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acidfluxxbass
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 Posted - 2010/08/29 : 22:30:59
yeah me nd sharkey. best pals!
would like to hear how u think music ruined r'n'b, ken.
i think the entire presense of aatw hinders the development of hardcore, but thats my opinion x
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Ken Masters
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Posted - 2010/08/29 : 22:31:41
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not so much because Hardcore's been given a 2nd chance & I think most of the main players in the scene have learned from what happened before.
There seems to be a lot more of the big names taking a back seat now & letting the young talent shine through, & not only that but teaching them tricks of the trade. for example Sharkey
Sharkey is one of the good guys though, always has been good for Hardcore & I have never had a bad word to say about him. He was half of the original Bonkers after all. Shame there is no Dutch Freeform though don't you think?
fair point. I don't understand why there isn't more Dutch style influence in Freeform. Theres plenty of DnB & it is Freeform after all. Thats something i'll certainly be bringing into my future productions.
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Posted - 2010/08/29 : 22:51:14
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would like to hear how u think music ruined r'n'b, ken.
how I think money ruined r'n'b? I was meaning, what people think RnB is now really isn't what it used to be. Infact it's not even remotely like what it used to be. It's labelled Contemporary R&B now so to me it's just been cashing in on an awesome genre of music that began in the 40's. R&B's further away from its roots than hip hop is!
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2010/08/29 : 23:45:03
Not sure why it's even called RnB anymore, it has nothing in common with the actual genre, it's just noise.
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Posted - 2010/08/30 : 00:12:07
Yeah as far as I know RnB (Rhythm n Blues) used to be more folksy, bluesy, rootsish type music as opposed to shakin your ass at a club or something which is what it is now.
Either way, they're both far more commercial than hardcore so I don't think you can make an accurate comparison. The darren styles interview on radio 1 pretty muched summed it up; he said for such a self-contained scene hardcore has probably had more peaks than drops. I also noticed that when asked if hardcore was at a peak right now he didn't answer with a yes or a no.
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Posted - 2010/08/30 : 00:32:33
Nothing "killed" hardcore in 1999! because the term means dead, finished, finito, no more, thats it, never again! and 11 years later we are all here still talking about the music!
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Posted - 2010/08/30 : 01:05:22
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Nothing "killed" hardcore in 1999! because the term means dead, finished, finito, no more, thats it, never again! and 11 years later we are all here still talking about the music!
i get the general impression you missed the point....
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Posted - 2010/08/30 : 03:27:35
MY two cents on the subject is as follows:
Around 99' the scene started to be dominated by Sy & Storm on the live front. At the time Sy & Unknown where making some terrible music, Force & Styles, who where the best act of the late 90's split up and went their separate ways. It was still very much a "boys club" and due to this new talent hardly ever broke through. Around this time seen the introduction of the DJ/Producer - if you weren't a producer you couldn't seem to break through as a DJ. This is still true now.
With trance booming during the turn on the century hardcore in it's 99 form was shown up as a weak genre rife with tracks devoid of feeling and energy. People such as Vinylgroover, Trixxy, Hixxy, Dougal, Styles & Scott Brown tried very much in vein to take the scene in a new musical direction. Although these artists where using trance elements in their productions it didn't seem to take hold (to me it was a no brainer and should have taken hold a hell of a lot sooner than it did). As a result of all of this a hell of a lot of producers left the scene, Slipmatt, Force, Seduction, Demo, DNA, Mickey Skeedale, Eruption...the list goes on.
Most fans of the music went with the producers and moved onto either Hard House, D&B or Trance. Some producers and fans hung on and ultimately they are the ones who ended up building the foundation of the scene that we see today.
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Posted - 2010/08/30 : 08:02:47
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Originally posted by The Doc:
Nothing "killed" hardcore in 1999! because the term means dead, finished, finito, no more, thats it, never again! and 11 years later we are all here still talking about the music!
i get the general impression you missed the point....
No. You're all misusing the word KILL. If Hardcore could be revived, shouldn't people be able to revive Elvis Presley too? =P
Technically, the words you should be using is "What handicapped hardcore back in 1999?"
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Posted - 2010/08/30 : 09:39:12
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what killed hardcore in 1999?>>>Probably trance and it's goodness 
Very true. Trance was a force alright & was the peak of Dance music IMO hence why Freeform is my favorite kinda Hardcore.
