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Triquatra
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 Posted - 2011/05/12 : 10:56:03
nah, wilkys right the scene is too small to ever make any real profit from digital, as much as you want to blame late-adoption as the issue, its not, there was profit to be made from Vinyl, CDs and Tapes when digital wasn't around (or at least as largely used) - because that was the only way to get the music, so a person would HAVE to buy the cd to hear the music, and that would involve buying ALL the music on that cd, meaning more money to go round.
now with digital if you were to put all those tracks up that were on the cd an end user has the option to just buy the tracks they wanted, meaning what was a profit of 14GBP back in the 90's has now turned into a distinctly smaller profit as only a few of the tracks, tracks you wanted) get bought - now, couple that with the filesharing *masses* that reduces the artsits share down even more.
all that adopting digital earlier would have done (within hardcore) is speed up the process that has led to this ultimate eventuality.. and of course made fileshariers happier.
it's very sad to see them go. on the bright side ClSM's store is opening soon :)
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acidfluxxbass
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Posted - 2011/05/12 : 11:10:52
yeah thats right. The entire music scene has found the move to digital hard. Companies have survived the change, some couldnt adapt. Occassionally circumstances change beyond what a company can handle and thats the situation with NEC. Its a big shame.
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Samination
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Posted - 2011/05/12 : 15:31:14
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
nah, wilkys right the scene is too small to ever make any real profit from digital, as much as you want to blame late-adoption as the issue, its not, there was profit to be made from Vinyl, CDs and Tapes when digital wasn't around (or at least as largely used) - because that was the only way to get the music, so a person would HAVE to buy the cd to hear the music, and that would involve buying ALL the music on that cd, meaning more money to go round.
now with digital if you were to put all those tracks up that were on the cd an end user has the option to just buy the tracks they wanted, meaning what was a profit of 14GBP back in the 90's has now turned into a distinctly smaller profit as only a few of the tracks, tracks you wanted) get bought - now, couple that with the filesharing *masses* that reduces the artsits share down even more.
all that adopting digital earlier would have done (within hardcore) is speed up the process that has led to this ultimate eventuality.. and of course made fileshariers happier.
it's very sad to see them go. on the bright side ClSM's store is opening soon :)
well that's a good deal imo. Why would I want to pay for shit if I could just get the good parts? That's one part of why the slow adaptation hits everyone hard.
Stealing a quote from acid's post, it's all about adapting. If yo don't adapt to the market, you will fail.
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Posted - 2011/05/12 : 15:50:35
one problem? that has nothing to do with a "slow" adaption being the problem
its the slow adaption that kept things going so long, in a *larger* scene perhaps it wouldnt have been so bad, but in this hardcore scene switching so quickly would have killed off labels much much quicker.
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2011/05/12 : 16:09:51
I think really what we have to consider is that hardcore is 'rave music'. It's at 170-180bpm and will always be a relatively niche genre in electronic music, let alone the mainstream therefore it will feel the lumps and bumps of progression in technology/sound/etc. more than other genres will.
I have to say there was nothing on the label I particularly liked. Nothing against freeform because the production is often top notch but freeform tracks rarely make any lasting impact on me at all, it's just nice background noise if it's on.
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Samination
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Posted - 2011/05/12 : 16:19:00
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I think really what we have to consider is that hardcore is 'rave music'. It's at 170-180bpm and will always be a relatively niche genre in electronic music, let alone the mainstream therefore it will feel the lumps and bumps of progression in technology/sound/etc. more than other genres will.
I have to say there was nothing on the label I particularly liked. Nothing against freeform because the production is often top notch but freeform tracks rarely make any lasting impact on me at all, it's just nice background noise if it's on.
unless its from before 2008 :P
Triq: we could argue as much as we wont, but unless any of us comes up with proof to our theories, it's just an trolling competition (for my part atleast)
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Posted - 2011/05/12 : 16:32:43
we need a Nu Nu Energy Collective..
