Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,280 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2010/12/01 : 14:53:38
well I did get into hardcore because it felt different from other music styles. Nowadays I cant even listen to regular trance/dance songs without moaning "where's the speed y'all?"
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raindancerob Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,588 posts Joined: Sep, 2008
Posted - 2010/12/01 : 20:53:53
quote:Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
my god, can anybody here read?
starting point.....do i have to define that - thats like two people now who have picked up on that.
a good starting point for making a cake is eggs.
make sense now? lol
but thankyou for pointing out that house and trance often have the same BPM it never before clicked in my head when i was mixing the 1000+ pieces of house and trance vinyl i have that they are quite similar in speed! ;)
i was merely using what i said as an example to how a style of music isint defined by simply BPM.
Alert moderatorEdited by - raindancerob on 2010/12/01 20:58:49
raindancerob Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,588 posts Joined: Sep, 2008
Posted - 2010/12/01 : 20:55:25
quote:Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
dont think anyone said it was hardcore defining feature, but it is certainly a good place to start
not really because as has already been said loads of different styles of music have BPMs within the same range.
raindancerob Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,588 posts Joined: Sep, 2008
Posted - 2010/12/01 : 20:58:08
quote:Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
quote:Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
dont think anyone said it was hardcore defining feature, but it is certainly a good place to start
course its a feature. If hardcore was any slower it'd be hard dance or something.
why would it ? iv got some hardcore tunes that are 120 BPM & some that are 200+ BPM (& no they aint house or gabber tunes). im not saying that most hardcore isint around the same BPM, im just saying that things dont always confirm to the same formula & that you cant define a style of music just from its BPM.
Alert moderatorEdited by - raindancerob on 2010/12/01 21:00:04
acidfluxxbass Advanced Member
United Kingdom
5,000 posts Joined: Apr, 2008
Posted - 2010/12/01 : 21:05:04
quote:Originally posted by raindancerob:
quote:Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
quote:Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
dont think anyone said it was hardcore defining feature, but it is certainly a good place to start
course its a feature. If hardcore was any slower it'd be hard dance or something.
why would it ? iv got some hardcore tunes that are 120 BPM & some that are 200+ BPM (& no they aint house or gabber tunes). im not saying that most hardcore isint around the same BPM, im just saying that things dont always confirm to the same formula & that you cant define a style of music just from its BPM.
I think your wrong, but I cant be assed to explain myself.
Wouldnt mind knowing about what hardcore tracks are 120 tho
Triquatra Moderator
United Kingdom
12,640 posts Joined: Nov, 2003
Posted - 2010/12/01 : 22:26:49
like it or lump it, it is the common elements of music (pitch, dynamics, rhythmn, timbre and texture) and how they differ from each other are what defines and separates musical genres from each other. tempo is one of those elements.
if you can't grasp that tempo would be taken into account, and that "starting point" doesnt mean the be all and end all to a genre...then thats not my issue :P
(thankyou wiki for the common elements of music!)
you can call em what you want, pigeon hole as much as you want, doesnt bother me, i'm just amazed that someone could mis-interpret "starting point" so wildly lol
a dance music flow chart without BPM or any pointer towards tempo (faster, super fast, slow, mega slow) on it wouldnt work very well at all.
Jay-Nitro Junior Member
United Kingdom
139 posts Joined: Oct, 2009
Posted - 2010/12/03 : 10:17:17
its deffo not a sub genre of hardcore. makina's been around in spain around the same time as oldskool hardcore be it breakbeat or bouncy techno has over here and just evolved over time. I was playing makina back in 98 after our scene died a death, makina gave the north east a new lease of life for the next 10 year almost. in an average set in the north east you would here makina, oldskool, fast italian, hard trance all mixed up together. hardcore is still very much on the fringe of things and most wont give anything new a chance. I dont play makina anymore cos to be honest ive mixed those choonz so many times, theres no fun no challenge and its a struggle to come up with any new ones and so has every other dj!
z121231211 New Member
United States
61 posts Joined: Oct, 2009
Posted - 2010/12/04 : 17:49:04
Considering my definition of hardcore (which is wrong according to most people): Any song with 4/4 beat and 170+ BPM. I believe it's hardcore.
If it isn't 4/4 beat, then it's either DnB or Breakbeat Hardcore.
If it's heavily based on another style, or pretty much just that genre sped up to hardcore speeds, then just add -core to the genre name (trancecore, Housecore, hardstylecore, etc.).
That's how I've simplified it. And it's probably wrong.
And if Hardstylescapecore becomes a genre I want to be credited as the person who came up with the name.
Alert moderatorEdited by - z121231211 on 2010/12/04 17:53:41
jenks Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,701 posts Joined: Feb, 2003
19 hardcore releases
Posted - 2010/12/04 : 18:44:43
quote:Originally posted by ultraskool:
Hi Everyone,
I've always wondered, is "Makina" a separate genre to Happy Hardkore or is it a form of Happy Hardkore , that is, it's a sub-genre of HappyHardcore ?
Or should we rephrase it as whether Makina is more closely aligned with Euro-Dance and Euro-Trance music?
My favourite Hardtrance track is "Atreyu" by HardNation (Special Artist) It reminds me of the movie Neverending Story and the character of that boy Atreyu
I would say that they're both sub-genres of hardcore.
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