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Triquatra
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 Posted - 2011/02/10 : 08:00:31
well, some feedback on the actual questionaire..i personally found it ok at the start,
..but then as it got on, for someone who doesnt do drugs, or know many (if any to be honest) people that do them but who does often go to raves - the questionaire became basically impossible (last page especially, i ended up closing it as the questions were too complex to answer) as theres no option to say "i dont do drugs" or "i have no idea"
and as its a requirement to answer a question to go to the next page, someone who doesnt take drugs, but often goes to raves has to randomly pick an answer in order to continue..going to give you some dodgy results
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JayHH86
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Posted - 2011/02/10 : 10:30:17
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
well, some feedback on the actual questionaire..i personally found it ok at the start,
..but then as it got on, for someone who doesnt do drugs, or know many (if any to be honest) people that do them but who does often go to raves - the questionaire became basically impossible (last page especially, i ended up closing it as the questions were too complex to answer) as theres no option to say "i dont do drugs" or "i have no idea"
and as its a requirement to answer a question to go to the next page, someone who doesnt take drugs, but often goes to raves has to randomly pick an answer in order to continue..going to give you some dodgy results
Dude, she did say: "You just need to have taken drugs previously in a rave, you don't need to be taking them now.". Sounds like you've not taken drugs before? Maybe I'm wrong, but just from what you've written there, sounds like you haven't.
So aaaaactually Triq, you are the one giving dodgy results! Ha! lol
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Posted - 2011/02/10 : 10:37:19
what you quoted me on i was entirely refering to myself, i don't, and havent ever felt the need to..
though in the questionaire alcohol counts as a drug, which indeed it is, so what I said still stands, but perhaps with the addition of the word "illegal" in front..
ie. "for someone who doesnt do illegal drugs, or know many (if any to be honest) people that do them but who does often go to raves..."
tons of people drink, more people than pop pills
as one of those people who drink at a rave but dont do illegal drugs (or smoke for that matter) the questions toward the end were baffling and wouldnt pertain to someone who just drinks...but yet you still have to answer them in order to continue the questionaire..
i'm not trying to interfere, i just wanted to point out something that may have been missed, dont want anyone to screw up a dissertation! :)
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Posted - 2011/02/10 : 11:01:39
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
what you quoted me on i was entirely refering to myself, i don't, and havent ever felt the need to..
though in the questionaire alcohol counts as a drug, which indeed it is, so what I said still stands, but perhaps with the addition of the word "illegal" in front..
ie. "for someone who doesnt do illegal drugs, or know many (if any to be honest) people that do them but who does often go to raves..."
tons of people drink, more people than pop pills
as one of those people who drink at a rave but dont do illegal drugs (or smoke for that matter) the questions toward the end were baffling and wouldnt pertain to someone who just drinks...but yet you still have to answer them in order to continue the questionaire..
i'm not trying to interfere, i just wanted to point out something that may have been missed, dont want anyone to screw up a dissertation! :)
Totally see your point man. Of course booze is a drug, but you just don't think of it as a conventional, bona fide drug in this context. Well, I wasn't when I replied to your post, anyway.
As for the whole booze v drugs issue - I too just drink at raves these days. It's considerably more expensive (your necking a lot of drinks in an eight or nine hour rave), but I have so much more energy and appreciate the music more. I've never really felt, or experienced, that ecstasy increases my appreciation for the music. When I do pills at raves, the night's focus shifts from being about the music, to being about the drug. Sitting around, talking to other pilled up ravers and cuddling mates and looking at hot girls. I stop raving and just mong out, effectively, which is a kind of pointless. That said, I do really, really enjoy the sitting around talking to random ravers and just letting that powerful buzz wash over me, but I obviously prefer raving my tits off looking like a retard on the dancefloor when I'm pissed and energetic.
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2011/02/10 : 12:39:20
also the topic title "calling all ravers"
isnt really the case :P
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Posted - 2011/02/10 : 13:17:36
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
also the topic title "calling all ravers"
isnt really the case :P
Oh dear lol.
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Posted - 2011/02/10 : 14:10:39
I finished the survey 4 ya, u owe me 1 
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Posted - 2011/02/10 : 14:37:25
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Originally posted by JayHH86:
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
what you quoted me on i was entirely refering to myself, i don't, and havent ever felt the need to..
though in the questionaire alcohol counts as a drug, which indeed it is, so what I said still stands, but perhaps with the addition of the word "illegal" in front..
ie. "for someone who doesnt do illegal drugs, or know many (if any to be honest) people that do them but who does often go to raves..."
tons of people drink, more people than pop pills
as one of those people who drink at a rave but dont do illegal drugs (or smoke for that matter) the questions toward the end were baffling and wouldnt pertain to someone who just drinks...but yet you still have to answer them in order to continue the questionaire..
i'm not trying to interfere, i just wanted to point out something that may have been missed, dont want anyone to screw up a dissertation! :)
Totally see your point man. Of course booze is a drug, but you just don't think of it as a conventional, bona fide drug in this context. Well, I wasn't when I replied to your post, anyway.
As for the whole booze v drugs issue - I too just drink at raves these days. It's considerably more expensive (your necking a lot of drinks in an eight or nine hour rave), but I have so much more energy and appreciate the music more. I've never really felt, or experienced, that ecstasy increases my appreciation for the music. When I do pills at raves, the night's focus shifts from being about the music, to being about the drug. Sitting around, talking to other pilled up ravers and cuddling mates and looking at hot girls. I stop raving and just mong out, effectively, which is a kind of pointless. That said, I do really, really enjoy the sitting around talking to random ravers and just letting that powerful buzz wash over me, but I obviously prefer raving my tits off looking like a retard on the dancefloor when I'm pissed and energetic.
