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Triquatra
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 Posted - 2009/04/28 : 18:51:35
ok, so my boy will eventually be 4 years old...and will have to go to school, i cant be bothered to rant on and on and on..because im really hungry and im waiting for pasta to cook
i cant find any non-christian schools here in england...more specifically where i live in the lake district. in the states they have wonderful laws about this sort of thing, keeping the brainwashing masses out of schools - aparently here in england, no such laws exist
i go on google typing in things like
"non christian school uk"
"what if i dont want christian values forced on my child"
"dont want to send my child to a christian school"
and ALL you get coming back is crap from pro-christian websites "have you tried praying?" rubbish
i have nothing against them and i have nothing against oliver learning about their religion, but what i have a problem with - is that our local school has crucifixes plastered all over it.
i want my son to have a non-biased view of all these religions and be able to make an educated choice when he is old enough, as to what he wants/or doesnt want to follow - of course that sort of talk seems to scare alot of christians, as education about other religions tends to put a dampener on their "one true god" philosiphy...
as a child going to a regular public school in england, i was forced to sing hymns, and forced to say grace before we went into the school hall to eat - and forced to go to church, and forced to listen to some vicar at assembly
young minds are so easily influenced - and i dont want my child constantly bombarded with christian symbolism and philosphy...ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
my mums going to buy him a bible for christmas (which he will know the TRUE meaning of) and shes going to be mighty disapointed to see it sitting in his room, along side works from other religions.
so yeah - we're considering home schooling, but im not happy about the social side effects of that...so i really hope that i can find a better option
huh - i guess i did go into it lol
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Revs
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Posted - 2009/04/28 : 19:23:13
Yeah, I can understand what you mean, that's weird. I think it's the same with schools over here, however I go to a private school, actually the best one in the whole country, and it's a non-religious school.
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Posted - 2009/04/28 : 19:26:27
you went to one and it didn't screw you up. my little brother went to one, and he is the biggest hedonist i know today.
i consider myself a christian, however, not religious. i went to church til i was 16, every weekend.
if your kid is meant to be a christian, he's going to do it one way or another, if you find a christian school or not. why stand in the way of progress, why not send him? i'm sure all the kids don't want to be there. eventually, when he is old enough to make the decision for himself, he'll choose what he wants or doesn't want to follow. for the time being, it might make him develop at least a respect for it.
they're not going to force him to drink brainwashing curdled blood out of a skull (a la indiana jones temple of doom).
i wouldn't sweat it dude. it can't be all that bad.
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Posted - 2009/04/28 : 19:31:25
My school was Christian really. Think first school was but as you get older it vareys more?
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Posted - 2009/04/28 : 19:41:28
you could make the same argument for being a muslim, or a jehovah's witness....or a nazi
not sending him to a christian school isnt standing in the way of progress in the slighest - he would still learn about christianity - just right along side the other religions and as non-biased as it can be.
sending him to a christian school would be the ultimate standing in the way of progress, because his views would be tainted by a "one true god" philosphy, which is not going to happen.
the point is - he will choose when he is older - and has learnt all he can - where he can then come to a rational choice.
People are changed and formed with their surroundings, and im not having my child influenced with one religion over the other.
how do you know i turned out just fine?! lol
because of the teachings that were forced down my throat from birth i was afraid to get married outside of a church - and i couldnt tell you WHY i didnt want to get married outside of a chruch, it was just "the way"..it wasnt until i was about 17 or 18 i finally managed to get around all of that....i had to go over everything i ever learnt and re-learn it without the christian taint that had been installed in me.
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Posted - 2009/04/28 : 20:02:52
I hear u man, the church is ****ing nazi
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whispering
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Posted - 2009/04/28 : 20:08:37
Here they teach a subject called ...religion. Its pretty much pro christian or evangelic lutheran, though they do teach some stuff about other religions there too. If you dont want to go there (dont belong to the church etc) then you can study a subject called "Elämänkatsomustieto" instead. Dont know how to translate that, but AFAIK they teach about morals, ethics, identity, culture and other non religious yet "spiritual" stuff there.
