 180bpm+ can reduce track selection options. There are a lot of tracks using already pitched up vocals so playing them at +5/6 just goes too far but heys thats just my opinion. I still prefer the 160-165bpm tunes of '93-'95 where the energy came from breakbeats rather than just playing everything too fast.
guarentee if you start playing tunes at 160 - 165bpm at a good uk hardcore rave your gonna deter way more people than you would playing them at 180bpm
180 is pumping and always gets the dancefloor going, always. i cant see how u would be deterred when faster pace makes you wanna move more!
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Posted - 2009/01/30 : 12:31:40
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guarentee if you start playing tunes at 160 - 165bpm at a good uk hardcore rave your gonna deter way more people than you would playing them at 180bpm
180 is pumping and always gets the dancefloor going, always. i cant see how u would be deterred when faster pace makes you wanna move more!
The slower tempo Hard Dance played in the main room at Slammin vinyl normally goes down ok.
Worth remembering that the Hardcore scene was huge compared to todays and they were running between 130-150 bpm. Lots of people moved onto house music when the tempo kept rising. IMHO playing faster is not necessarily better!
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Posted - 2009/01/30 : 14:48:25
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Originally posted by DjSamination:
rayo: I'd love to see you mix all your tracks without pitching them up.
Usually Happy/UK Hardcore is pressed at 174 BPM, but because of warping n stuff, that's never true with vinyl :P
Personally I would never go below 180BPM when I mix
*facepalm* I didn't mean IN mixes. I meant in general. Of course you'd probably have to do some speeding up in mixes and I'm fine with that. But outside of mixing I usually leave tunes at their original tempo.
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