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kathryn
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 Posted - 2010/04/14 : 21:12:46
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Originally posted by Lilley:
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Originally posted by kathryn:
If some of you on here who are disiing him think you can do better then post links on here?
C'mon lets see.
wow. nurofen and naprogesics are readily available, you know?
and what will that prove? That they can't rip off a track as well as he can?
I don't know if he did *steal* them or not. Don't particularly give a rat's ass either way. Just find it funny if indeed he did, and it's verifiable, that he would make a statement such as that.
nurofen and what?
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Posted - 2010/04/14 : 21:16:44
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
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Originally posted by Fishy:
Maybe Scott Brown isent able to create hos own melodies
This is laughable. Scott Brown has a very distinct melodic style and he's definitely able to write his own riffs.
He may have ripped off some old trance and house for some of his tracks, but that's pretty common in hardcore. The difference is that he approached the tracks in an original way, and added to them. I can understand his frustration with hardcore producers because there's been so many people that have ripped his tracks and added absolutely nothing. They've taken "Neck Breaker" and made a crappier version, with nothing new musically, for example.
When people have interpreted his tracks, and done something original, he has often signed them. For example, Kev Willow, Johnny El, Nu Foundation all got releases on his label.
I hate when people say Elysium is a rip. Sure, the vocal snippet is a rip. Big deal! That's the lamest part of the track anyways...
As for the issue with Cat Knight - that's between him and her and I'm surprised you're airing third party rumours on the internet. If their agreement was for a session vocal, Scott Brown owns the rights to it and there's no reason why he should have to provide the acapella, especially if it's gonna lead to unlicensed remixes. Usually when that's the case, the owner of the rights pays a premium for the vocal in the first place anyways - nothing unfair about that.
I've met Scott and I've worked with promoters that have booked him numerous times. He's never seemed like an ******* when I've spoken to him.
Well I disagree on most of what you say.
First, I think it's absolutely stupid to complain about people ripping off his tracks and adding nothing to them. This always happens... But hardcore is a small scene, now imagine how many people rip trance tracks and just speed them up? There's thousands of guys who rip off the same track out there, and it's nothing comparable to Hardcore. Now the guy who made the original can REALLY feel sad. Just go and count the number of times Moonlight Shadow has been "remixed".
And secondly, no. He signed the tracks because they sounded more commercial and that's what people wanted. He even wrote on his forum: I VERY RARELY hear an illegitimate mix I like.
So it's not remixes people made and he accepted them, he just asked for them.
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2010/04/14 : 21:38:38
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Originally posted by DJ Revs:
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
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Originally posted by Fishy:
Maybe Scott Brown isent able to create hos own melodies
This is laughable. Scott Brown has a very distinct melodic style and he's definitely able to write his own riffs.
He may have ripped off some old trance and house for some of his tracks, but that's pretty common in hardcore. The difference is that he approached the tracks in an original way, and added to them. I can understand his frustration with hardcore producers because there's been so many people that have ripped his tracks and added absolutely nothing. They've taken "Neck Breaker" and made a crappier version, with nothing new musically, for example.
When people have interpreted his tracks, and done something original, he has often signed them. For example, Kev Willow, Johnny El, Nu Foundation all got releases on his label.
I hate when people say Elysium is a rip. Sure, the vocal snippet is a rip. Big deal! That's the lamest part of the track anyways...
As for the issue with Cat Knight - that's between him and her and I'm surprised you're airing third party rumours on the internet. If their agreement was for a session vocal, Scott Brown owns the rights to it and there's no reason why he should have to provide the acapella, especially if it's gonna lead to unlicensed remixes. Usually when that's the case, the owner of the rights pays a premium for the vocal in the first place anyways - nothing unfair about that.
I've met Scott and I've worked with promoters that have booked him numerous times. He's never seemed like an ******* when I've spoken to him.
Well I disagree on most of what you say.
First, I think it's absolutely stupid to complain about people ripping off his tracks and adding nothing to them. This always happens... But hardcore is a small scene, now imagine how many people rip trance tracks and just speed them up? There's thousands of guys who rip off the same track out there, and it's nothing comparable to Hardcore. Now the guy who made the original can REALLY feel sad. Just go and count the number of times Moonlight Shadow has been "remixed".
And secondly, no. He signed the tracks because they sounded more commercial and that's what people wanted. He even wrote on his forum: I VERY RARELY hear an illegitimate mix I like.
So it's not remixes people made and he accepted them, he just asked for them.
If you knew anything about production you'd know that even a trance bootleg is a lot more involved than "speeding them up".
A hardcore interpretation of a trance tune is much different from a hardcore remix of a hardcore tune. Especially if it's not adding anything new.
I know for a fact Kev Willow sent Scott his remix and got it signed. He wasn't asked to do it and he had never had a proper release before.
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Posted - 2010/04/14 : 21:48:11
Ok then please tell me how this was a lot of work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lVJTPRCf-o
it's a commercial trance to "happy hardcore" conversion!