Still there is some mild (tradition based) religious stuff in the school, they sing one religious song in the spring when school ends.
In short, send your kid to a finnish school ;) Were usually number one, or right up there in the pisa tests ;)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4073753.stm
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2009/04/28 : 20:14:00
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Originally posted by Fishy:
I hear u man, the church is ****ing nazi
well im glad you agree - though i wouldnt call them nazi's lol
whispering, thats cool..i have to find out how schools run these things these days - there are soo many people other than christians, there has to be a way they run it for them too!
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Posted - 2009/04/28 : 20:19:47
Heres a newer test, still on top :p
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7126562.stm
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Posted - 2009/04/28 : 20:25:46
lol - a test carried out by the french, and reported on by the english bbc...
.can we trust it?...neither of which are in the top 10 for above average ;)
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Posted - 2009/04/28 : 20:40:25
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
whispering, thats cool..i have to find out how schools run these things these days - there are soo many people other than christians, there has to be a way they run it for them too!
What i find funny is that youre "choosing school", here unless you want some special school, you're kids will go to the school in their region. We dont really even have private schools here.
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Posted - 2009/04/28 : 20:49:26
yarr, the other option is to home school...and while we're happy to do that if it comes down to it - im not fond on the social side effects...
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Posted - 2009/04/28 : 20:56:42
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
yarr, the other option is to home school...and while we're happy to do that if it comes down to it - im not fond on the social side effects...
Dont home school, just dont. Have you visited/called the local school that is near your house and asked how does a non christian study there?
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Posted - 2009/04/28 : 20:58:09
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Originally posted by Vitalism:
you went to one and it didn't screw you up. my little brother went to one, and he is the biggest hedonist i know today.
i consider myself a christian, however, not religious. i went to church til i was 16, every weekend.
if your kid is meant to be a christian, he's going to do it one way or another, if you find a christian school or not. why stand in the way of progress, why not send him? i'm sure all the kids don't want to be there. eventually, when he is old enough to make the decision for himself, he'll choose what he wants or doesn't want to follow. for the time being, it might make him develop at least a respect for it.
they're not going to force him to drink brainwashing curdled blood out of a skull (a la indiana jones temple of doom).
i wouldn't sweat it dude. it can't be all that bad.
ur argument is f**kin stupid. by your definition, you can say the same4 thing about feeding livestock rotting human flesh. if it doesn't give you any health risks, then why bother arguing about it?
i agree with Triquatra. there should be a separation of church and state in countries such as US, Australia and UK/England when there are such a diversity among people in cultures and customs. forcing some form of religion at a young age i don't believe is a good idea, especially when the parents are trying to educate their kids their own way on how religion works. it's like math teachers, they always have different methods that they prefer you use in order to solve problems. I've run into that situation here in the states many times.
and yea we have separation of church and state here in the US, but it seems sometimes that only works in metropolitan areas. small hick towns still implement religion in their curriculum somehow. i will say i am christian, but i sure as hell don't learn anything from going to church and reading the bible.
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Posted - 2009/04/28 : 21:06:04
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
forcing some form of religion at a young age i don't believe is a good idea, especially when the parents are trying to educate their kids their own way on how religion works.
If he desides to take hes kid to a non christian school, he IS educating hes own perception of the world and how religion works to his kid.
Atheism = religion
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Posted - 2009/04/28 : 22:03:49
hehe
well, who said i was an atheist? :)
i just want what I think is best for my boy, and what I think is best, is a fair and balanced view on life, the universe, and everything.
teaching a child 80% christian views and then a small mix of 20% other "acceptable" religious views - isnt fair at all.
im feeling better now - i was very angry earlyer.
and whilst on that thought and answering whispering at the same time - this whole thing stemed from a visit to the most local school for a baby/parent evening type thing.
i hope to drop this for a while, keep my blood pressure down about it - and come back to it in a year or two when its getting a little closer to the time..
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