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nicktork
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 Posted - 2010/12/02 : 08:39:17
Or could it be that wikileaks is a complete fraud to put an end to all the conspiracies so America can continue with its lies and corruption in peace?
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2010/12/02 : 08:56:00
lol! looks like one of those conspiracy theorists is amoung us ;)
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whispering
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Posted - 2010/12/02 : 09:26:41
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I dont have a problem with them - though it does get a little edgey when they release documents that could have the names of inside people in them...
AFAIK, they remove them before the release. The news agencies have also removed the names of informers and such.
from: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cable-leak-diplomacy-crisis
"Assange made it available to the Guardian and four other news organisations: the New York Times, Der Spiegel in Germany, Le Monde in France and El Pas in Spain. All five plan to publish extracts from the most significant cables, but have decided neither to "dump" the entire dataset into the public domain, nor to publish names that would endanger innocent individuals. WikiLeaks says that, contrary to the state department's fears, it also initially intends to post only limited cable extracts, and to redact identities."
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Posted - 2010/12/02 : 09:59:54
interesting, though i was more refering to the previous release the iraqi war ones - some of this stuff must prove very very useful to the other side
this recent release i dont think reveals anything of any real consiquence (thus far) - its more of a playground "im telling on youuuu" and finger pointing because someone called someone else smelly!
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whispering
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Posted - 2010/12/02 : 12:18:02
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
interesting, though i was more refering to the previous release the iraqi war ones - some of this stuff must prove very very useful to the other side
this recent release i dont think reveals anything of any real consiquence (thus far) - its more of a playground "im telling on youuuu" and finger pointing because someone called someone else smelly!
Yea, and they ARE from diplomats, so its probably more then often their opinion, rather then solid facts.
But i'm still very eager to see the finnish ones. Hopefully the US diplomats have managed to dig some dirt on our politicians ;) Especially from the one i linked before, and possible NATO talks from our Minister for Foreign Affairs (Hes pro NATO, but majority of finns are against it and Finlands official stance is against it), that ******* is selling our soul to the devil without our consent.
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jenks
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Posted - 2010/12/02 : 18:37:55
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Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
Heroes giving me information I learned 16 years ago, thank you Wikileaks.
So you knew that the US had nuclear weapons based secretly in Holland, Belgium, Germany and Turkey? No, I don't believe you did.
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jenks
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Posted - 2010/12/02 : 18:42:04
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
was waiting for this topic ;)
I dont have a problem with them - though it does get a little edgey when they release documents that could have the names of inside people in them...but wikileaks do a hell of alot more than just the whole USA stuff the media keep reporting on.
i mean if it wasnt for wikileaks i would never have known about punternet.com/ wink wink LOL.
at the end of the day i still blame the media - the BBC act as though the only thing that gets released on there is against america and ignore everything else (but thats the BBC's anti-american stance for you).
heres what interests me the most - UFOs, Aliens and 9/11 + alllllll the other conspiracies - the millions of people who could have knowledge on this front have had the oppertunity to use wikileaks, there have been millions and millions of documents regarding US stuff, stuff that should have indicated something, anything, but yet............nothing - we just get beaurocratic drivel about Sarkozy chasing a rabbit around the office, and a few US diplomats who think that mugabai is a crazy old man.
could it be that they really are just conspiracies, and govenments arent really holding much back other than who is dieing where...the world isnt perhaps as deep as people might like to think it is..
I've always found the BBC to be sickeningly pro-American to be honest with you.
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Posted - 2010/12/02 : 19:31:18
i'm guessing you mean post-bush! because as soon as obama got into power the BBC went american-crazy like they had always loved america, they even had massively pro-obama parady song on radio one, they would never have done that with the previous administration.
they took the biggest pleasure in ripping america apart pre-obama lol.
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TheOneNOnly
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Posted - 2010/12/02 : 20:06:48
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Originally posted by jenks:
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Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
Heroes giving me information I learned 16 years ago, thank you Wikileaks.
So you knew that the US had nuclear weapons based secretly in Holland, Belgium, Germany and Turkey? No, I don't believe you did.
The United States, the most powerful country in the world who has influence across the globe, has nuclear weapons in other countries that apart of NATO? Holy shit! Thanks Batman!
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Warnman
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Posted - 2010/12/02 : 21:38:57
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Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
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Originally posted by jenks:
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Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
Heroes giving me information I learned 16 years ago, thank you Wikileaks.
