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Wilky
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 Posted - 2011/04/23 : 21:26:00
When will the time come that hardcore will again become about the music and MCs.... just fade away or **** off?
you cant listen to a full mix these days without some MC blabbing his useless, pointless, rapper wannabe fluffy rhymes all over the ****ing music.
i listen to a lot of trance... not once do i hear a MC... i hear music, the music i want to hear... hardcore is becomimng unlistenable... not coz the music is shite... but because MCs chat pure shit all over it.... im not talking personal mixes that get posted on here and various other places around the web... im talking live rave recordings... where u hear the latest tunes... where its more pitched up... where its nice and loud.. where the atmosphere is...
Are MCs needed in hardcore?
Discuss?
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Posted - 2011/04/23 : 21:33:38
Maybe MCs are secretly audio watermarks, speak all over the track so you can't record it. :P
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Posted - 2011/04/23 : 21:53:03
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Maybe MCs are secretly audio watermarks, speak all over the track so you can't record it. :P
Interesting....
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Posted - 2011/04/23 : 21:58:08
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Originally posted by DJ Lawlzy:
Maybe MCs are secretly audio watermarks, speak all over the track so you can't record it. :P
Interesting....
very interesting and in some cases yes i agree and im certain this is why they are used.... but come on.. just no need. as i said in trance it just doesnt exist and in that genre DJs are always playing exclusives and banging out new tunes from up and coming or what ever with out some tit talking over it...
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Posted - 2011/04/23 : 22:55:12
no no no no no. MCs are used to make the party lively, and to get people moving. Let's be honest, for a start trance and hardcore are so different that they're enjoyed and listened to in different ways, so that comparison is irrelevant for a start. And also in hardcore people need someone to get the party started, there would probably a load more violence in hardcore if there weren't MCs.
I can dance no MC or not but I bet there are a bunch of people standing around like lemons without an MC in hardcore. I just get that lemony vibe from some people when I rave. Especially drug dealers, really obvious ones. Just standing around dressed in a trenchcoat not dancing, you just think "what a lemon" they're bound to get caught.
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Posted - 2011/04/23 : 23:06:32
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
no no no no no. MCs are used to make the party lively, and to get people moving. Let's be honest, for a start trance and hardcore are so different that they're enjoyed and listened to in different ways, so that comparison is irrelevant for a start. And also in hardcore people need someone to get the party started, there would probably a load more violence in hardcore if there weren't MCs.
I can dance no MC or not but I bet there are a bunch of people standing around like lemons without an MC in hardcore. I just get that lemony vibe from some people when I rave. Especially drug dealers, really obvious ones. Just standing around dressed in a trenchcoat not dancing, you just think "what a lemon" they're bound to get caught.
this post aloan somes up hardcore haha.... this is why hardcore needs to get a way from MCs... if people cant dance, jump around or be a lunatic just because of the music then u need to move on.... 2 mins b efore i posted this i was making my house shake almost waking my kids up stomping around to hardcore.... almost earthquake style stomping....
trance and hardcore are very much similar.... hardcore still takes a lot from trance... so comparison VALID!!!!
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Posted - 2011/04/23 : 23:16:51
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Originally posted by Wilky:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
no no no no no. MCs are used to make the party lively, and to get people moving. Let's be honest, for a start trance and hardcore are so different that they're enjoyed and listened to in different ways, so that comparison is irrelevant for a start. And also in hardcore people need someone to get the party started, there would probably a load more violence in hardcore if there weren't MCs.
I can dance no MC or not but I bet there are a bunch of people standing around like lemons without an MC in hardcore. I just get that lemony vibe from some people when I rave. Especially drug dealers, really obvious ones. Just standing around dressed in a trenchcoat not dancing, you just think "what a lemon" they're bound to get caught.
this post aloan somes up hardcore haha.... this is why hardcore needs to get a way from MCs... if people cant dance, jump around or be a lunatic just because of the music then u need to move on.... 2 mins b efore i posted this i was making my house shake almost waking my kids up stomping around to hardcore.... almost earthquake style stomping....
trance and hardcore are very much similar.... hardcore still takes a lot from trance... so comparison VALID!!!!
well for that you'd need to change ALL of hardcore totally, which actually I would welcome to be honest but at the moment taking MCs out of the equation would make things worse.
But NO comparison is NOT valid. People listen to trance because it's drifty, it's wafty and it takes your head away to another place, an MC would probably just be a distraction. But for hardcore it has a totally different vibe, like a partyish vibe, lots of communication and so on. It's all about the party and the vibe. There's a lot of self-identification in hardcore "Hardcore ravers make some noise" "make noise if you're a raver" "who's ****ing hardcore?" etc. in trance it doesn't have that. A bit like comparing BBC Night at the Proms to Band Aid.