And I think you totally missed my point.. there's many people who have done good remixes of trance or house tracks which have (the remixes) been ripped off to death.. and these people have more to complain because house and trance is a much bigger scene and that's why more people rip it.
ok that's cool for kev willow then..
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Fishy
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Posted - 2010/04/14 : 22:06:13
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
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Originally posted by Fishy:
Maybe Scott Brown isent able to create hos own melodies
This is laughable. Scott Brown has a very distinct melodic style and he's definitely able to write his own riffs.
He may have ripped off some old trance and house for some of his tracks, but that's pretty common in hardcore. The difference is that he approached the tracks in an original way, and added to them. I can understand his frustration with hardcore producers because there's been so many people that have ripped his tracks and added absolutely nothing. They've taken "Neck Breaker" and made a crappier version, with nothing new musically, for example.
When people have interpreted his tracks, and done something original, he has often signed them. For example, Kev Willow, Johnny El, Nu Foundation all got releases on his label.
I hate when people say Elysium is a rip. Sure, the vocal snippet is a rip. Big deal! That's the lamest part of the track anyways...
As for the issue with Cat Knight - that's between him and her and I'm surprised you're airing third party rumours on the internet. If their agreement was for a session vocal, Scott Brown owns the rights to it and there's no reason why he should have to provide the acapella, especially if it's gonna lead to unlicensed remixes. Usually when that's the case, the owner of the rights pays a premium for the vocal in the first place anyways - nothing unfair about that.
I've met Scott and I've worked with promoters that have booked him numerous times. He's never seemed like an ******* when I've spoken to him.
laughable? how? Just because he's big in the hardcore scene? please list me the tracks that he has written his own melodies for... Most tracks he made IS ripped from other sources... Im not saying his an ******* or anything, Ive not been to the website either. He good be a great person I cant say nothing about that. Im just doubting his musical skills, sure his good at producing and making things sound good.. Im talking about composing.
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Revs
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Posted - 2010/04/14 : 22:11:49
By the way which vocals in Elysium? The vocal shot?
I'm sure if he has ripped something from Elysium, then it's the melody..
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Fishy
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Posted - 2010/04/14 : 22:17:31
Ye its the melody, someone said what track it was ripped from also on this forum.. Cant remember what track it was tho..
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Posted - 2010/04/14 : 22:20:37
And ye I know lots of hardcore producers and other producers in other genres do it.. I just dont get why they do it:S I think the feeling of making it urself is great. Sounds bring just ripping stuff,so uncreative
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Revs
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Posted - 2010/04/14 : 22:22:46
Yeah I remember... it was also a topic about Scott Brown I think, where a lot of people listed his ripp offs..
Anyway, my point of this topic was just, that I don't like the behaviour he has. It's ok if he doesn't want his remixes to be remixed but I think it's totally idiotic to say something like "go out and write your own stuff, that's the way I did it"... that's just ridiculous
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Posted - 2010/04/14 : 22:56:53
I know some of u guys is going to argue be like "oh no dont talk like that about Scott Brown he's the king of hardcore" etc etc.. Okey just think that:) I dont care, it really doesent matter at all... I dont even listen to stuff like that anymore so its not really worth arguing about:) Or at all
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Samination
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Posted - 2010/04/14 : 23:09:00
Rofl, this is turning into another impact vs stormtrooper thread :P
anyways. I dont know where you got the original part from, but alot of his "tracks" from 1999-2003 didnt sound much different from what he originally took them from.
Blue Room, First Parable, Pilgrim (the 2k mix does change to a more original pattern tho..), Healing Mind and more sounds to 90% like the originals.
And to get around Scott Brown's whining, just go remix the original instead of his tracks :)
Anyways, my 2 cents are more about his distaste to digital sales, but now that Darren and Breeze has put up their songs on various stores, it's only Raverbaby and evolution left, and those 2 labels are basicly what people want to buy music off
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Revs
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Posted - 2010/04/14 : 23:18:53
Yeah I agree it gets on my nerves that you can't buy most of them digitally... and if you can, then a crappy 192k version for 2 pounds lol
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2010/04/15 : 00:44:28
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Ye its the melody, someone said what track it was ripped from also on this forum.. Cant remember what track it was tho..
No it's not, it's just the vocal shot
And fine, I will make a list of tracks tomorrow. There's over 100.
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Posted - 2010/04/15 : 03:20:48
Even if he ripped every track, there is so much more skill in those tracks than a lot of other peoples 'original' work that it really doesn't make any difference.
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Posted - 2010/04/15 : 07:59:47
no need for a list, we got this page :P http://www.ush.net/board/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=247841
I'm not saying that he makes crap remixes, I like alot of the music from 99-02, but I hate that he's a hypocrite and tells people to not remix him when he is/has remixed alot himself. He should tell people to remix the original tracks (wonder if he'll ever say what originals he's remixed/sampled of) instead of pissing people off
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