So you knew that the US had nuclear weapons based secretly in Holland, Belgium, Germany and Turkey? No, I don't believe you did.
The United States, the most powerful country in the world who has influence across the globe, has nuclear weapons in other countries that apart of NATO? Holy shit! Thanks Batman!
I confirm that at least the nuclear weapons in Germany weren't unknown to the public unofficially. Germany is such a densely populated country, that the Americans were not able to hide the transports of nuclear weapons from the local population. Plappermouths, who exist everywhere did the rest.
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jenks
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Posted - 2010/12/02 : 22:26:04
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Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
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Originally posted by jenks:
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Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
Heroes giving me information I learned 16 years ago, thank you Wikileaks.
So you knew that the US had nuclear weapons based secretly in Holland, Belgium, Germany and Turkey? No, I don't believe you did.
The United States, the most powerful country in the world who has influence across the globe, has nuclear weapons in other countries that apart of NATO? Holy shit! Thanks Batman!
That isn't the piece of information leaked though is it? What's leaked is which countries those are. Now you might like to act all blas about it in a desperate attempt to defend the argument you've constructed out of ignorance, but somehow I think this information is going to be important to the citizens of those countries that have had nukes stashed in their country behind their backs.
Not that this really matters, it's just a diversionary tactic on your part of take attention away from your ridiculous 'attention whore' assertion.
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whispering
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Posted - 2010/12/03 : 17:08:57
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
heres what interests me the most - UFOs, Aliens and 9/11 + alllllll the other conspiracies - the millions of people who could have knowledge on this front have had the oppertunity to use wikileaks, there have been millions and millions of documents regarding US stuff, stuff that should have indicated something, anything, but yet............nothing - we just get beaurocratic drivel about Sarkozy chasing a rabbit around the office, and a few US diplomats who think that mugabai is a crazy old man.
Something to look forward to:
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Originally posted by Guardian:
Asked whether Wikileaks had ever received documents relating to UFOs, he said: "Many weirdos email us about UFOs or how they discovered that they were the antiChrist whilst talking with their ex-wife at a garden party over a pot-plant."
However, he said, none had yet satisfied the twin publishing criteria: "that the documents not be self-authored; that they be original".
But he added: "It is worth noting that in yet-to-be-published parts of the cablegate archive there are indeed references to UFOs."
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Lilley
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Posted - 2010/12/03 : 22:22:37
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TheOneNOnly you have no idea what you're talking about. The information was leaked in it's entirely to selected media outlets, they're sifting through it and reporting whatever they like of it. Also, the idea that they're attention seeking is laughable, the only reason they have any sort of public presence or front man at all is because the media demands it, and Julian Assange was already a public figure so he had to do it, not to mention that no one else really wants to do it for fear of their life. Hell, the creator has to live a nomadic life because of it. Wikileaks is non-profit, it functions thanks to hundreds of volunteers and detonators, no one stands anything to gain from this so-called 'attention' but us. The people involved are not gaining, far from it, many have had to sacrifice a hell of a lot to make this happen. They're ****ing hero's.
Thank you for posting what I couldn't bother to.
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2010/12/03 : 23:27:47
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Originally posted by whispering:
quote:
Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
heres what interests me the most - UFOs, Aliens and 9/11 + alllllll the other conspiracies - the millions of people who could have knowledge on this front have had the oppertunity to use wikileaks, there have been millions and millions of documents regarding US stuff, stuff that should have indicated something, anything, but yet............nothing - we just get beaurocratic drivel about Sarkozy chasing a rabbit around the office, and a few US diplomats who think that mugabai is a crazy old man.
Something to look forward to:
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Originally posted by Guardian:
Asked whether Wikileaks had ever received documents relating to UFOs, he said: "Many weirdos email us about UFOs or how they discovered that they were the antiChrist whilst talking with their ex-wife at a garden party over a pot-plant."
However, he said, none had yet satisfied the twin publishing criteria: "that the documents not be self-authored; that they be original".
But he added: "It is worth noting that in yet-to-be-published parts of the cablegate archive there are indeed references to UFOs."
thaaaaats more like it!
its just going to be a couple of diplomats saying "hah, can't believe these conspiracy theorist still think we know whats going on, how paranoid are they?!?!" lol
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nicktork
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Posted - 2010/12/04 : 09:32:01
i hate the american government!
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