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choonland
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 Posted - 2009/08/16 : 05:47:07
I've recently thinking about the lenght of hardcore tracks...
and I am basically wondering whats the point of making 6-min tracks, if DJs will only play 2- 3 min...
I feel likes its a waste of effort or something...
what are your thoughts on this matter?
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frozt
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Posted - 2009/08/16 : 06:13:56
I've heard DJs saying the first year or so, they'll play the full track but after that they'll mix out. I guess just don't make tracks that can be mixed out after the first drop?
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Mortis
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Posted - 2009/08/16 : 10:36:59
As far as I'm concerned a track should try to tell a story (if you know what I mean). You don't see people only writing half a book.
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2009/08/16 : 11:06:20
or painting half a picture
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Starstruck
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Posted - 2009/08/16 : 11:10:55
or building half a house
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whispering
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Posted - 2009/08/16 : 11:19:05
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
or painting half a picture
Yeah, but the sides are always under the frames. Same way as most Hardcore tracks are good only when you cut the mixing intro/outro off (there are exceptions, offcourse).
On a side note, many of Naturatech's own tunes need to be listened from start to finish to catch the mood properly.
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Project-Industrial
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Posted - 2009/08/16 : 11:38:31
long 6 minute tracks are nice if your starting out so you get less mixing to do and you can entertain the crowd more. if you as a dj like to do fast mixing ya can just aswell go with short tracks and step up a notch by mixing as much tracks as fast as possible sounding good and pumping up the crowd that way. its basicly wot a dj is aiming for. besides... i notice in my own mixing that it sometimes takes some time to beatmatch which kinda makes me do a long transmission in which half the track sometimes dissapears.. hence why theres not many left :)
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DJ SCOTT DEVOTION
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Posted - 2009/08/16 : 11:53:24
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Originally posted by Mortis:
As far as I'm concerned a track should try to tell a story (if you know what I mean). You don't see people only writing half a book.
So true:)
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Jimouk
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Posted - 2009/08/16 : 12:53:01
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Originally posted by Naturatech:
I've recently thinking about the lenght of hardcore tracks...
and I am basically wondering whats the point of making 6-min tracks, if DJs will only play 2- 3 min...
I feel likes its a waste of effort or something...
what are your thoughts on this matter?
1) Theres a reason for the extended intro/outro
2) Thats up to the DJ, sometimes I play almost the whole track.
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warped_candykid
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Posted - 2009/08/16 : 14:36:40
Tracks should stay 5-7 min. long. I see it as an energy cycle. You need to start, raise, release, and store the energy, and I dont think you can fully do that with a 2-3 min. track. I was a percussionist for 6 & 1/2 years, and all the sheet music we played would be 4-7+ min. long to get the full energy/emotion cycle out of the piece of music.
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DJ_FunDaBounce
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Posted - 2009/08/16 : 15:57:28
not all dj's mix out at 3 minutes or so. Mixing in and out that fast, DECENTLY, takes much practice and a bit of luck since choosing the right record ,beatmatching it and throwing it in the right place requires some effort, something that can't always be pulled off in a less than a minute. Also, you can't forget about the bits where the dj can scratch away to :P
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snerkler
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Posted - 2009/08/17 : 10:26:58
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Originally posted by Mortis:
As far as I'm concerned a track should try to tell a story (if you know what I mean). You don't see people only writing half a book.
I’m not so sure with Happy Hardcore/new age Hardcore you can take the crowd on a journey/tell a story as such with your tracks or sets. I guess this just depends on your interpretation. With Hardcore it lets you build the crowd up into a frenzy, but not so much take them on a journey.
If you want to take people on a journey to me you have to go back to the oldschool hardcore, with the acid lines etc. Or the Hardcore Trance stuff of the mid 90’s. If you want to go on a real journey, listen to some sets by DJ Fergus from the mid 90’s. Say what you will about his mixing, but his track selection was spot on 99% of the time, and his ability to take your mind on a journey in every which direction was uncanny.
I think any music lets you express yourself though, and with tunes you select it gives people an insight into you, and also the mood that you’re in.
As for the original post re the track length, I think it depends on your style of DJing, and the mood you're in. Sometimes I want to play more melodic stuff and so will play more of the track, sometimes I just wanna hit hard and fast and so play the main break of a track and mix straight out. As for the length of the track I think if we started making tracks that are only a few minutes in length it would be a huge mistake. There would be no freedom in writing/production, and certainly no freedom in mixing. The DJ will not be able to determine when and where he wants to start his/her mix.
Just a thought, but one reason why more and more DJ's are starting to only play small sections of tracks is due to the lack of complexity and mid section of songs these days, after the main break there's no substinence to the track to make you want to listen to more. See the topic on lack of mid section.
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snerkler
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Posted - 2009/08/17 : 10:45:52
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Originally posted by Project-Industrial:
i notice in my own mixing that it sometimes takes some time to beatmatch which kinda makes me do a long transmission in which half the track sometimes dissapears.. hence why theres not many left :)
How long have you been DJing for? The speed of how quickly you can beatmatch comes with time and practice. I can beat match the vast majority of stuff in seconds nowadays, this then gives me the chance to fine tune it, scratch, or play about with effects etc, or if I choose to, mix straight out.
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EvoDave101
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Posted - 2009/08/17 : 11:04:22
listen to gammers sets...you will then understand how sick it can be to mix out half way through a track
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Project-Industrial
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Posted - 2009/08/17 : 14:11:59
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Originally posted by snerkler:
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Originally posted by Project-Industrial:
i notice in my own mixing that it sometimes takes some time to beatmatch which kinda makes me do a long transmission in which half the track sometimes dissapears.. hence why theres not many left :)
How long have you been DJing for? The speed of how quickly you can beatmatch comes with time and practice. I can beat match the vast majority of stuff in seconds nowadays, this then gives me the chance to fine tune it, scratch, or play about with effects etc, or if I choose to, mix straight out.
few years now.. but you prolly stick with 1 style and steady tracks? just assuming.. im doing a mixture of industrial hardcore, darkcore, frenchcore.. those styles dont always have a nice beat to go on as its often just noise hehe :)
been djing uk hardcore for a while and its quite easy to beatmatch that in a few seconds same with oldschool aka early rave
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Posted - 2009/08/17 : 14:56:56
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what about bungalows ?? lol
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