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Triquatra
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 Posted - 2009/03/15 : 00:19:36
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Originally posted by Jay-Owen:
Basically a hardcore track that doesn't use a 4X4 kick, in short
what?
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Fishy
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Posted - 2009/03/15 : 00:29:36
Freeform is good hardcore. And whats this about it not havin 4x4 kicks? most of them do
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MAtRiCks
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Posted - 2009/03/15 : 01:23:32
I see struggling @ defining freeform all over this thread! :P
Differences between Freeform and UK Hardcore are very hard to define... I guess Freeform is whatever comes out from the N.E.C?
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Meathead
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Posted - 2009/03/15 : 01:54:58
Few traits of Freeform, correct me if im wrong please. Acid lines, not using generic off beat basses instead using double off beat bass, rolling basses etc, can be very much more euphoric making use of strings and pads even full on violin breakdowns (check out Eryk Orpheus - P.V.C.), or dark (few Lost Soul tracks ive heard are a good example of this).
Acid lines/303 basslines seem to be the most common traits of most Freeform (which is a contradiction in itself).
You could check out stuff by the N.E.C. crew as Matricks said. FinNRG(?) also.
Shades of grey explained it quite well, but lots of UK Hardcore tracks have started to implement the same ideas so its all becoming slightly merged. Also Freeform has long been stuck in its same pattern, using the same sounds and basically not living up to what it was always meant to be. Free. Free of restrictions, rules and regulations. Apparently, Hardscape is now what Freeform set out to be. I dont know ive not listened to much but id check that out.
Sorry if this post seems a bit rambled btw, it is 2am sunday morning lol
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Ken Masters
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Posted - 2009/03/15 : 05:26:40
Not many have defined Freeform in this thread at all
Freeform is Trancecore. Its use of Trance based melodies is what sets it apart from Hardcore. OK its used a lot of varied styles of Hard dance music in more recent times but its basic structure is that of Trance, or even Hard Trance 
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choonland
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Posted - 2009/03/15 : 06:18:20
me listening generic freeform in the subway (not really me)
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näkkk
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Posted - 2009/03/15 : 09:01:47
The definition is in the name :p You can form it whatever way you want, taking influence from any genre/style :)
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Lilley
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Posted - 2009/03/16 : 09:14:28
This is why the clsm crew tried to start up their hardscape genre. Everyone is trying to define freeform and catalogue it into a neat small box.
Essentially, anything edm at hardcore speed is under the banner of freeform. the producers are free to use any form they feel like, be it hardcore dnb, breaks, bouncy techno, trancecore, happy hardcore or a mixture of the forms.
All happy hardcore tracks can be classed as freeform as can all trancecore tracks. Its like in swimming, in the event freestyle, swimmers are free to swim in any style they please, though only australian crawl is used, leading to the understanding of the australian crawl stroke as the freestyle stroke, which it isnt.
This problem with freeform, that "freeform tunes" are rarely free of form, but tagged to one form. For example, most of the tracks on Freeformation are very similar in style. Trying to limit freeform by calling it trancecore or happy hardcore is against the definition of the word. A track can be freeform as long as it fits under the hardcore flag.
The one style I would say is not covered by freeform is dutch hardcore. I think they would get very offended if we tried to label their music freeform. A gabber track by a traditionally freeform hardcore producer could be classed as freeform though.
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2009/03/16 : 09:25:30
thats not what it said on the CLSM website - hardscape was/is supposed to be where freeform was going the first time round..
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Revs
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Posted - 2009/03/16 : 12:09:17
Here's a Freeform mix which will give you a general idea of what it sounds like and what it's made of :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwPNr1bq43k&fmt=18
I love that mix.
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Meathead
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Posted - 2009/03/16 : 16:29:22
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Originally posted by Lilley:
The one style I would say is not covered by freeform is dutch hardcore. I think they would get very offended if we tried to label their music freeform. A gabber track by a traditionally freeform hardcore producer could be classed as freeform though.
I agree with pretty much everything you said there pal but, how do you work that one out?
It wouldnt be them making a track thats free of form just because they always make Freeform, it would be a Freeform artist making a Gabber track. Same if a typically Gabber artist made a UK Hardcore tune, it wouldnt be Freeform it would be UK Hardcore (Happy - whatever you wanna call it)
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Dave E-Ssential
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Posted - 2009/03/16 : 18:18:02
Freeform - freedom of form - doesn't stick to a tried and tested formula - pushes the boundaries of the genre... no need to overanalyse - simple as that! 
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MAtRiCks
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Posted - 2009/03/16 : 18:54:27
I find that's a bit too vague, Dave-E-Ssential
For example, the elctro-influenced hardcore tracks we've been seeing these last years were definitely pushing the boundaries of the genre, at least at first, but I don't think they were ever considered as Freeform.
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Lilley
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Posted - 2009/03/17 : 06:34:49
quote:
Originally posted by Meathead:
quote:
Originally posted by Lilley:
The one style I would say is not covered by freeform is dutch hardcore. I think they would get very offended if we tried to label their music freeform. A gabber track by a traditionally freeform hardcore producer could be classed as freeform though.
I agree with pretty much everything you said there pal but, how do you work that one out?
It wouldnt be them making a track thats free of form just because they always make Freeform, it would be a Freeform artist making a Gabber track. Same if a typically Gabber artist made a UK Hardcore tune, it wouldnt be Freeform it would be UK Hardcore (Happy - whatever you wanna call it)
i think you took a bit of a side note further than i intended it. But, yes it would be a gabber track. However, it can still count as freeform in the broad sense that freeform can be anything. I was hanging a lot on the could.
The difference with the reverse is that freeform is typically a UK hardcore term. So, yeh i agree with you on that, unless holland has a similar freeform "genre" (lack of a better word). However I believe that over there, it wouldnt be called freeform, it would be called turning gay.
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Posted - 2009/03/17 : 09:17:40
quote:
Originally posted by Meathead:
quote:
Originally posted by Lilley:
The one style I would say is not covered by freeform is dutch hardcore. I think they would get very offended if we tried to label their music freeform. A gabber track by a traditionally freeform hardcore producer could be classed as freeform though.
I agree with pretty much everything you said there pal but, how do you work that one out?
It wouldnt be them making a track thats free of form just because they always make Freeform, it would be a Freeform artist making a Gabber track. Same if a typically Gabber artist made a UK Hardcore tune, it wouldnt be Freeform it would be UK Hardcore (Happy - whatever you wanna call it)
it's like dj kurt, he's made a number of "gabber" songs including straight from the underground & ruffride provider.
it's not gabber. it's uk hardcore.
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