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latininxtc
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 Posted - 2011/01/02 : 03:24:49
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Originally posted by Mortis:
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
Notto be confused with the othr Double Dutch that is Brisk & Ham (I think)
Nope.
Brisk hasn't written or remixed a track by himself for years. He always seems to work with other producers. Funny that because if it was anyone else they would be slagged off for having "no talent" like Dougal was a few years back.
i thought about that too when we were discussing or questioning what Dougal does exactly. My guess is b/c Brisk doesn't just exclusively work with 1 other producer, it is easier to tell that he does in fact have talent, skills
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Mortis
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Posted - 2011/01/02 : 10:57:52
I don't know what the deal is with both Dougal & Brisk. They've both been involved in some of the biggest hardcore tunes ever so they obviously have talent, maybe they just don't have all of the skills to make tracks on their own or maybe they just prefer to work with others. Who knows?
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Posted - 2011/01/02 : 11:36:44
I think Gammer once wrote on FB how he didn't look forward to a day in the studio with Dougal, does that mean anything you think?
As for Brisk, that guy does a hell lot more than Dougal so he's excused PLUS he made some solo remixes back in the days (Brisk's remix of Hyperspace is brilliant!). Also, you can tell which parts in collabs that are influenced by Brisk. I also suspect he's responsible for the male voices in his tunes (like Fire & Flames, Make You Mine, Angel Eyes, etc) - at first I thought they were samples but it really sounds like the one and same voice and I never heard those samples used anywhere else - correct me if I'm wrong. He also usually finds some unknown female singer, like Hixxy has his own who doesn't get credited.
So yeah, I'd say Brisk is pretty much excused for not doing a lot of solo tunes. :p
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Mortis
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Posted - 2011/01/02 : 11:44:57
The male vocal in Angel Eyes is a sample. I've got it on my PC, it's widely used.
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acidfluxxbass
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Posted - 2011/01/02 : 12:42:19
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Originally posted by Mortis:
I don't know what the deal is with both Dougal & Brisk. They've both been involved in some of the biggest hardcore tunes ever so they obviously have talent, maybe they just don't have all of the skills to make tracks on their own or maybe they just prefer to work with others. Who knows?
Maybe they arent musicians. Sure, they can produce, but maybe they can't write good music... Gammer and Ham can!
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Posted - 2011/01/02 : 13:39:52
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I think Gammer once wrote on FB how he didn't look forward to a day in the studio with Dougal, does that mean anything you think?
"Obey my bidding, peon!" :p
Dougal has contributed to the scene though, so I'll cut him some slack :)
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Posted - 2011/01/02 : 14:44:03
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Originally posted by Mortis:
I don't know what the deal is with both Dougal & Brisk. They've both been involved in some of the biggest hardcore tunes ever so they obviously have talent, maybe they just don't have all of the skills to make tracks on their own or maybe they just prefer to work with others. Who knows?
Maybe they arent musicians. Sure, they can produce, but maybe they can't write good music... Gammer and Ham can!
No, theyre not engineers, they can't produce. I'm sure theyve picked stuff up through the years but not enough to put out a track alone. I think Dougal is very musical because his tracks have always had a certain type of chord progression no matter who he worked with but he never engineered his tracks. Brisk also has a very definitive style considering the various engineers he uses.
Someone mentioned he remixed tunes alone. He hasnt - credit was probably just omitted or in fine print.
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Posted - 2011/01/03 : 23:51:21
Its number 4 in the official comp chart!
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Sam Swift
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Posted - 2011/01/04 : 13:01:33
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What annoys me most of all is that alot of the tracks start with a great synth and vocal and it's really encouraging, but then the bass kicks in with all this farting up and down and then the synth gets cut to bits and ruined. Theres's about 12 good tracks which isn't bad for 8 and none of them are on breeze's disk which isn't a suprise at all.
Fark man, get with the times!!!!! That sped up cheesey vocal trance stuff has been done for over a decade. Is good to see Hardcore producers experimenting with Electro, Techno and Dubsteb style sounds and different beats. Go listen to Hardcore from 2005 if you still want that shit.
Annoys me so much when people complain about producers for trying something different from the norm.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2011/01/04 : 17:28:32
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(Brisk's remix of Hyperspace is brilliant!)
Lol is that really the best remix you could think of, he has done remixes far far better. Some of his older remixes are my favourite all time tunes.
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Is good to see Hardcore producers experimenting with Electro, Techno and Dubsteb style sounds
There is nothing good about these things :P You just explained right there that they are doing anything but being different.
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Posted - 2011/01/04 : 17:31:08
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Its number 4 in the official comp chart!
A sure sign of how bad it is. Stuff has to be really average to get that far to appeal to enough people on average for it to get that far.
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Sam Swift
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Posted - 2011/01/04 : 22:50:12
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Is good to see Hardcore producers experimenting with Electro, Techno and Dubsteb style sounds
There is nothing good about these things :P You just explained right there that they are doing anything but being different.
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Just because something sells well, it does'nt mean it's bad. Hardcore Underground sold well too lol. Guess that's crap too because a lot of people bought it.
As for experimenting with Dubstep and Electro. Would you rather Hardcore produces to keep copying Trance? Because at the end of the day that is all most Freeform and Uk Hardcore sounds like is Trance on speed. How is that original???
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acidfluxxbass
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Posted - 2011/01/04 : 22:53:37
Re-Con and pixxy dabbled in a bit of dubstep with Resensitize on htid. Wasnt very pretty... :(
And the reason people big up Hardcore Underground is because it retained the spirit of Hardcore series like Bonkers and so on had. Its just a mix with the best new music the scene has to offer from the artists that the DJ's choose to include.
Its not all their own stuff thats been churned through the speakers over and over again. Hardcore Underground runs more like the album series that people dig, rather than as a business.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2011/01/04 : 22:58:02
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As for experimenting with Dubstep and Electro. Would you rather Hardcore produces to keep copying Trance?
It is equally bad. Also I'm talking about popular in terms of top 40 popularity and the album chart, not popular in Hardcore terms.
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Sam Swift
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Posted - 2011/01/04 : 22:58:58
Yeah it might not always sound good man. But at least they are experimenting. I'm just so sick of hearing Hardcore tracks which sound like something which has been done a million times before.
Darwin seems to have the idea. He experiments a lot with productions. Adding drum n bass and techno inflences in his tunes.
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