Have to say I agree a bit! I drink very rarely (only really at home a handful of times a year or so) and the first few times I did mdma I would go mental to the music...then just go mental, then run out to the smoking area, then play with some glowsticks and the music just became a background thing for me (a bloody brilliant one but still). What gets me more into the music is just getting lost in the crowd and dancing with people.
If you REALLY want to appreciate music on pills, I recommend going to a house music night or something, I was fortunate enough to recently experience house on mdma in room 2 of a hardcore rave and that felt BRILLIANT. The groove just felt incredible and the beats were just hypnotic and danceable enough to enjoy without totally crazing out and having your eyes roll back into your head for most of the set.
Wicked thing was that the next DJ and a good friend of mine picked everyone out of the house vibe with ebeneezer goode and then took us back into hardcore after that. Dancing to ebeneezer goode on mdma/pills will put the biggest grin on your face EVER. Will not ever forget that experience.
Rattled on a bit here, hopefully some of the non-drug users will get an idea as to why people do them. I for one will never shy away from talking about drugs, they shouldn't be a taboo and I believe everyone has a right to experiment with them and enjoy them.
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Posted - 2011/02/10 : 14:56:10
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I was fortunate enough to recently experience house on mdma in room 2 of a hardcore rave and that felt BRILLIANT. The groove just felt incredible and the beats were just hypnotic and danceable enough to enjoy without totally crazing out and having your eyes roll back into your head for most of the set.
This is why my interest in Hardcore at raves was long ago taken over by much better things. Hardcore isn't great to dance to let's be honest, it dosn't have much rhythm and is badly produced so you only really hear a mush of bass. Slower more grooving stuff on the other hand is ****ing great, even though i wouldn't generally listen to it at home and otherwise not a particular fan. But music for listening to and music for dancing 2 are just two completely different things for me.
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Posted - 2011/02/10 : 14:56:51
good discussion, but to just to point out that i wasnt getting in on that conversation whatsoever, and have no intention of getting into that as its not something that effects or interests me, i was just pointing out something i noticed about the questionaire.
frankly couldnt care less what other people do, as long as it doesnt hurt me or mine. :)
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Posted - 2011/02/10 : 19:09:20
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I was fortunate enough to recently experience house on mdma in room 2 of a hardcore rave and that felt BRILLIANT. The groove just felt incredible and the beats were just hypnotic and danceable enough to enjoy without totally crazing out and having your eyes roll back into your head for most of the set.
This is why my interest in Hardcore at raves was long ago taken over by much better things. Hardcore isn't great to dance to let's be honest, it dosn't have much rhythm and is badly produced so you only really hear a mush of bass. Slower more grooving stuff on the other hand is ****ing great, even though i wouldn't generally listen to it at home and otherwise not a particular fan. But music for listening to and music for dancing 2 are just two completely different things for me.
Yeah I agree, I will bounce to hardcore on mdma but I lose interest very quickly because of what you said; it is just a mush of bass after a while. There's been a few times where it's been okay, once at History of Hardcore in London a particular upfront tune caught my ear in the main room and I danced for 9 hours solid and that was without drugs. Never came close to that afterwards though.
Oldskool can be good though, I've had more luck being actually able to hear oldskool properly than I have upfront. I have often pondered what it is that makes everything so bassy but with anything pre 2002 it tends to be fine for the most part so I wonder if it's not the way upfront is produced. Probably combined with club sound systems too, seeing as they probably cater to garage and RnB as opposed to hardcore.
And it's never too late Triq! The great thing about MDMA is having an amazing experience, being fairly well in control (moreso than alcohol unless you over do it) being able to remember it afterwards and feeling like you've really found something inside yourself that you'd never seen before, definitely an enlightening experience. I like that it's not just RUSH RUSH RUSH but that there some psychedelic elements in it too.
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Posted - 2011/02/11 : 00:39:54
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I would also like to know why people take drugs at raves.
For the same reason anyone does them anywhere, including alcohol. Anywhere at all. The question often comes up as why people 'need' to drugs at a rave but the question is already irrelevant as no one does them because they 'need' to any more than anyone does anythnig else because they need to. You will notice the only people actually making such comments are those that have never done drugs etc, hence their completely illogical and strange view of the matter.
Is the 'such comments' bit aimed at me? Like I said.. I'm part of the rave scene, so why would I have an illogical view?
The research is NOT only based on motives of drug use, I'm also looking at drugs knowledge/quantities of drugs consumed/polydrug use/legal highs etc.. research such as this is needed for appropriate harm minimisation techniques to be established.
It wasn't even partly aimed at you (i was replying directly to Bonkers4Life). I've no idea if you do drugs or not. Also I'm not in support of drugs, it's just an observation. I'm also not suggesting that you have to do drugs to get what I'm saying, just that that's the only time it wouldn't make sense to someone.
Okies that's cool :) sorry if I misread what you said.
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Posted - 2011/02/17 : 18:54:09
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
well, some feedback on the actual questionaire..i personally found it ok at the start,
..but then as it got on, for someone who doesnt do drugs, or know many (if any to be honest) people that do them but who does often go to raves - the questionaire became basically impossible (last page especially, i ended up closing it as the questions were too complex to answer) as theres no option to say "i dont do drugs" or "i have no idea"
and as its a requirement to answer a question to go to the next page, someone who doesnt take drugs, but often goes to raves has to randomly pick an answer in order to continue..going to give you some dodgy results
Hi, the questionnaire is merely for those ravers who have taken drugs at past raves (everything refers to PAST use). Also, I have not produced these questions/statements, they are all comprised from published psychological research.
Anyway guys, I still require more ravers! Getting close, please help me!!! :)
Thanks! =)
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