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TheOneNOnly
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 Posted - 2010/04/10 : 06:50:43
Don't you just love them?
Here's a couple I had, it's kind of long:
~This started out with a kid seeing my wallpaper of a Soviet Union 'Hammer & Sickle' over the world background on my school computer, long story why it's up~
Him: What are you, a communist?
Me: The Soviet Union was a Socialist country, with a dictator leadership. You know: Union of Soviet Socialist Republics?
Him: They're the same damn thing.
Me: Except that Socialism allows the freedom of market, where as Communism does not.
Him: They're the same thing!
Me: You do realize we live in a country that is more Socialist then Capitalist, right?
Him: We're not Socialist.
Me: In how we handle things? We are.
Him: No! Socialism means, like, for every 5 dollars I have the government takes 3.
Me: Yeah, it's called the income tax.
Him: Income tax? That's not the same thing!
Me: How isn't it? Depending on how much money you make, if you're married, or single, the amount of taxes you have to pay fluctuates. Someone who makes more money will get taxed more then someone who doesn't make as much.
Him: Yeah, but in Socialism it's to make everyone equal in wealth.
Me: Well yeah, but why would you charge the same amount of taxes to everyone, regardless of what they make, if you want to make everyone equal in wealth?
Him: But, we're not charging the same amount of money for each person.
Me: Exactly.
Him: So you proved my point.
Me: No, okay that went over your head. You know the big three, and how they were failing? And how the government stepped in to save two of them?
Him: Yeah.
Me: Well, you know that in Communism all businesses are government owned right?
Him: Yeah, but what does that have to do with what we're talking about?
Me: Well, when the government bailed out Chrysler and GM, they are controlled by the government and have to follow their plan until they pay off the money they borrowed.
Him: So?
Me: You don't see the connection?
Him: No, it isn't the same.
/facepalm
~This one started with my cousin, who is older then me, as I watched my niece watch a show about these small animals saving other animals. They happened to save a lady-bug, this is what happened~
Him: A lady bug isn't an animal.
Me: Yeah it is.
Him: No a lady bug is an insect.
Me: An insect is part of the families in the animal kingdom.
Him: No, bugs aren't animals.
Me: Yes, they are.
Him: Wait, do you think we're animals?
Me: Well, yeah. No crap.
Him: We're not animals.
Me: And... why aren't we?
Him: What, we're animals because we eat meat?
Me: Herbivores are still animals.
Him: I'm not an animal.
Me: Well, then you're just ignorant.
Him: No I'm not.
Me: Do you think a great ape, or a chimpanzee is an animal?
Him: Well, yeah.
Me: Well, there you go. We're part of the primate family, who is in the animal kingdom. Just like insects.
/walksaway
/facepalm
Tell me your stupid arguments with people, because these two just baffled me today.
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Posted - 2010/04/10 : 08:46:39
In all honesty, the one that gets me the most is people who say God can't exist because there is pain in the world. Possibly the weirdest link of ill-thought logic ever. Right beside it are most other misguided anti-religion arguments
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Posted - 2010/04/10 : 09:31:57
soviet sympathizer =p
it's amazing to me how many people can't grasp simple econ...capitalism is a foreign idea to them
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Posted - 2010/04/10 : 09:49:28
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In all honesty, the one that gets me the most is people who say God can't exist because there is pain in the world. Possibly the weirdest link of ill-thought logic ever.
god dusnt exist... Tho... Religion is the biggest pile of crap ever.. We come from an alein species... Not from a god that has never shown his face but is everywhere around... Lmfao... Im up for this argument
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Posted - 2010/04/10 : 12:38:00
Soviet Union wasn't a socialist country. It was a communist country with a dictator leadership. There was no free market, all economy was controlled by Moscow and the only legal party was the communist party. Nothing is black or white though, and it used many socialist ideologies. Same as US uses many Social ideologies.
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Posted - 2010/04/10 : 12:39:25
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Originally posted by Wilky:
god dusnt exist... Tho... Religion is the biggest pile of crap ever.. We come from an alein species... Not from a god that has never shown his face but is everywhere around... Lmfao... Im up for this argument
hmmm? before we start, realise that the argument isn't about whether God exists or not. It's about whether pain and suffering in the world means definitively that God can't exist. All I have to do is demonstrate that God can exist while there is suffering in the world. If you're up for that, game on.
When it comes down to the crunch, the strongest argument against God is arguing from a science perspective. But in the end, that gets no closer to proving God doesn't exist than any of the other arguments.
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Posted - 2010/04/12 : 15:20:12
funny, that.
Also, arguments with people who think having more speed cameras is for our safety is almost as frustrating as the religion arguments.
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Posted - 2010/04/12 : 15:58:17
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Originally posted by Lilley:
quote:
Originally posted by Wilky:
god dusnt exist... Tho... Religion is the biggest pile of crap ever.. We come from an alein species... Not from a god that has never shown his face but is everywhere around... Lmfao... Im up for this argument
hmmm? before we start, realise that the argument isn't about whether God exists or not. It's about whether pain and suffering in the world means definitively that God can't exist. All I have to do is demonstrate that God can exist while there is suffering in the world. If you're up for that, game on.
When it comes down to the crunch, the strongest argument against God is arguing from a science perspective. But in the end, that gets no closer to proving God doesn't exist than any of the other arguments.
Reminded me of this story:
The professor of a university challenged his students with this question. "Did God create everything that exists?" A student answered bravely, "Yes, he did".
The professor then asked, "If God created everything, then he created evil. Since evil exists (as noticed by our own actions), so God is evil. The student couldn't respond to that statement causing the professor to conclude that he had "proved" that "belief in God" was a fairy tale, and therefore worthless.
Another student raised his hand and asked the professor, "May I pose a question? " "Of course" answered the professor.
