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nicolaslievens
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France
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 Posted - 2010/05/02 : 00:07:37
hey all :)
just question for you:
what do you think is the futur for hardcore djs ?
- turntables (real, not gemini's who takes cd at the same time)
- cdj
- ableton
- other (ipad, pacemaker etc...)
if i ask this question, it is because i can see (not in hardcore) a lot of dj in ableton, i've seen a video with a girl who show she has connected 2 ipads on a mixer and mix with special software on each, like virtual cdj, pacemaker is the n1 object if you listen djmag etc...
to be honest, i tried some.
- i have 2 sl1210 mk2: awesome, i love mixin on vinyl, the feeling is amazing, and girls love that lol
- i also have 2 cdj1000 mk3: pretty boring, easy to beatmatch, in less than 20sec, it's done, after you just have to wait, so if you're at home that soooooo boring(in a club, you can move a bit with the ravers !)
- i tried a demo version of ableton: awful ! i never seen a so boring thing ! nothing to do, just add your track, push "play", done... no beatmatching, no support, i only used it 1h, that was too much awful for me
- i never tried the pacemaker, but when i imagine a dj mixing on the dancefloor, who is trying to beatmatch his tracks with his "cellphone" because it's nearly the same time, i have to say i'm laughing...
that's threatned me to be honest, because before, be a dj wasn't just play 2 tracks, you had to choose the good tracks, move the pitch, change the EQs of the mixer, you could touch your vinyls/cds
now, the standard will be usb, or even your harddrive :( i even heard the cdj350 will have an autobeatmatch function :'(
before, you needed a hundred or a thousand hours to be a good dj, now even my 6 yo sister could :/
what do you think about that, what's your point of view, what are you mixin with ? and what do you think is the futur, for hardcore ? shall i need to be prepared to see ableton djs on 10 years or less ?
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2010/05/02 : 07:26:10
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DJ Specimen
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Posted - 2010/05/02 : 08:09:26
Dude everything changes... no one likes to deal with giant 12" records anymore. Sure it sounds better, it feels better, and it looks cooler, but it costs a ****ing fortune, they're bulky, and you have to switch them all the time. Like you said, when you're DJing a party and you're not doing anything, you can move around with the ravers, meet the girls, and look like a fool dancing around like Ravine lol.
The point is, VDJing makes life easier, but it also opens up more possibilities. Sure anyone can throw two tracks on, make sure they're in key and click the sync button to beat match, there's a ****ing automix button on virtualDJ 6 that can do that for Christ's sake. But the fact that it's gotten so much easier means that there's so much more room for improvement. For instance, when I mix with my MIDI controller on Virtual DJ, I'm doing things with two decks that would have been little more than a dream before. Because it doesn't take me 30 seconds to beat match, I can mix more of the song, find another one, play with effects, and overall really just make the music my own. The reality is that the rise of VDJing is inspiring more creativity. Less scratching, mind you, but DJs spend less time just letting a song play through while they get the next one ready and more time actually DOING something that people can hear to the music.
So sure, you can just use the new virtual world to slack off and do something that an automater can do, or you can use the extra time that these programs save to really do more with your music. Beat juggling used to require at least 4 decks if you were going to do anything cool with it, now since I don't have to dig through a crate of vinyls and I can find my songs, there's so much more of my personal style and creativity going into my mixes.
But that's all just the opinion of a new DJ who really isn't very good but doesn't have the $2000 to buy turntables, needles, and a mixer.
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Revs
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Posted - 2010/05/02 : 11:31:28
For me it's CDJs and Turntables.
It's not boring to mix with CDJs, personally it doesn't take me more time to beatmatch a track on Vinyl than on a CDJ, but the thing is, it depends all on how you're mixing. The people that mix with CDJs or Ableton usually do some crazy mixing, instead of the very boring intro/outro mixing. They focus on other things such as sampling, scratching, effects, etc etc and are mixing with a total of 4 decks if not more.. and that's why they want to spend less time on beatmatching.
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nicolaslievens
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Posted - 2010/05/02 : 12:42:22
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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oops, yes sorry, i tried to do my best, but english is not my main language :)
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It's not boring to mix with CDJs, personally it doesn't take me more time to beatmatch a track on Vinyl than on a CDJ, but the thing is, it depends all on how you're mixing. The people that mix with CDJs or Ableton usually do some crazy mixing, instead of the very boring intro/outro mixing. They focus on other things such as sampling, scratching, effects, etc etc and are mixing with a total of 4 decks if not more.. and that's why they want to spend less time on beatmatching.
well, when i say it's boring to beatmatch with cdj, i mean to compare to vinyl, where you can touch your music, not just a plastic jog with pixelated image, you take off the vinyl, move the cartridge, that's actually that feeling that make me happy ! :p
also, don't you think it's more pleasant for the "public" to see a man with 2 turntables, or with a computer ?
i have seen one a day, on a hudge music party an ableton dj (that was a long time ago, ableton just came out on the market), the others were with cdj or turntables, i have to say i stayed maybe 15min, because ok, you can see the dj moving and jumping, make signs, touching his mixer, but that's all
and after those 15min, i came to another dj (that was a party on the whole city) on vinyl, i could see him moving the vinyl, searching on his vinyl box, changing the records, etc, and that was cool, his transtions were not perfect, sometimes he had to move a bit the pitch, but i wasn't important because you could see the guy was giving his best
same thing when i came after to see a dj on cdj, it's a bit different than vinyl, but you can see him change the cds, moving the jog, makes loop (that was techno, not hardcore)
i understand what you and djspecimen say when you talk about open up possibilities, that's true but where is the pleasure to heard 2 tracks with a perfect beatmatch ? that's aslo true that virtual dj is cheaper than a "real" dj gear (mixer+cdj or vinyl). i began with vdj, i didn't wanted to use all my money for a dj gear if i wasn't sure i'll like djing. but after a few months, i felt the need to change.
i found something less with ableton, pacemaker, virtual dj etc...: you can just heard the music, you can't see the dj who create the music, because there's nothing to see, he just press play at the good time
also, when you see this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bLanIfR13A
and this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j633gj3VfVg
what's your favorite ? not the music, just by seeing what the dj is doing ?
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2010/05/02 : 13:49:08
Laptops seem popular. Now that my production standards are improving there is a chance that some Old Skool style tunes will be making a comeback. It will be 90s tunes with 2010s mixing I guess
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DJ Specimen
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Posted - 2010/05/02 : 15:54:14
Sure Jeff Mills on the real turntables looked better, he was more entertaining to watch, but his music was so much more minimal, you can tell its just one song playing most of the time, which leads back to the old joke "oh yeah I'm the greatest DJ ever, I can play other people's music the best!"
I'm interested in this industry for the music, not for how cool I look while playing it, and if by using a laptop and a controller that makes me look like I'm playing DJ Hero means that I can really change the music to match my style rather than playing a song and spending all my time beatmatching where all I can really do is select the songs according to my tastes then I'll look like a dumbass. ****, if it would make my music sound better I would wear a dress while playing it.
I consider myself a musician, I make the music sound the way I want it to; and if people want a show they can look at the lights or the girls, because I'm not out to give them one.
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