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Posted - 2011/04/23 : 23:24:52
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
no no no no no. MCs are used to make the party lively, and to get people moving. Let's be honest, for a start trance and hardcore are so different that they're enjoyed and listened to in different ways, so that comparison is irrelevant for a start. And also in hardcore people need someone to get the party started, there would probably a load more violence in hardcore if there weren't MCs.
I can dance no MC or not but I bet there are a bunch of people standing around like lemons without an MC in hardcore. I just get that lemony vibe from some people when I rave. Especially drug dealers, really obvious ones. Just standing around dressed in a trenchcoat not dancing, you just think "what a lemon" they're bound to get caught.
Not really. We rarely have MCs at events here in Canada. Where I live, we have MCs for about 5-10% of the sets.
It's definitely not necessary to have MCs but they can add to the vibe if they do their job right. Unfortunately, most MCs I've heard in the UK are awful and talk over everything.
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Posted - 2011/04/23 : 23:28:39
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by Wilky:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
no no no no no. MCs are used to make the party lively, and to get people moving. Let's be honest, for a start trance and hardcore are so different that they're enjoyed and listened to in different ways, so that comparison is irrelevant for a start. And also in hardcore people need someone to get the party started, there would probably a load more violence in hardcore if there weren't MCs.
I can dance no MC or not but I bet there are a bunch of people standing around like lemons without an MC in hardcore. I just get that lemony vibe from some people when I rave. Especially drug dealers, really obvious ones. Just standing around dressed in a trenchcoat not dancing, you just think "what a lemon" they're bound to get caught.
this post aloan somes up hardcore haha.... this is why hardcore needs to get a way from MCs... if people cant dance, jump around or be a lunatic just because of the music then u need to move on.... 2 mins b efore i posted this i was making my house shake almost waking my kids up stomping around to hardcore.... almost earthquake style stomping....
trance and hardcore are very much similar.... hardcore still takes a lot from trance... so comparison VALID!!!!
well for that you'd need to change ALL of hardcore totally, which actually I would welcome to be honest but at the moment taking MCs out of the equation would make things worse.
But NO comparison is NOT valid. People listen to trance because it's drifty, it's wafty and it takes your head away to another place, an MC would probably just be a distraction. But for hardcore it has a totally different vibe, like a partyish vibe, lots of communication and so on. It's all about the party and the vibe. There's a lot of self-identification in hardcore "Hardcore ravers make some noise" "make noise if you're a raver" "who's ****ing hardcore?" etc. in trance it doesn't have that. A bit like comparing BBC Night at the Proms to Band Aid.
exactly MCs are a distraction away from the music... ravers dont need to make a noise, they do so coz they are told to... that is the same in trance.. if the DJ comes on the mic and says "make some noise blah blah blah" ala armin van buuren on ASOT trance over ever set at some point.. then this just shows people omly make the noise when tod... ravers would fart on command... the poijnt is theres no need for such irriating noise.... gabba... MCs... thats hardcore yet we dont have any.... enough said
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Posted - 2011/04/23 : 23:33:38
Point im trying to make is if you cant enjoy music for the music then move on we dont need people blabbering pointless shite over really good music in our scene... leave that to the scouse bounce scene... not hardcore...
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Posted - 2011/04/23 : 23:35:42
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
no no no no no. MCs are used to make the party lively, and to get people moving. Let's be honest, for a start trance and hardcore are so different that they're enjoyed and listened to in different ways, so that comparison is irrelevant for a start. And also in hardcore people need someone to get the party started, there would probably a load more violence in hardcore if there weren't MCs.
I can dance no MC or not but I bet there are a bunch of people standing around like lemons without an MC in hardcore. I just get that lemony vibe from some people when I rave. Especially drug dealers, really obvious ones. Just standing around dressed in a trenchcoat not dancing, you just think "what a lemon" they're bound to get caught.
Not really. We rarely have MCs at events here in Canada. Where I live, we have MCs for about 5-10% of the sets.
It's definitely not necessary to have MCs but they can add to the vibe if they do their job right. Unfortunately, most MCs I've heard in the UK are awful and talk over everything.
Yes but your scene is very different from ours. Raves are uncommon enough in canada to still have novelty value. Over here it's every weekend sometimes weekdays too, familiarity can make some people get a bit too familiar, fights break out etc. this happens a lot in drum n bass because the MCs encourage it ("I'm seeing left hooks, right hooks!") heard that one once.
