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Triquatra
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 Posted - 2010/08/17 : 13:31:02
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
Uk hardcore is such a wank name. No offence to brits but it's just a wank name.
I don't know why people are clinging to the name. I will never introduce myself as a UK hardcore producer. And if anybody else did, i'd correct them.
The UK does not own the genre, and it's pretty offensive to all of us who aren't brits.
100% agree..
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hmm dropping to 80% agree
as, thinking about it, its not too much worse than the whole "French House, US house, UK Garage, Euro-Dance, Euro-Disco, Disco-Polo" type things...i'm sure there are others too FiNRG? and they're "forgien" producers dont complain ;)
I mean i see where you are coming from.. its just gotten that UK tag because the current sound (the one that emerged post-happy-hardcore originated here and was popularised here
doesnt mean i use it though, just hardcore to me, or freeform...or gabber *cough* i mean european hardcore..
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Millimo
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Posted - 2010/08/17 : 17:54:00
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Originally posted by Samination:
considering alot of countries make music they call Hardcore (heck even Hardcore's used on Rock/Punk and Hip Hop music), I'd say Hardcore is even more generic. Until last year I kept calling dutch hardcore for Rotterdam Hardcore. Heck I still can't divide from Gabber and Frenchore, both sound equally quick.
I can give you and answer to that question.
Mainstream Hardcore:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QW8uSfAh4 - Generic, about 170-180 BPM.
Industrial Hardcore:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2q4MhLu6Jw - Much more noise if you understand what i mean. Notice the sounds are alot less mainstream, about the same BPM
Frenchcore:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7I9yZH-RsI - In frenchcore you kan have a punchkick + bassline which you'll find in alot of the songs, in mainstream industrial hardcore the whole drive ot the track relies on the kick that has been distorted. And in this genre almost all of the songs hit 200 BPM.
And for the idiots who like to bang their head against their wall daily: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXBbLymPEUU - speed/splittercore - Im not even gonna comment on this :)
And thx for the freeform links Stray. They're awesome :).
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cruelcore1
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Posted - 2010/08/17 : 20:41:55
According 2 my knowledge, UK Hardcore was "invented" in the UK and that's the reason why it's called that way.IMO, it deserves to be called like that.
But it also makes a confusion. It seems to me that the most of the people (not here) think I'm British because I say I make UK Hardcore.
I understand UKHC sounds discriminating so I don't think its 100% a proper name too. U know u can call it Happy Hardcore or just Hardcore, but they are even more improper because they're less specific.
So I think we should SOLVE the problem! Let's think of a new name that will everyone find proper.
After all, we ARE the most popular Hardcore forum site in the world and promoting that "new name" should be a peace of cake.
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2010/08/17 : 20:47:06
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
Uk hardcore is such a wank name. No offence to brits but it's just a wank name.
I don't know why people are clinging to the name. I will never introduce myself as a UK hardcore producer. And if anybody else did, i'd correct them.
The UK does not own the genre, and it's pretty offensive to all of us who aren't brits.
I hate the term 'UK' Hardcore. They only used it in the 2000s, most of the 90s stuff from the UK had it's own name IE Breakbeat Hardcore or Happy Hardcore ect. Now its all the same so they call it UK Hardcore. Freeform has it's own name and no one calls the Freeform from the UK 'UK Freeform'
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2010/08/17 : 20:54:00
It's called UK Hardcore because that's where it originated. It's no more offensive than calling Dutch Hardcore Dutch Hardcore, it's just what it is lol.
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cruelcore1
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Posted - 2010/08/17 : 20:55:58
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
I hate the term 'UK' Hardcore. They only used it in the 2000s, most of the 90s stuff from the UK had it's own name IE Breakbeat Hardcore or Happy Hardcore ect. Now its all the same so they call it UK Hardcore. Freeform has it's own name and no one calls the Freeform from the UK 'UK Freeform'
Thats what I'm talking about.
I'll make a topic about it.
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2010/08/17 : 21:13:45
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Originally posted by cruelcore1:
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
I hate the term 'UK' Hardcore. They only used it in the 2000s, most of the 90s stuff from the UK had it's own name IE Breakbeat Hardcore or Happy Hardcore ect. Now its all the same so they call it UK Hardcore. Freeform has it's own name and no one calls the Freeform from the UK 'UK Freeform'
Thats what I'm talking about.
I'll make a topic about it.
Im glad someone agrees with me for once.
What do we call early 2000s Hardcore? Old Skool UK Hardcore?
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cruelcore1
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Posted - 2010/08/17 : 21:24:37
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
Im glad someone agrees with me for once.
What do we call early 2000s Hardcore? Old Skool UK Hardcore?
Lol, maybe, if it's too different from todays UKHC.
Oh, I already made a topic, so post this again there, please =).
The name-change topic: http://www.happyhardcore.com/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=51031
("New name for UK Hardcore - discussion")
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yzerman
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Posted - 2010/08/17 : 21:27:18
there seems to be more subgenres for the harder side of hardcore than normal lol,
i just call normal hardcore "hardcore" and then there is freeform thats all the genres i class songs as lol. Weird how its is officially UK Hardcore but doesnt bother me but i never hear anyone use it, so not sure who decided this when it changed from happy hardcore lol, supose more people from abroad would call it UK Hardcore than actually people from the UK
On the harder side of things usually call it gabber then you have the various other offshoots.
