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Meathead
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 Posted - 2009/03/06 : 13:45:33
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by Simon098:
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KRK Rokit 8s
I got the KRK RP8 G2s DEFINATELY recommend them.
You won't be disappointed, especially if you have an XLR system. ;)
****in costly though. Got so much more stuff i need to buy so i might have to cut the monitor budget. Seen a pair of the Rokit 8s on ebay for 320 though so may have to grab them.
How big is your room?
Also, just so you know, rokit 8's in the grand scheme of monitors are cheap.
Haha really? Christ on a bike.
Dain-Ja: About 2.5 metres x 4 metres. But i may be moving my comp into a smaller room soon will that be better or worse?
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2009/03/06 : 13:51:13
That's a very small room, so you can probably get away with Rokit6s or even Rokit5s
In a really big room like my studio the extra bass response from the 8s is a plus but it'll probably be too much in a 2.5x4 room...
Plus, you'll be running them at 2% of max volume
Influx, can you confirm?
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Posted - 2009/03/06 : 14:14:31
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
That's a very small room, so you can probably get away with Rokit6s or even Rokit5s
In a really big room like my studio the extra bass response from the 8s is a plus but it'll probably be too much in a 2.5x4 room...
Plus, you'll be running them at 2% of max volume
Influx, can you confirm?
So for a smaller room the Rokit 6s would be best? Excellent! Much cheeper than the 8s theyll do for me. 
Nice one Dain-Ja!
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Posted - 2009/03/06 : 15:03:32
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
That's a very small room, so you can probably get away with Rokit6s or even Rokit5s
In a really big room like my studio the extra bass response from the 8s is a plus but it'll probably be too much in a 2.5x4 room...
Plus, you'll be running them at 2% of max volume
Influx, can you confirm?
Smaller room - smaller woofers.
It depends a lot on the acoustics of the room but yeah in general i'll agree with that.
The better the acoustics in the room the more bass you can manage, but in regards to just pure size with no additional acoustic treatment that is a VERY small room. You could quite easily get away with 6's or even 5's but the trade off of that is the smaller bass response. This is exactly why i dont like genelec 8030A's, even though people rant on about them.
Try and get away with a bigger room so you can accommodate the bigger woofers because ultimately it'll help you in the long run.
Having monitors is only 50% of the battle because then you have to place them and then worry about acoustics.
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Posted - 2009/03/06 : 15:14:22
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
That's a very small room, so you can probably get away with Rokit6s or even Rokit5s
In a really big room like my studio the extra bass response from the 8s is a plus but it'll probably be too much in a 2.5x4 room...
Plus, you'll be running them at 2% of max volume
Influx, can you confirm?
Smaller room - smaller woofers.
It depends a lot on the acoustics of the room but yeah in general i'll agree with that.
The better the acoustics in the room the more bass you can manage, but in regards to just pure size with no additional acoustic treatment that is a VERY small room. You could quite easily get away with 6's or even 5's but the trade off of that is the smaller bass response. This is exactly why i dont like genelec 8030A's, even though people rant on about them.
Try and get away with a bigger room so you can accommodate the bigger woofers because ultimately it'll help you in the long run.
Having monitors is only 50% of the battle because then you have to place them and then worry about acoustics.
FFS the problems never end 
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Posted - 2009/03/06 : 16:58:56
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
That's a very small room, so you can probably get away with Rokit6s or even Rokit5s
In a really big room like my studio the extra bass response from the 8s is a plus but it'll probably be too much in a 2.5x4 room...
Plus, you'll be running them at 2% of max volume
Influx, can you confirm?
Smaller room - smaller woofers.
It depends a lot on the acoustics of the room but yeah in general i'll agree with that.
The better the acoustics in the room the more bass you can manage, but in regards to just pure size with no additional acoustic treatment that is a VERY small room. You could quite easily get away with 6's or even 5's but the trade off of that is the smaller bass response. This is exactly why i dont like genelec 8030A's, even though people rant on about them.
Try and get away with a bigger room so you can accommodate the bigger woofers because ultimately it'll help you in the long run.
Having monitors is only 50% of the battle because then you have to place them and then worry about acoustics.
FFS the problems never end
Hardly anyone has a perfect listening environment. Some just have better than others.
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Posted - 2009/03/06 : 17:16:14
yeah, my studio room is huge and I still have some nice dips and peaks in my bass/lower mid range
unless you're treating your room you'll always have problems like that
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Posted - 2009/03/06 : 17:30:21
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yeah, my studio room is huge and I still have some nice dips and peaks in my bass/lower mid range
unless you're treating your room you'll always have problems like that
but you can do simple things to improve your acoustics a fair bit.