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Posted - 2011/05/12 : 16:36:21
Samination - it's not theory, there was a time before digital, people didn't have a choice, it was physical only.
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2011/05/12 : 16:44:23
I thing Triq is right on the money side of things. I never considered that aspect but it makes a lot of sense.
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Posted - 2011/05/14 : 10:12:16
just been listening to bonkers 9 10 and 11 so if this is a re-run of 99 bring on 3 years time:)
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Posted - 2011/05/14 : 22:02:15
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
nah, wilkys right the scene is too small to ever make any real profit from digital, as much as you want to blame late-adoption as the issue, its not, there was profit to be made from Vinyl, CDs and Tapes when digital wasn't around (or at least as largely used) - because that was the only way to get the music, so a person would HAVE to buy the cd to hear the music, and that would involve buying ALL the music on that cd, meaning more money to go round.
now with digital if you were to put all those tracks up that were on the cd an end user has the option to just buy the tracks they wanted, meaning what was a profit of 14GBP back in the 90's has now turned into a distinctly smaller profit as only a few of the tracks, tracks you wanted) get bought - now, couple that with the filesharing *masses* that reduces the artsits share down even more.
all that adopting digital earlier would have done (within hardcore) is speed up the process that has led to this ultimate eventuality.. and of course made fileshariers happier.
it's very sad to see them go. on the bright side ClSM's store is opening soon :)
I thought clsm had a store on their website?
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Posted - 2011/05/14 : 23:55:50
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
nah, wilkys right the scene is too small to ever make any real profit from digital, as much as you want to blame late-adoption as the issue, its not, there was profit to be made from Vinyl, CDs and Tapes when digital wasn't around (or at least as largely used) - because that was the only way to get the music, so a person would HAVE to buy the cd to hear the music, and that would involve buying ALL the music on that cd, meaning more money to go round.
now with digital if you were to put all those tracks up that were on the cd an end user has the option to just buy the tracks they wanted, meaning what was a profit of 14GBP back in the 90's has now turned into a distinctly smaller profit as only a few of the tracks, tracks you wanted) get bought - now, couple that with the filesharing *masses* that reduces the artsits share down even more.
all that adopting digital earlier would have done (within hardcore) is speed up the process that has led to this ultimate eventuality.. and of course made fileshariers happier.
it's very sad to see them go. on the bright side ClSM's store is opening soon :)
I thought clsm had a store on their website?
he did and it was closed b/c jon was in the process of revamping the site. it's open now!
it looks great but i kind of wish it categorized songs by label.
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Posted - 2011/05/15 : 00:47:58
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he did and it was closed b/c jon was in the process of revamping the site. it's open now!
it looks great but i kind of wish it categorized songs by label.
It's not open for me. I just get this: http://www.moas.co.uk/launchpage.png
Trying to go directly to the store pages gives me a 404 as well.
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Posted - 2011/05/15 : 01:25:56
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
he did and it was closed b/c jon was in the process of revamping the site. it's open now!
it looks great but i kind of wish it categorized songs by label.
It's not open for me. I just get this: http://www.moas.co.uk/launchpage.png
Trying to go directly to the store pages gives me a 404 as well.
odd. it doesn't show that it's opened BUT i clicked on a link that led me to this page. can't remember where i saw it tho. o well here's the link
http://www.moas.co.uk/store/
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Posted - 2011/05/15 : 03:43:18
I'm absolutely gutted about NEC closing, has been my favourite label for many years. It's done more for Freeform than anyone before has, and I wish Kev the best of luck in the future.
I don't think it means the end of Freeform though, there are still HEAPS of awesome artists producing top quality stuff, and I know I for one will still buy it.
On a side note, with NEC closing I have made a Freeform forum to keep the discussions we had at the NEC site alive, if anyone wants to join the address is http://freeformhardcore.forumotion.com/ and I'd love to see the Freeform movement kicking on. All artists are welcome to promote their stuff and all Freeform fanatics are welcome to talk about the music (as well as talk shit of course :P).
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