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Torpex
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 Posted - 2010/06/08 : 15:33:39
Simply put, I've heard that Fracus and Darwin are nominated in this year's Hardcore Heaven Awards Breakthrough DJ category. I'm sure many here would agree that, regardless of whether or not you're fond of their music (I am), it's pretty obvious that they're miles above the rest when it comes to the big picture of pushing the boundaries and doing their own independent thing in the UK hardcore scene.
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 Posted - 2010/06/08 : 20:40:27
Def got my vote! They are really exelled this year and though I have always enjoy their tunes I have to admit both their production has shot through the roof this year plsu they are working really hard to contribute to the scene with events, albums and playing out non stop. Would be great to see these two break through and get the credit they both deserve!
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CDJay
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Posted - 2010/06/09 : 19:32:35
Despite feeling it is absolutely necessary at this point for "Fracus & Darwin" to win breakthrough DJ to even keep doing what we are doing, I'm afraid I can't quite bring myself to do the required incessant facebook spam and canvassing. Instead, we'll keep doing what we always do which is focus on the music and get it out there. In fact we have a fairly major announcement due before the end of the week.
Something I realised recently? "Hardcore Underground" was released on October 30th 2006. That is precisely 4 years to the day until Westfest 2010. If anyone genuinely believes that Fracus and Darwin haven't done enough in the past 4 years to now win this by a landslide, then I really don't know what to say. Ignoring anything else this is supposed to be a breakthrough DJ category and at this point in 2010 they have had, and have more upcoming, DJ bookings than all the other front runners combined.
Therefore I humbly ask anyone and everyone who wants to see Hardcore Underground continue, and indeed Fracus and Darwin to keep writing hardcore, to not only vote but proactively motivate others to do so too. I'm entirely aware that our core "fanbase" is largely comprised of people who see little value in awards etc and thus may be apathetic. That *will* end in disaster. Life isn't fair, hardcore even less so, even at this seemingly critical point we'll keep putting music first. Help us keep doing that.
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Posted - 2010/06/09 : 22:07:50
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Originally posted by CDJay:
Despite feeling it is absolutely necessary at this point for "Fracus & Darwin" to win breakthrough DJ to even keep doing what we are doing, I'm afraid I can't quite bring myself to do the required incessant facebook spam and canvassing. Instead, we'll keep doing what we always do which is focus on the music and get it out there. In fact we have a fairly major announcement due before the end of the week.
Something I realised recently? "Hardcore Underground" was released on October 30th 2006. That is precisely 4 years to the day until Westfest 2010. If anyone genuinely believes that Fracus and Darwin haven't done enough in the past 4 years to now win this by a landslide, then I really don't know what to say. Ignoring anything else this is supposed to be a breakthrough DJ category and at this point in 2010 they have had, and have more upcoming, DJ bookings than all the other front runners combined.
Therefore I humbly ask anyone and everyone who wants to see Hardcore Underground continue, and indeed Fracus and Darwin to keep writing hardcore, to not only vote but proactively motivate others to do so too. I'm entirely aware that our core "fanbase" is largely comprised of people who see little value in awards etc and thus may be apathetic. That *will* end in disaster. Life isn't fair, hardcore even less so, even at this seemingly critical point we'll keep putting music first. Help us keep doing that.
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they arnt breakthrough tho mate. Seriously, they are in the wrong catorgary..
Io dont vote for these things but if i was to it defo wouldnt be for these as they arnt breakthrough DJs.. And to say vote for them for hardcore underground to continue or for them to carry on producing/djin is very childish and is a certain vote loser... Baaaad move on your part... Well done
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Posted - 2010/06/09 : 22:26:06
oh for the love of... they where newcomers 50 years ago, and they're still breakthrough?
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Posted - 2010/06/09 : 22:32:53
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oh for the love of... they where newcomers 50 years ago, and they're still breakthrough?
init. If they havnt broke through this far then maybe this game isnt for thems....
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Posted - 2010/06/09 : 22:33:36
They have broken through onto the main stages in the last year. They have done Radio 1 in the last year. They have mixed albums alongside people like Brisk, Marc Smith, Sharkey, CLSM in the last year. They've had more DJ bookings in the past year than the three before combined.
If that isn't breaking through compared to previous stature I'm not sure what is 
As for childish.... eh? We've been loss leading and murdering ourselves for 4 years, and literally can't do any more than we are doing at this point. You say it's ridiculous that they are in that category, yet won't actually help them escape it?
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Posted - 2010/06/09 : 22:51:07
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They have broken through onto the main stages in the last year. They have done Radio 1 in the last year. They have mixed albums alongside people like Brisk, Marc Smith, Sharkey, CLSM in the last year. They've had more DJ bookings in the past year than the three before combined.