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Posted - 2010/08/30 : 10:44:02
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fair point. I don't understand why there isn't more Dutch style influence in Freeform. Theres plenty of DnB & it is Freeform after all. Thats something i'll certainly be bringing into my future productions.
Crush on Hardcore CD 4 is very Dutch sounding. Tunes with hard kicks by people like Devestate, Stormtrooper, Robbie Long & Lee UHF. These guys always made good tunes often with hard kicks & some of Sharkey's mixes had such tunes. Marc Smith was also part of the crowd. I think if the Dutch made Freeform it would sound like that, nice and hard like their 90s stuff but more Freeform.
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Posted - 2010/08/30 : 11:32:33
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
yeah me nd sharkey. best pals!
would like to hear how u think music ruined r'n'b, ken.
i think the entire presense of aatw hinders the development of hardcore, but thats my opinion x
i wouldnt say aatw hinders hardcore at all..
if we didnt have the internet i think hardcore would of died, we wouldnt be listening to it now, thats for sure... if aatw didnt come in and jump on the hardcore bandwagon when they did then it wouldnt be as popular as it is... with the clubland massive!!!
aatw & hardcore is a match made in heaven really... fact is we need them more than people actually realise
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Posted - 2010/08/30 : 11:35:36
can it only be called freeform if it has a hard beat? I wouldn't say so. That would be like saying it's not happy hardcore if it doesn't have piano and cheesy vocals. I had a debate with Sc@r about calling Raw Elements being more freeform than regular hardcore. She also said it was "hard enough". I never did tell her this, but I don't call it freeform because it's hard. I call it freeform because it doesn't sound like the regular hardcore that the likes of RB, Evolution and Quosh where making. I thought Raw Element's material was closer to NuEnergy's freeform than that.
EDIT: And no, I don't call everything that doesn't sound like regular hardcore for freeform, just a bad selection of words :P
Anything that fits a Sharkey mix should gladly be dubbed freeform :P
True that Wilky. Too bad that they only promote one or two kinds of style of hardcore, and that's the stuff RB and EPP2 is making now.
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Posted - 2010/08/30 : 11:53:15
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can it only be called freeform if it has a hard beat? I wouldn't say so. That would be like saying it's not happy hardcore if it doesn't have piano and cheesy vocals. I had a debate with Sc@r about calling Raw Elements being more freeform than regular hardcore. She also said it was "hard enough". I never did tell her this, but I don't call it freeform because it's hard. I call it freeform because it doesn't sound like the regular hardcore that the likes of RB, Evolution and Quosh where making. I thought Raw Element's material was closer to NuEnergy's freeform than that.
EDIT: And no, I don't call everything that doesn't sound like regular hardcore for freeform, just a bad selection of words :P
Anything that fits a Sharkey mix should gladly be dubbed freeform :P
True that Wilky. Too bad that they only promote one or two kinds of style of hardcore, and that's the stuff RB and EPP2 is making now.
this is why hardcore is so ****ed up... too many sub genre every slight change and people dont actually know what this that or the other is...
its just hardcore, its not happy, its not freeform, its not uk, its not ductch..... its just ****ing HARDCORE
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Posted - 2010/08/30 : 12:14:35
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Originally posted by Samination:
can it only be called freeform if it has a hard beat? I wouldn't say so. That would be like saying it's not happy hardcore if it doesn't have piano and cheesy vocals. I had a debate with Sc@r about calling Raw Elements being more freeform than regular hardcore. She also said it was "hard enough". I never did tell her this, but I don't call it freeform because it's hard. I call it freeform because it doesn't sound like the regular hardcore that the likes of RB, Evolution and Quosh where making. I thought Raw Element's material was closer to NuEnergy's freeform than that.
EDIT: And no, I don't call everything that doesn't sound like regular hardcore for freeform, just a bad selection of words :P
Anything that fits a Sharkey mix should gladly be dubbed freeform :P
True that Wilky. Too bad that they only promote one or two kinds of style of hardcore, and that's the stuff RB and EPP2 is making now.
this is why hardcore is so ****ed up... too many sub genre every slight change and people dont actually know what this that or the other is...
its just hardcore, its not happy, its not freeform, its not uk, its not ductch..... its just ****ing HARDCORE
Personally the only distinction I've made is Happy Hardcore/Freeform/Hardcore. Hardcore being newer harder boom boom boom thump thump stuff, freeform having the trancier breakdowns and so on and Happy Hardcore having the pianos, the vocals and the happy vibes.
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