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Vladel
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 Posted - 2010/08/08 : 21:28:18
i know very little about this subject, but from a lehman point of view, choonlands explanation does seem to make a hell of alot more sense.
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2010/08/08 : 22:48:02
quote:
Originally posted by choonland:
quote:
Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
No offence but I think you've got it the wrong way around. Take a look:
http://www.discogs.com/Billy-Daniel-Bunter-JDS-Come-Alive-Voyage/release/185569
Credits
Engineer - MC*
Producer, Written-By - Billy Bunter* , J.D.S.
Vocals - Corelle
So billy bunter made the track and MC (AKA Justin Time, Helix etc.) just added the finishing touches?? We all know that's not correct!
Like I also said, most of the time there is an equal amount of work done by both parties!
I stick to what I said mate,
if MC would have had a real part in the composition of the music, he would have been credited as another writer/producer, and not as the engineer...
the fact that a well know artist appears as the engineer doesn't mean that he "made" the track
many artists with good experince an good studio equipment often offer their services to engineer other's people tracks, that, again, doesn't mean the tracks they engineer are their creation.
I think you may be disagreeing over the same thing here. Let me get this straight, here is what I thought the terms were:
Producer: design
Engineer: implementation
This seems to be what you're saying, so there's some confusion somewhere. Maybe we should wait for someone else to clear this up. Either way I think H3RO's question was answered so essentially you're only argueing with me so you can 'be right'... If that is the case then sorry, that's a bit pathetic and I don't really wanna get involved!
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2010/08/09 : 01:50:33
IMO, there's no proper answer to the OP's question.
The level of involvement of producers in a duo can vary widely. In some cases one is an engineer, in others both are, in others none are! In some cases one of the producers will do most of the music composition while the other does the drums, etc. Sometimes one producer will simply take part in the arrangement after a track has been done. If you think about it, it can make sense for each person to do the thing they do best.
It totally depends on who the duo is, how they work, etc. There's no way you'd know unless you've worked with the people personally. Breeze and Styles are both experienced engineers, writers and producers so I presume they both have equal involvement. However, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the B&S tracks weren't made by both of them from start to finish...
I've been in the producer's seat, in the engineer's seat, I've simply done the arrangement and mixdown on an electro house track before, etc.
The electronic music industry is rather different from other music scenes: the artist is generally involved in many roles and stages of the production process...
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MAtRiCks
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Posted - 2010/08/09 : 05:31:09
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
Producer: design
Engineer: implementation
implementation? I checked out the definition online since I'm not familiar with the word:
"A means of achieving an end; an instrument or agent. To put into practical effect; carry out"
Since this doesn't seem to make any sense, or at least not a concrete and precise one in the current context, I would like you to explain what you meant a little bit further, please. If you don't want to get involved anymore, it's ok, I'll pass, but since this thread was created to shed some light on the obscure aspects of the responsibility of multiple artists on different levels in the creation of electronic music, I'd like to see a clear answer to this new question.
I must say, though, that my experience in the subject so far coincides with Choonland's explanation of the difference between an engineer and a producer.
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Project-Industrial
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Posted - 2010/08/09 : 15:52:21
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
IMO, there's no proper answer to the OP's question.
The level of involvement of producers in a duo can vary widely. In some cases one is an engineer, in others both are, in others none are! In some cases one of the producers will do most of the music composition while the other does the drums, etc. Sometimes one producer will simply take part in the arrangement after a track has been done. If you think about it, it can make sense for each person to do the thing they do best.
It totally depends on who the duo is, how they work, etc. There's no way you'd know unless you've worked with the people personally. Breeze and Styles are both experienced engineers, writers and producers so I presume they both have equal involvement. However, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the B&S tracks weren't made by both of them from start to finish...
I've been in the producer's seat, in the engineer's seat, I've simply done the arrangement and mixdown on an electro house track before, etc.
The electronic music industry is rather different from other music scenes: the artist is generally involved in many roles and stages of the production process...
you just have a more complicated way to ansewr his question then I had :p
still dont get why people brought the engineer up because that wasn't the question ^^ He asked quote:
"So when I see tracks where there are two producers, i.e. Breeze and Styles, what roles does each producer play in producing the track?"
And that's been ansewred already :p
nuff said :)
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MAtRiCks
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Posted - 2010/08/09 : 22:42:44
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Originally posted by Project-Industrial:
still dont get why people brought the engineer up because that wasn't the question ^^ He asked quote:
"So when I see tracks where there are two producers, i.e. Breeze and Styles, what roles does each producer play in producing the track?"
And that's been ansewred already :p
nuff said :)
A subject led to another. The first question was answered, fair enough. Now lest discuss the second question, which is just as interesting as the first one. By all means, if the second subject doesn't interest you, nothing forces you to follow this thread any longer.
What is the clear distinction between the work of the producer and the engineer?
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Posted - 2010/08/10 : 04:42:14
You're thinking about it way too much. If a producer uses an engineer then he has someone help his music be fine-tuned to a professional standard. Most electronic music producers are engineers too, that's why they don't need them.
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Posted - 2010/08/10 : 04:58:34
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Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
What is the clear distinction between the work of the producer and the engineer?
It depends on what the predominant style of music it is as has been pointed out.
In more traditional styles (such as rock):
Producer= The one with the overall vision of how the finished product should be.
many times this person is musically trained as well. knows the musician lingo and thus is more apt at working with them.
engineer= The person who handles the hardware/software(knows his/her way around mixers, mics/miking techniques, compressors etc.) generally someone who has spent time learning the physics of sound.
In electronic music:
Producer= very much like the one stated above only this time they themselves create the melodies and arrangements with the afformentioned musical knowledge.
engineer= someone who assists the producer in attaining a professional outcome through their knowledge of hardware/software. generally the same as the one stated above in terms of being schooled in some way yet the main distinction between the two is in fact the "school of thought" they were trained in (think midi, synths and samplers in this case)
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Posted - 2010/08/10 : 19:07:56
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Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
quote:
Originally posted by Project-Industrial:
still dont get why people brought the engineer up because that wasn't the question ^^ He asked quote:
"So when I see tracks where there are two producers, i.e. Breeze and Styles, what roles does each producer play in producing the track?"
And that's been ansewred already :p
nuff said :)
A subject led to another. The first question was answered, fair enough. Now lest discuss the second question, which is just as interesting as the first one. By all means, if the second subject doesn't interest you, nothing forces you to follow this thread any longer.
What is the clear distinction between the work of the producer and the engineer?
your a c*cky bastard :)
wikipedia man -.-
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Posted - 2010/08/11 : 00:22:31
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Originally posted by Project-Industrial:
your a c*cky bastard :)
so many people are around here, a man gotta fend for himself! =)
and for all I know, wiki could be full of shit on the subject, just like anybody on here. it's good to gather different point of view I think.
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