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Hard2Get
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 Posted - 2011/03/09 : 22:43:58
You will find people will agree with me unanimously.
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Warnman
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Posted - 2011/03/09 : 22:45:41
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Originally posted by Revs:
And indeed most 'Hardcore Techno' is UK Hardcore and not Gabber or something,
Ask Marc Arcadipane about this! ;-)
Gabba is older than the Hardcore Techno tracks which have used the happy sounds.
I grew up with Techno being a term used for all EDM-genres besides House and Dance. I really don't know any song, which can be classified as Techno as a genre.
Interesting to know, that until the beginning of the 90's the same kind of music had been summarised to the term "House Music" (although probably most of it doesn't have anything to do with that, what we would define as "House" (just thinking of Acid [-House] or Hip House [early Eurodance]).
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2011/03/09 : 22:48:13
Trying to classify the earliest electronic tracks as any genre is an impossible task as such pigeon-holing simply didn't exist then as it does now.
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Revs
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Posted - 2011/03/09 : 22:52:53
@ Warnman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbG9VssKK_o
But I'm not sure why it says minimal, it's normal Techno, not minimal.
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
You will find people will agree with me unanimously.
Because they're all mainstream!
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Warnman
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Posted - 2011/03/09 : 23:07:02
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Trying to classify the earliest electronic tracks as any genre is an impossible task as such pigeon-holing simply didn't exist then as it does now.
But all those discussions have been about looking for a general term to combine all these genres (even if their separation had been ridiculous and often was self made by an egocentric person).
This is the point, why I agree that "Hardcore Techno" probably is the best term so far in-use, although it causes headache to several persons.
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Warnman
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Posted - 2011/03/09 : 23:15:42
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Originally posted by Revs:
@ Warnman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbG9VssKK_o
But I'm not sure why it says minimal, it's normal Techno, not minimal.
Tmo this is what in German-speaking society is called Schranz (although it developed more minimal since the time around the milennium). I don't know, if an English translation exists for this genre.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2011/03/09 : 23:16:09
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Originally posted by Warnman:
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Trying to classify the earliest electronic tracks as any genre is an impossible task as such pigeon-holing simply didn't exist then as it does now.
But all those discussions have been about looking for a general term to combine all these genres (even if their separation had been ridiculous and often was self made by an egocentric person).
This is the point, why I agree that "Hardcore Techno" probably is the best term so far in-use, although it causes headache to several persons.
Theoretically it may make more sense than what is currently used, however it is still not what people use to call Hardcore.
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The Dopeman
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Posted - 2011/03/09 : 23:16:48
hardcore is exactly what it is...hardcore the dutch have stayed true to what they think hardcore is while the uk has kinda drifted away n got...well shit n i like techno n don't really see any similarity with hardcore in general so calling it hardcore techno is stupid n as for electronic i always thot that was because it was made using electronic equipment rather that using a piano, guitar etc
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Warnman
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Posted - 2011/03/09 : 23:35:29
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Theoretically it may make more sense than what is currently used, however it is still not what people use to call Hardcore.
OK, I agree with your beginning.
But tell all the people around the world, you're listening to "Hardcore". Not only my self-made experiences have been that most of the people expected me listen to (Hardcore-) Punk Rock. If you use the term "Hardcore" in my area you rather will be faced up with being into "Hardcore Rap" (which is usual Ganster Syle Rap tmo), than listening to Hardcore (-Techno).
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2011/03/10 : 00:14:53
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Originally posted by Revs:
@ Warnman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbG9VssKK_o
But I'm not sure why it says minimal, it's normal Techno, not minimal.
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
You will find people will agree with me unanimously.
Because they're all mainstream!
nope. it's b/c we all don't believe every shit we read online like you do ;)
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frozt
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Posted - 2011/04/06 : 23:15:54
this makes my head hurt.
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yzerman
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Posted - 2011/04/07 : 13:39:28
schranz is different to techno, techno is massive in germany isnt it richie hawtin, sven vath,loco dice etc etc
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cruelcore1
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Posted - 2011/04/07 : 14:30:36
(i didn't read the entire topic)
Hardcore is an EDM genre-group with hard beat and fast speeds, or sometimes low speeds about 80-100 BMP (like Dubstep).
Nowadays most known Hardcore genre is called Gabber.
Happy Hardcore is a Hardcore form that evolved of breakbeat hardcore, gabber and some other oldskool rave styles that has been popular at the end of 20th century. And it was really a happy style.
Nowadays "Happy Hardcore" is actually an evolution of it, known as UK Hardcore, Upfront Hardcore or Uplifting Hardcore; without breakbeats in main parts, combined with some other dance genres like Trance and House, and for difference it can be either happy or dark or "crazy" or sad (many options). Easier UK Hardcore more affected by Trance is called Freeform (old name: Trancecore).
As far as I know, HHC was more popular then than any HC genre today (except maybe DnB) since they made music videos.
Gabber is what most of the people refer to when they say Hardcore.
And it's normal no one knows what Hardcore is, since its popularity dropped in the 21st century. Ones who know would probably think u refer to Gabber.
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Originally posted by Quicksilver:
"Electronica" is not a genre, it's just something stupid people have made up.
Electronica should be EDM in general, but don't mistake it for Electro as a genre.
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Warnman
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Posted - 2011/04/07 : 18:54:08
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Originally posted by yzerman:
schranz is different to techno, techno is massive in germany isnt it richie hawtin, sven vath,loco dice etc etc
At least in my area the term Techno has been used for two things:
1) The genre Techno, which had been played in clubs until end of 80's. The general Term for all kind of EDM was "House" (What we actually call House today was "House music" back then).
2) In the 90's the term Techno replaced House to represent all kind of EDM. The genre Techno kind of was split up into Schranz and Minimal (and smaler unknown genres).
If you mean Minimal: yes, it is very massive here. I disgust it!
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Posted - 2011/04/07 : 19:05:46
to everyone who knows, i just say hardcore cos they're not idiots.
But a lot of the time, i've been asked what i produce by people who wouldn't know what hardcore is. Because of the confusion with minimal house, tech house and minimal techno and all it's ****ing derivatives, i just call it hard dance.
It doesn't matter what you tell people out of the scene because they wont know what you're talking about anyway.
To people in the scene, you could say any number of things and they'd understand.
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