I have to say I would get a little bit bored if there was no MC, I like that extra level of communication, I like blowing my whistle and making noise. It would seem weird to rave to hardcore and not hear anything. The good MCs know when not to speak, the bad ones who speak all over the vocals get unplugged. Not that matters because most of the time you can't hear the vocals over the bass anyway.
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Posted - 2011/04/23 : 23:45:42
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
no no no no no. MCs are used to make the party lively, and to get people moving. Let's be honest, for a start trance and hardcore are so different that they're enjoyed and listened to in different ways, so that comparison is irrelevant for a start. And also in hardcore people need someone to get the party started, there would probably a load more violence in hardcore if there weren't MCs.
I can dance no MC or not but I bet there are a bunch of people standing around like lemons without an MC in hardcore. I just get that lemony vibe from some people when I rave. Especially drug dealers, really obvious ones. Just standing around dressed in a trenchcoat not dancing, you just think "what a lemon" they're bound to get caught.
Not really. We rarely have MCs at events here in Canada. Where I live, we have MCs for about 5-10% of the sets.
It's definitely not necessary to have MCs but they can add to the vibe if they do their job right. Unfortunately, most MCs I've heard in the UK are awful and talk over everything.
Yes but your scene is very different from ours. Raves are uncommon enough in canada to still have novelty value. Over here it's every weekend sometimes weekdays too, familiarity can make some people get a bit too familiar, fights break out etc. this happens a lot in drum n bass because the MCs encourage it ("I'm seeing left hooks, right hooks!") heard that one once.
I have to say I would get a little bit bored if there was no MC, I like that extra level of communication, I like blowing my whistle and making noise. It would seem weird to rave to hardcore and not hear anything. The good MCs know when not to speak, the bad ones who speak all over the vocals get unplugged. Not that matters because most of the time you can't hear the vocals over the bass anyway.
ive heard storm and whizzkid mc over lyrics, breakdowns u name it theyve done it... and they are concidered "the best" lol.. if u cant rave and blow a horn without being told to blow it u have a "control" issue... u like being controlled too much
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Posted - 2011/04/24 : 00:04:39
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
no no no no no. MCs are used to make the party lively, and to get people moving. Let's be honest, for a start trance and hardcore are so different that they're enjoyed and listened to in different ways, so that comparison is irrelevant for a start. And also in hardcore people need someone to get the party started, there would probably a load more violence in hardcore if there weren't MCs.
I can dance no MC or not but I bet there are a bunch of people standing around like lemons without an MC in hardcore. I just get that lemony vibe from some people when I rave. Especially drug dealers, really obvious ones. Just standing around dressed in a trenchcoat not dancing, you just think "what a lemon" they're bound to get caught.
Not really. We rarely have MCs at events here in Canada. Where I live, we have MCs for about 5-10% of the sets.
It's definitely not necessary to have MCs but they can add to the vibe if they do their job right. Unfortunately, most MCs I've heard in the UK are awful and talk over everything.
Sometimes they even have the DJ stop the music for a bit (in the middle of everything), e.g. Storm stopping the show to make a Dumb and Dumber joke ("wanna hear the most annoying sound in the world? EEEEEEEEAAAAAAA...").
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Posted - 2011/04/24 : 00:16:12
Some people like MC's, some don't. It's really that simple. Nothing more needs to be said. Neither is correct or wrong.
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Posted - 2011/04/24 : 00:29:45
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Some people like MC's, some don't. It's really that simple. Nothing more needs to be said. Neither is correct or wrong.
agree with this, I like MC's, a lot don't but its not important!
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Posted - 2011/04/24 : 00:52:08
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
no no no no no. MCs are used to make the party lively, and to get people moving. Let's be honest, for a start trance and hardcore are so different that they're enjoyed and listened to in different ways, so that comparison is irrelevant for a start. And also in hardcore people need someone to get the party started, there would probably a load more violence in hardcore if there weren't MCs.
I can dance no MC or not but I bet there are a bunch of people standing around like lemons without an MC in hardcore. I just get that lemony vibe from some people when I rave. Especially drug dealers, really obvious ones. Just standing around dressed in a trenchcoat not dancing, you just think "what a lemon" they're bound to get caught.
Not really. We rarely have MCs at events here in Canada. Where I live, we have MCs for about 5-10% of the sets.
It's definitely not necessary to have MCs but they can add to the vibe if they do their job right. Unfortunately, most MCs I've heard in the UK are awful and talk over everything.
Sometimes they even have the DJ stop the music for a bit (in the middle of everything), e.g. Storm stopping the show to make a Dumb and Dumber joke ("wanna hear the most annoying sound in the world? EEEEEEEEAAAAAAA...").
hahahahahaha what set is that from?
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