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Revs
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 Posted - 2010/04/28 : 20:24:23
Hi
Since I have only a year left at school I decided to go to the SAE (School of Audio Engineering) next year!
I just don't know what exactly to take: http://www.sae.edu/en-us/news_overview/1652/News
When you go over "Audio" you have 3 things:
- Audio Engineering
- Electronic Music Production
- Music Business
Music Business is learning how to be a promoter and stuff so I'll exclude this. Now I don't know what to choose, EMP or Engineering?
Music production includes:
* Electronic Musician
* DJ
* Remix Engineer
* Performer
* Assistant Sound Engineer
* MIDI Programmer
* Electronic Music Producer
* Sound Designer
* Digital Media Entrepreneur
And Audio Engineering is for:
* Studio Sound Recordist/Engineer
* Live Sound Engineer
* Mastering Engineer
* Broadcast Engineer
* Audio Post-Production
* Music & Dialogue Editor
* Location Recordist
* Music Producer
I know some of the things from the first list, but I think the rest are things I can teach to myself. The second list are more complicated things. Mastering and things like that, that's much harder I guess? I want to do something that I cannot learn alone or that would be too hard to learn alone.
What do you think is better? I can't decide and I don't know what's better. I think if I do Audio Engineering I will learn all the tricks on making crap tunes sound amazing, you know all the small details etc.
Seems like a really hard decision!
Also, has anyone already been there? I've heard a lot of bad feedback on the internet, but also a lot of good one from people I know personally. So I'd rather say it's good!
I could imagine someone like Impact doing this, maybe I'll hit him up!
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Edited by - Revs on 2010/04/28 20:27:26 |
Hard2Get
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Posted - 2010/04/28 : 22:07:24
Well the difference between the list is the music production course covers a much broader range of topics, where as engineering is just engineering. Being a producer in the traditional sense means governing many proccesses. If engineering is what you specificaly want to learn then the latter course is obviously what you want to be doing.
Don't make the mistake though of thinking you can learn by yourself and get the same results as you will from taking a course, because that is way off. When you get taught by proffesionals you can an understanding that you can simply never get by learning fragments of information. You cannot truly understand something when you only know fragments of things about it. Of course, there is exceptions, it's not impossible to learn by yourself but in most cases being taught is at least much faster.
You also have to consider other major factors. The biggest one being that you will get to meet like minded people, and make really good freinds. You can't do that sitting at home. The social aspect to this kind of thing is as good as the learning one in my opinion.
I don't think either courses are going to give you specific information on how to make electronic music. You can't teach someone how to be creative but what you will learn is the technical side of the technology used at least and that is just as important. I studied music technology for over 3 years and while it was much less specific than either of those you listed and certainly nothing direclty related to electronic music, it is certainly the best thing i ever did by a mile. If your really passionate about working in the music industry you will gain from in one way or another.
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Revs
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Posted - 2010/04/28 : 22:50:14
Thanks for the reply!
Yeah I see your point, and I agree with everything you said. The social aspect makes everything much funnier of course (I'd prefer to be in a class with other people rather than sitting alone at home in front of my screen). And I also agree on the part that you can't really learn something like that. But like you said, it's more for the technical part, and this is exactly what I need to learn. I have created great melodies (which I've all saved for later projects), samples, loops, all possible sounds, and I love all of it, it just sounds perfect to me. But what is missing is indeed that technical part. Not the things like where you're going to place a beat, but all that is mastering, engineering, etc etc. I don't have a problem with creativity. Writing music is nothing really hard to me, I play the piano since I'm 5 and live pretty much in a "musical family" (My Grandma was pianist, my Grandpa Violinist and beside his job my dad has his own Jazz band).
What I don't really understand is what Engineering is? What does it consist of? Well I heard that some people do only that as a job. They have massive studios and get tracks from Britney Spears for mastering or engineering or whatever and get paid like 100,000 for it. That's crazy. But that's not what I want to do, I just want to produce whatever I like, but now I really want to get into it.
A good thing I could do is to take a studio session with Darwin or someone, but unfortunately I live too far away.
I want to get this fresh, crystal-clear sound out of my tunes! I'll send you a song I did in your inbox and then maybe you'll understand what is missing!
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2010/04/28 : 22:58:51
Studio engineering can cover several areas in a traditional studio. So it will be recording instruments and then mixing those instruments down to a final 2-track master. An engineer can both record and mix but often an engineer will be hired purely to do the mixing and the recording will already have been done by someone else (or in the case of electronic music that has no recordings in, then a finished piece of music). If you were hired as an engineer to mix down a song that you have been given that has been recorded, then your job would be to EQ, compress, balance and generally make the song sound like you would expect to hear on the radio, from where it began as raw recordings (or again in the case of electronic music just a raw song).
If you were being taught engineering then you would be learning the principles behind EQ, compression, acoustics and pretty much the technical side to anything you can think of that's commonly used within a studio.
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Revs
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Posted - 2010/04/28 : 23:04:38
Yeah and that's what I hate doing. I prefer just playing an instrument, adding some pianos and synths and stuff, working on melodies ;) I think that's the most interesting, writing your own melody and maybe writing some lyrics, adding some vocals. Playing with all that stuff. But compressors and mastering and stuff like that is not my cup of tea lol
PS: Sent PM
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2010/04/29 : 01:16:29
Pretty sure the EMP is a diploma and the audio production course is a bachelors degree.
I'm also pretty sure that if you do the bachelors degree, you cover all the aspects of the EMP anyway.
At least that's how it was last time i checked.
But one of my best mates is halfwya through his bachelor of audio production and he's not sure whether he will finsih it as he just got employed by Q-dance, who SAE hooked him up with.
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Posted - 2010/04/29 : 01:35:23
I'm starting my bachelor next year!
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Posted - 2010/04/29 : 02:09:27
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Originally posted by Starstruck:
I'm starting my bachelor next year!
You **** bachelors all the time!
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