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cruelcore1
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Posted - 2010/08/17 : 21:43:51
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Originally posted by yzerman:
there seems to be more subgenres for the harder side of hardcore than normal lol,
i just call normal hardcore "hardcore" and then there is freeform thats all the genres i class songs as lol. Weird how its is officially UK Hardcore but doesnt bother me but i never hear anyone use it, so not sure who decided this when it changed from happy hardcore lol, supose more people from abroad would call it UK Hardcore than actually people from the UK
On the harder side of things usually call it gabber then you have the various other offshoots.
Yeah.
As i said in the post, the most of the people nowadays still call it Happy Hardcore.
And a good part, as I learned on YouTube, who don't know what UK Hardcore is, don't even know what REAL Happy Hardcore is xD.
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Samination
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Posted - 2010/08/17 : 22:16:43
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
Uk hardcore is such a wank name. No offence to brits but it's just a wank name.
I don't know why people are clinging to the name. I will never introduce myself as a UK hardcore producer. And if anybody else did, i'd correct them.
The UK does not own the genre, and it's pretty offensive to all of us who aren't brits.
unless you aussies don't come up with a new style, i will be calling it uk hardcore :P
Oh ffs. Like calling British Hardcore from 2000-2004 Oldskool wouldnt confuse the people who actually listens to Oldskool/Jungle styled hardcore from the early 90's?
Genre's are and always will be confusing. Some or most artists hate being categorized. Just look at Luna-C, he's so experimental I don't think even he knows what he's doing :P Not that I am saying that he hates categorizing music (I wouldn't know that since I don't really like most of his music)
Millimo, lemme rephrase, "I dont know the difference between gabber or frenchcore". The other styles I know off :)
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cruelcore1
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Posted - 2010/08/17 : 22:39:06
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Originally posted by Samination:
unless you aussies don't come up with a new style, i will be calling it uk hardcore :P
Oh ffs. Like calling British Hardcore from 2000-2004 Oldskool wouldnt confuse the people who actually listens to Oldskool/Jungle styled hardcore from the early 90's?
Genre's are and always will be confusing. Some or most artists hate being categorized. Just look at Luna-C, he's so experimental I don't think even he knows what he's doing :P Not that I am saying that he hates categorizing music (I wouldn't know that since I don't really like most of his music)
Millimo, lemme rephrase, "I dont know the difference between gabber or frenchcore". The other styles I know off :)
Genres are actually not so confusing if u know about them.
U gotta listen 2 genres 4 a while in order 2 know enough about them and find differences between them x). But if u dont know them enough, ure confused about them hardly can tell the differences between them.
Yeah, I dont know the difference between gabber or frenchcore neither. It's all gabber 4 me xD. But not gabber as genre name, gabber as gabber-class.
But I still know the difference between UK/Happy Hardcore and Gabber-class genres.
And I also dont know the difference between Progressive Trance and Uplifting Trance. It's all "traditional" or "real" Trance 4 me (again, a class).
But very well I know the difference between Euro-Trance (Hands Up) and traditional Trance. Cuz i was listening 2 Euro-Trance b4 I decided to get some more of "that Hardcore".
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2010/08/17 : 23:46:56
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Originally posted by Samination:
quote:
Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
Uk hardcore is such a wank name. No offence to brits but it's just a wank name.
I don't know why people are clinging to the name. I will never introduce myself as a UK hardcore producer. And if anybody else did, i'd correct them.
The UK does not own the genre, and it's pretty offensive to all of us who aren't brits.
Genre's are and always will be confusing. Some or most artists hate being categorized. Just look at Luna-C, he's so experimental I don't think even he knows what he's doing :P Not that I am saying that he hates categorizing music (I wouldn't know that since I don't really like most of his music)
what sux about categorizing genres & subgenres is many times after a few yrs go by a song will be classified into another genre/subgrenre
the progressive house that i remembered from the late 90s and early 00s sounds nothing like what ppl call progressive house today
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Samination
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Posted - 2010/08/18 : 10:20:15
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
what sux about categorizing genres & subgenres is many times after a few yrs go by a song will be classified into another genre/subgrenre
the progressive house that i remembered from the late 90s and early 00s sounds nothing like what ppl call progressive house today
Thus the reason why british Hardcore from early 2000 shouldnt be called oldskool new or whatever smoogie wanted to call it :P
Anyways. I dont know if this is just about hardcore, but hardcore has alot of tastes, but can you or should you name them differently? In the end, I think you're forced to have as few genrenames and collect more varied stuff, than keeping each songs with their "most fitting" genre style... Auscore UK Hardcore anyone? =P
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Craigavon raver
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Posted - 2010/08/19 : 20:15:52
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
Uk hardcore is such a wank name. No offence to brits but it's just a wank name.
I don't know why people are clinging to the name. I will never introduce myself as a UK hardcore producer. And if anybody else did, i'd correct them.
The UK does not own the genre, and it's pretty offensive to all of us who aren't brits.
Most definetly have to agree with that it is a shit name and as other people have commented its wrong
I refer to modern hardcore as nu-style hardcore or upfront hardcore cause that what it is and it saves all the confusion to americans and so forth by not puting uk
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