Ill find where i made a huge post on HP about improving your own scoustics at home.
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Posted - 2009/03/06 : 17:34:47
Taken from a post on hardcoreproduce.org that i made about speaker positioning.
I've got a Presonus inspire.
It's relatively cheap and does me well - only problem is that it has RCA outs (4 of them) so you're going to have to get RCA>XLR cabling and also, RCA's are ungrounded, so you might have some problem with background noise when no signal is passing through the speakers. Once a signal is passing through, it dissipates, however.
One thing that helps with background noise from no grounding is good cabling. Just make sure you don't get really cheap, sub-standard cabling and you should be fine.
Don't forget - with monitors you'll want to try having either the tweeter at ear height, or the woofer at ear height - it's a he said, she said thing and theres no proper placement in regards to that - its just personal preference.
Your monitors will want to be as far from each other as they are from you - so you and the two monitors form an equalateral triangle, and you'll want to have the monitors facing in at a small angle so its directing sound towards your ears.
If you can, get monitor stands, theese tend to hold them at the right height. If you have an untreated room (like every other bedroom studio) then there are simple things you can do to get the best possible sound out of your monitors:
1) Use a carpeted room - a lot of people say this is most significant thing you can do to avoid sound bouncing around the room.
2) Put heavy curtains over windows and don't put monitors next to a window
3) Don't put the monitors on a hard surface like a desk - either get mopads (google it) or buy some rubber from clarke rubber and put a couple of inches down between the speaker and the hard surface - itll help a LOT trust me.
4) You want to give about a metre betwen your speakers and a wall - sound reverberates from the back of the speaker almost as much as the front.
5) don't have your speakers in a corner - obviously that's going to bounce around sound quite a bit.
6) Try to have each speaker equal distance from an opposing wall - it's all about balance.
7) Try to sit about 1 metre - 2 metres away from your speakers - and don't have them going full blast.
8) Monitors take a while to "wear in" so to speak - after a couple of sessions youll notice the sound will change slightly (or if you use them frequently you'll just notice your mixdwons will get better. A lot of people claim that running pink or white noise through the monitors at a low volume can speed up the process of wearing in the speakers - try it, it can't hurt.
After the proper soundcard, proper cabling and proper set up with your monitors, you'll be rockin' it in no time.
Just make sure you follow as many points as possible of those 8 - every single one makes a difference.
And one about acoustics: (some repeated info)
Your monitors should form an equilateral triangle. This means that the monitors themselves should be equal distance from each other as they are from your ears. For nearfield monitors this is usually aorund 1.5 M (in my experience).
All monitors have a "sweet spot" where you'll be able to hear everything that's going on a lot better than the area around it. Nearfields are meant for this and are designed specifically for this purpose - they target sound.
Monitor positioning is all about finding the sweet spot and making the location of the sweet spot where your head would be normally when you're monitoring sound.
There is large debate whether the woofer or the tweeter should be at ear heigh. I prefer tweeter at ear height, although i know some who prefer woofer at ear height, and i've also seen people put their monitors on their side to have to avoid making this decision, although all this does is make the woofer or tweeter further away from your ears horizontally instead of vertically.
Acoustics-wise, A perfectly cubical room is the worst possible environment to monitor in. Laying down carpet on the floor and putting thick curtains over windows are two of the best things you can do for the environment of your monitoring.
Keep your monitors away from walls (at LEAST a metre away) as monitors do not have perfectly soundproof casing, nor do i think they intend to. The way woofers work is that they are pulled in, and then pushed out by magnets which is the bass that you hear. As you could imagine, there are two directions the woofer is moved - out and in. This in turn pushes sound out the back of your monitors as well as the front - so to avoid reverberation from the walls, you'll wanna keep the back of the monitors away from walls and windows. Glass reverberates pretty badly.
Putting monitors on secure stands that sit naturally at ear height are really good for enhancing the sound of your monitors, also get mopads, but it sounds like you got something similar. When monitors are encased tightly into position, and positioned correctly the sound should feel like it "surrounds" you. If it does, and you can hear everything perfectly cleanly, then you've got your sweet spot.
That's pretty much all i can think of at the moment without going into specific acoustics like bass traps and what not.
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Posted - 2009/03/06 : 18:17:33
Ill definitely be givin that essay a read when i think i can manage it lol. Nice one mate!
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