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Revs
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 Posted - 2010/03/23 : 12:17:43
I know what most of you think, Clubs = clean, snobby places playing house music and raves = hardcore bieng played on meadows where everything's dirty
But today it's different, it has merged to one. Like in the 80s there were Clubs and Discos, Clubs where more like things were you were sitting and talking and the DJ wasn't so important and Discos had a large dancefloor and the DJ was like the highlight of the night.
And it's the same thing with raves. Here in Vienna, one of our clubs is an award winner for being one of the best CLUBS in europe, and having the best soundsystem, and actually it's an underground club/disco ( you can sit but there's also a dancefloor ) which plays RAVE MUSIC ( House, Drum & Bass and sometimes Hardcore ). Rave music is music which is made for partying! That means Ragga, Jungle, Drum & Bass, Hardcore, Acid, Frenchtekk, Gabber, Trance, Eurodance, House, Techno, Handsup and everything else you wish.
And in this club you don't have a dresscode, but you will most likely dress normaly so you don't look like an idiot.. It's a club yeah, you have a bar, a garderobe, a dancefloor, places you can sit, and it's not all snobby and stuff, it's dirty and ugly, it's underground and whatever they play, it's underground, and when I say they play house, I don't mean commercial music, I don't know what's with you guys thinking house is always commercial, no they play underground house, minimal, progressive and very fat stuff!
And for the thing with 60,000 people..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fveZMupCnbU
And as you can see in the top left corner, there's the RTL2 logo, one of Germany's biggest TV chanels, where it was streamed :)
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Posted - 2010/03/23 : 12:56:46
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Originally posted by DJ Revs:
I know what most of you think, Clubs = clean, snobby places playing house music and raves = hardcore bieng played on meadows where everything's dirty
But today it's different, it has merged to one. Like in the 80s there were Clubs and Discos, Clubs where more like things were you were sitting and talking and the DJ wasn't so important and Discos had a large dancefloor and the DJ was like the highlight of the night.
And it's the same thing with raves. Here in Vienna, one of our clubs is an award winner for being one of the best CLUBS in europe, and having the best soundsystem, and actually it's an underground club/disco ( you can sit but there's also a dancefloor ) which plays RAVE MUSIC ( House, Drum & Bass and sometimes Hardcore ). Rave music is music which is made for partying! That means Ragga, Jungle, Drum & Bass, Hardcore, Acid, Frenchtekk, Gabber, Trance, Eurodance, House, Techno, Handsup and everything else you wish.
And in this club you don't have a dresscode, but you will most likely dress normaly so you don't look like an idiot.. It's a club yeah, you have a bar, a garderobe, a dancefloor, places you can sit, and it's not all snobby and stuff, it's dirty and ugly, it's underground and whatever they play, it's underground, and when I say they play house, I don't mean commercial music, I don't know what's with you guys thinking house is always commercial, no they play underground house, minimal, progressive and very fat stuff!
And for the thing with 60,000 people..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fveZMupCnbU
And as you can see in the top left corner, there's the RTL2 logo, one of Germany's biggest TV chanels, where it was streamed :)
amen to that sir.... Sorta what i was saying...
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Posted - 2010/03/23 : 13:08:11
Wilky it's not your fault when people are 15 years arrear lol
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Posted - 2010/03/23 : 14:49:39
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Wilky it's not your fault when people are 15 years arrear lol
no but it pisses me off when kids try arguin the toss... Then start threstening... Grow the **** up man... Tryin to teach ya little frazzled mind lmao
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Posted - 2010/03/23 : 14:53:06
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Wilky it's not your fault when people are 15 years arrear lol
15 years what?
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Posted - 2010/03/23 : 15:04:26
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Wilky it's not your fault when people are 15 years arrear lol
15 years what?
i assume he meanrg 15 years behind
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Posted - 2010/03/23 : 18:42:09
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/arrear
You don't say that?! Haha oops
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Posted - 2010/03/23 : 19:07:08
Lol, your using it in a completely different context to how it's meant to be used thats why :P
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Posted - 2010/03/23 : 19:18:46
Oh okay lol
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Posted - 2010/03/24 : 02:19:36
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps4Znk0lIjI&feature=related
try the whole city of rotterdam
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Posted - 2010/03/24 : 09:54:36
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try the whole city of rotterdam
I tried it.