If that isn't breaking through compared to previous stature I'm not sure what is
As for childish.... eh? We've been loss leading and murdering ourselves for 4 years, and literally can't do any more than we are doing at this point. You say it's ridiculous that they are in that category, yet won't actually help them escape it?
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my point is.. Whats the definition of breakthrough?
It isnt Darwin or Fracus at all... They all ready have a pretty big name they dont need this award to tell the world they have broken through...
They should not be in this catorgary, simple as
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Posted - 2010/06/09 : 23:54:27
To each their own dude, I didn't make the rules or determine how the bulk of people interpret them.
I'll go back to doing our latest project, and try to put this out of mind.
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Posted - 2010/06/09 : 23:59:40
Well the fact they have been producing and that everyone (well, everyone who knows a good deal about the scene) knows who they are is purely down to their own efforts without any help from the likes of major raves and such to promote them (apart from recently). So they are still up and coming in the sense that that have not been recognised sufficiently by the people higher up. They have yet to break through into that niche if you will or rather the fact that if they have then it's a very recent thing and that is the point.
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Torpex
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Posted - 2010/06/10 : 07:37:16
I'm holding my vote for a few days until at least the compilation category is fixed... Then vote vote vote!
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Posted - 2010/06/10 : 09:16:00
to me breakthrough seems like the music scene's version of a Rookie. And you can't become a rookie if you've played for a long time :P
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Posted - 2010/06/10 : 11:06:16
Poll revised: HU4 under Albums, Brisk under Outstanding Contribution. I can vote now. :)
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Posted - 2010/06/10 : 11:12:21
Mmm, interesting debate, this.
I'll agree that, when someone says to me 'Fracus and Darwin', the first thing that I think of is most definitely not 'breakthrough'. The two are both relatively established DJ's and producers, and of high quality.
That said, given the nature and the 'depth' of the scene, I don't really see how a DJ can go from completely unknown, to playing out at big events in the space of 12 months. Does breakthrough mean, that once someone has broken through, they have their names along side Styles, Re-Con, Breeze, Squad-E etc on the flyers for all the major events? Making it to The Premiership, so to speak?
If that's the case, I'm surprised people are pushing for this. Don't get me wrong - I think the guys deserve considerable recognition. But to me, it seems like Fracus and Darwin (and DJs/Producers of that ilk) are endeavouring to make hardcore of a style that steers away from the HTID/Raver Baby/Cluband-like sound.
For me, the Hardcore Heaven Awards aren't a facility where I can vote for my favourite DJs, producers and tracks - they are a facility that allow me to vote for my favourite DJs, producers and tracks from the usual selection of what Smoogie calls 'The Big Guns'. Don't get me wrong - I like the vast majority of the stuff that these guys produce, but the fact that an artist wins a Hardcore Heaven award doesn't really carry any weight for me.
Whilst I have huge respect and appreciation for what CDJay and the guys have done with Hardcore Underground - and I do sympathise that the financial burden of producing this high-quality music for an almost niche market within hardcore means that Hardcore Underground has a finite life-span - I don't think it is right to be encouraging people to vote on the basis that if they don't, it might contribute to the downfall of the Hardcore Underground operation.
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Posted - 2010/06/10 : 12:06:57
Both Fracus & Darwin do produce clubland sounding music... A few weeks ago Darwin asked on his Facebook for people to stop sending him generic sounding music.... Yet he uses the vocals of Ant Johnson.. Now if his vocal dusnt sound like its aimed at the clubland market then neither is Darren Styles...
I agree they both make good music but it isnt exactly underground... There isnt much difference between hardcore underground 4 and clubland xtreme hardcore 6 (apart from the chart remixes)... Some people pipe on as if Darwin is so sort of God just because they are his friend or have had him booked at an event... Fracus & Darwin are far far from underground hardcore and are as much commercial as anyone... Not saying theres anything wrong in that either
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Posted - 2010/06/10 : 12:26:31
"I don't think it is right to be encouraging people to vote on the basis that if they don't, it might contribute to the downfall of the Hardcore Underground operation"
Although I never actually said that, it's still accurate. It's in no way specific to "awards" either, it's true of anything in life. If something isn't supported, then it will die. This applies to a premature baby, corn crops, political parties ad nauseum.
I'll take the idea that HU4 is similar in some ways to CEH6 as a compliment, although given that HU4 contains over 100 discrete hardcore artists, established and new, contains breakbeat, gabba, and ranges in tempo from <170bpm up to 186bpm it's hardly going to withstand a police line up.
Anyway, in other news we've just finished out latest mini-project and it will go off to manufacture today. Hopefully the fact we prioritise and execute things like that will count for more than my frustrated sleep deprived ramblings.
Watch for an announcement in the coming days.
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