The young student stood up and asked : "Professor does Cold exists?"
The professor answered, "What kind of question is that? ...Of course the cold exists... haven't you ever been cold?"
The young student answered, "In fact sir, Cold does not exist. According to the laws of Physics, what we consider cold, in fact is the absence of heat. Anything is able to be studied as long as it transmits energy (heat). Absolute Zero is the total absence of heat, but cold does not exist. What we have done is create a term to describe how we feel if we don't have body heat or we are not hot."
"And, does Dark exist?", he continued. The professor answered "Of course". This time the student responded, "Again you're wrong, Sir. Darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in fact simply the absence of light. Light can be studied, darkness can not. Darkness cannot be broken down. A simple ray of light tears the darkness and illuminates the surface where the light beam finishes. Dark is a term that we humans have created to describe what happens when there's lack of light."
Finally, the student asked the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?" The professor replied, "Of course it exists, as I mentioned at the beginning, we see violations, crimes and violence anywhere in the world, and those things are evil."
The student responded, "Sir, Evil does not exist. Just as in the previous cases, Evil is a term which man has created to describe the result of the absence of God's presence in the hearts of man."
After this, the professor bowed down his head, and didn't answer back.
An old urban legend to 'prove' god exists.
IMO the existance of God is a pointless arguement, people say 'Ive never seen God so he cant exist' Thats pretty dumb...have you ever seen oxygen? No, you cant see it, but we know its there.
In the same way that people cant say 'God doesnt exist because there is evil in the world' as that would mean that you are saying that existance of God would mean there is NO evil at all in the world, which in turn would mean that Humans do not have thier own minds or imagination as murderers could not go out and kill someone as that is considered evil, so in that arguement, with a God, Humans would not have control of their own actions because God would not let you commit murder. When in fact, we all know that every Human has a mind of their own and is, in effect free to do whatever they want, they just may recieve punishment.
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Posted - 2010/04/12 : 17:58:43
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Originally posted by Lilley:
quote:
Originally posted by Wilky:
god dusnt exist... Tho... Religion is the biggest pile of crap ever.. We come from an alein species... Not from a god that has never shown his face but is everywhere around... Lmfao... Im up for this argument
hmmm? before we start, realise that the argument isn't about whether God exists or not. It's about whether pain and suffering in the world means definitively that God can't exist. All I have to do is demonstrate that God can exist while there is suffering in the world. If you're up for that, game on.
When it comes down to the crunch, the strongest argument against God is arguing from a science perspective. But in the end, that gets no closer to proving God doesn't exist than any of the other arguments.
He does exist i saw his face on my dish towel.
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Posted - 2010/04/12 : 18:19:28
A lot of people here seem really smart, it amazes me when they say they believe in God. I think religion is a stupid idea and it'll eventually fade away.
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Posted - 2010/04/12 : 20:10:43
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A lot of people here seem really smart, it amazes me when they say they believe in God. I think religion is a stupid idea and it'll eventually fade away.
What's wrong with believing in something?
Is it really so stupid to have something that you believe in that, when you look at what the religion stands for, is to teach to be loving and caring to others? You can't blame how people comprehend how something is written differently then you, believe this means that when it could mean this? Religion isn't stupid, it teaches to be kind to your fellow man, don't kill someone, be respectful, etc. It's just how people act with those beliefs that is stupid, imo.
No one should ever kill in the name of a religion. No one should ever kill each other ever, but that's just not how things work in this reality. People take their beliefs to extremes for what they think something means, or that they're doing the right thing. Religion is supposed to be pure, and man corrupted it for their own gain. This is all my opinion, of course.
I'm agnostic, because I really don't know if their is a god or gods. I don't know if man was made after his, her, it's image. I just don't know, but I don't denounce a higher being(s) either. There's a lot of things that just have no explanation, at all. Science is the theory of being able to repeat something over and over with the same results. But, what's to say that if you drop a penny 8 trillion times over and over constantly for every second that maybe one time it won't go up?
Gravity? We don't even know how gravity is created. We know it's associated with large objects (i.e. planets, stars), and that the rotation of these things might be a direct cause. But, what about things like black holes? How can something that has no visible mass, have so much gravity to be able to suck in anything around it and crush it, disfigure it, and watch it disappear? Where do those objects even go? Why does light only travel in two ways, fractured (like light bulbs) and straight lines?
Too many questions, and not enough answers, imo.
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Posted - 2010/04/12 : 21:51:53
redwingz has posted some very intelligent arguments and
to completely ignore them isn't, imo, particularly wise....
I could be wrong.
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Posted - 2010/04/12 : 23:08:25
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A lot of people here seem really smart, it amazes me when they say they believe in God. I think religion is a stupid idea and it'll eventually fade away.
maybe. maybe not. who knows.
like it or not, disbelief in the existence of a god is also an act of faith in itself. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to suggest that a god doesn't exist. Therefore you are believing something in which there is no basis and is a belief of faith.
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Posted - 2010/04/12 : 23:31:20
Ignoring what Lilley has just posted strikes me as not being particularly wise either.
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Posted - 2010/04/13 : 02:11:02
indeed. the only intelletually defendable position without making a statement of assumed knowledge is agnosticism. ironically, many people will be outwardly agnostic but inwardly athiest just to appear well rounded. *cough* richard dawkins *cough*. there are other examples but he comes to mind.
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Posted - 2010/04/13 : 03:08:44
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funny, that.
Also, arguments with people who think having more speed cameras is for our safety is almost as frustrating as the religion arguments.
Reading your comments in this thread so far has been truly enjoyable lol. Literally everything have said fits perfectly with my thinking. I've not had such a comfortable read for some time, that's the only way i can describe it. It's like you've gone ahead and saved me having to type anything.
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