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Posted - 2010/05/04 : 14:54:27
You can never admit your wrong Wilky can you?? Your so ignorant and arrogant. Why don't you do us all a favour a shut that dumb farkin mouth of yours which makes no sense and has no idea. You know and everyone else knows that the rave and clubscene are two different scenes. Hardcore will never be considered as club music you stupid wanker!!
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Posted - 2010/05/04 : 16:35:45
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Sweet As is right and remains to be right. The fact that Hardcore events here are held in clubs dosn't change what it used to be and still is elsewhere. Even at the raves held at clubs there is no dress code and never has been. There is a huge difference between a rave and an event playing very mainstream music, as far as the people are concerned, even if they are both held in the same venue.
This.
I would never refer to myself as a clubber. The scene, the style of music, the attitude, the venues (some exceptions - hardcore nights in clubs are more common now), the dress and the people are very different.
I don't know anyone who goes out on a Friday night in their local town centre to somewhere that's playing mainstream matertial and says they are going to a rave, at the same time I don't know anyone who goes to a DnB/HappyHardcore/etc.. event and says they are going too a club. I personally perceive the club and rave to be two very different things as do the friends I have who represent both sides.
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Posted - 2010/05/08 : 16:49:46
I started off in going to clubs in 1990 and started raving in 1994. Both are mutually exclusive cultures. I like most genres between 130bpm and 175bpm, but, my true love is hardcore. Over the years i have met many people both in the club scene and the rave scene. I like to look at this at the point of view of the promoter. Most raves in Sydney that I goto nowdays get about 3,000. Back in 1996 when Ultrasonic and Alien Factory played at MDMA 2, they had to construct a marque that held 10,000 ravers. You just could not fit that amount of ravers in a club. Clubs are by far more intimate atmosphere and you will hear a wider variety of genres than at a rave. Those people that believe that a rave promoter would hold an event in a club that is likely to attract 3,000 ravers are kidding themselves. They would lose over half of their intended customers because most are under 18. And vice versa, do u honestly think a club promoter would put on an event a place like Acer Arena, the venue for the basketball finals of the Sydney Olympics, when they know they would have to organise a shit load of internationals to get a crowd. Club promoters draw the crowd cause they provide genres which are popular for older people and they earn money off both the bar and the door price. However, the majority of a rave promoters revenue comes from ticket sales. Another big difference between promoting at a club and a rave is that of public liability. One of the biggest cost of a rave is the public liability insurance, whereas in a club, the owner of the club bears all the liability. You would find this is the major reason why a rave is held in a club.
Another thing to consider is the vibe of the two cultures. Nothing i have experienced back in 94-96 at raves compares with anything i have experienced over the years i've been clubbing and raving. Clubs have a completely different vibe. This is directly related to the type of personalities that go to a club. The people that go clubbing are often of a higher social economic status than compared to ravers. This is mainly due to clubbers being well established in their careers since they are older. Ravers have a more care free attitude than compared to clubbers and are often less judge mental than clubbers.
At a rave where u hear many different genres they are all in different rooms. I may have got this wrong, but, there seems to be some comments here that suggest that clubs play different genres in the same room. A rave promoter would never do that because different genres attract different crowds and you would lose potential customers by using just one room.
Also, as has been said, genres with much harder base lines are heard at raves. Whereas, softer baselines are mainly heard in clubs.
Also, one may go to a club that plays rave music, but, not all clubs play rave music. Most clubs play that commercial dance crap to the mainstream, thank god i found raves. Most people don't listen to techno. Most listen to what the mainstream commercial radio stations play and this is what they like to hear when they go to clubs. You would never hear commercial dance at a rave.
To say that clubbing and raving is the same is like saying god is the devil. To say that, you don't understand the fundamentals of both cultures.
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Posted - 2010/05/09 : 05:21:56
don't know where you pulled the bit about clubers being older and established in careers. In sydney, 75+% of clubbers would be between 18-21. I would guess that is the same over the world.
Also, there are a few on here that say the events powerhouse hosts are not strictly raves. One person in particular said if you have to pay more than a token entrance fee to be part of it, its not a rave in the classic sense.
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