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Archefluxx
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 Posted - 2011/11/29 : 01:05:37
Just a thought:-
I've noticed across the web that more people are mixing hardcore are people who like the kandi style of things, and like anime and stuff. Ive seen hoards of YT videos on YT (obviosuly) with anime or furries artwork.
Hardcore generally is becoming very popular in the States and amongst this demographic area of people (for lack of a better word).
My query is this; Would hardcore be more successful amongst more people like this and in general if it wasnt called 'Hardcore' and rather another genre name?
Personally I'm embarrassed when I tell people about hardcore. People seem to misinterpret it and almost see it as that voodoo kind of genre that no one specifically likes. That's what Ive experienced anyway.
Thoughts?
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Dys7
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Posted - 2011/11/29 : 01:36:01
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Originally posted by Archefluxx:
Just a thought:-
I've noticed across the web that more people are mixing hardcore are people who like the kandi style of things, and like anime and stuff. Ive seen hoards of YT videos on YT (obviosuly) with anime or furries artwork.
Hardcore generally is becoming very popular in the States and amongst this demographic area of people (for lack of a better word).
My query is this; Would hardcore be more successful amongst more people like this and in general if it wasnt called 'Hardcore' and rather another genre name?
Personally I'm embarrassed when I tell people about hardcore. People seem to misinterpret it and almost see it as that voodoo kind of genre that no one specifically likes. That's what Ive experienced anyway.
Thoughts?
If you're talking about things like Renard, I think the opposite would be better.
If the negatives were identified with a name other than hardcore, there'd be no reason to dislike the name.
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warped_candykid
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Posted - 2011/11/29 : 01:40:42
Hardcore...gaining popularity in the States 'looks around'? lol. Yes, back in the late 90s when Happy Hardcore was really picking up here in North America, the core following was of course, the candy ravers, and candy ravers still remain the top crowd for Happy Hardcore music here in the states. Changing the name would be detrimental in my opinion, because for years, that's how its been known here in States. It's already rare enough to hear at an event, why the change the name and have to wait for the a whole generation to pick up the new term?
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deathproof627
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Posted - 2011/11/29 : 02:17:11
ya im going to have to agree with warped this one. Hardcore is pretty unheard of genre around america. There is also a lack of djs who actually play hardcore especially here in california and the west coast in general. When people think of hardcore here in america they think of cotts, ravine, and serl.
Also hardcore over here is associated with cheesy female vocals which isnt really people want to listen to when they want some hard dance. I usually just tell my friends i listen to gay british techno because what alot of the upfront stuff is.
Also hardcore is associated with anime and all that nonsense which is a turn off to most edm fans especially here in los angeles. The main edm genres people listen to are house, electro, dubstep and i guess upfront trance like tiesto.
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2011/11/29 : 02:47:33
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Originally posted by deathproof627:
ya im going to have to agree with warped this one. Hardcore is pretty unheard of genre around america. There is also a lack of djs who actually play hardcore especially here in california and the west coast in general.
Super K, Ace Crikey, Buddy Blue, 2 B Happy, En3rgy, Big Sm:)es...sooo many others. Cali has loads of happy hardcore DJs! Get yourself to downtown LA! I know a bunch of people out that way and am apparently meant to be playing there next July. S3RL is there a lot too. You have to dig for the underground parties. The west coast has loads of Hardcore DJs too, particularly in Seattle, also in Portland the Disko Warp guys do parties too, but mainly those are at anime conventions..which brings me back to the topic..
In the UK, going to raves is something the cool kids do..the majority of hardcore fans in the UK are from raves, they're not nerds or anything like that, whereas in America a lot of the true ravers are the social 'outcasts' not literally the outcasts, but they're the people more likely to be a part of internet culture, listen to different kinds of music (rave music isn't mainstream in the US) wear different clothes and be different from everyone else. Over here also our ravers are almost all 18+ (otherwise they wouldn't be allowed in) whereas 16-20 year olds can go to raves in the US (sometimes younger).
However because hardcore is also a slightly gimmicky genre due to it's speed, it's been the target of all kinds of remixes and internet abuse has gotten big with the anime crowd thanks to J-Core and Speedycake accidentally syncing the original Caramelldansen up to 180 bpm on internet radio and the meme exploding. So on the internet it attracts a lot of anime fans I guess. Not to forget dance games either, maybe that falls under J-Core but rhythm games have boosted hardcore's cred with gamers and nerds.
So yeah, that answers your question. Not a great deal of anime fans like electronic music in the UK, I lost a lot of my anime friends because they thought I was becoming a chav by going to raves and listening to electronic music. I've always been the oddball of the rave scene here in the UK as I'm an 'internet person' I guess and fell into the kandy kid scene before falling into the UK rave scene. But that's a whole different story for another day.. You can however find a few other UK producers and DJs who are into more geeky stuff. Gammer and Eufeion namely...and anyone associated with the J-Core scene
I was a kandy kid and an anime fan before I touched a pair of decks or thought about producing Happy Hardcore, so personally the music I play and make is aimed at other kandy kids, happy hardcore is the kandy kid sound, without it you can't really have kandy kids as a subculture which is why I'm so intent on making music and a strong scene for them - because in the ever-changing hardcore scene they have sadly been left behind, often still listening to the same vinyls from the 90s...I aim to bring a knew kind of happy hardcore to them that they and anybody else who loves Happy Hardcore can have a thriving music scene that they can continually enjoy & experience without feeling like they're listening to the same songs rehashed and updated.
And er...yeah. Hope that answers the question ^^;
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deathproof627
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Posted - 2011/11/29 : 03:36:34
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Super K, Ace Crikey, Buddy Blue, 2 B Happy, En3rgy, Big Sm:)es...sooo many others. Cali has loads of happy hardcore DJs! Get yourself to downtown LA! I know a bunch of people out that way and am apparently meant to be playing there next July. S3RL is there a lot too. You have to dig for the underground parties. The west coast has loads of Hardcore DJs too, particularly in Seattle, also in Portland the Disko Warp guys do parties too, but mainly those are at anime conventions..which brings me back to the topic..
wow i honestly had no idea and i literally live 5 minutes from downtown la. I know scott brown will be in town next friday so hopefully i can convince some friends to go and be open to a new genre. Did you find these events and djs through the Internet or word of mouth? Any more suggestions about the hardcore scene in la would be greatly appreciated.
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warped_candykid
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Posted - 2011/11/29 : 07:34:53
deathproof...you're in California and can't find Hardcore? That's where the majority of Happy Hardcore music is located here in the States. They also even do Raver Day at Disneyland once a year for you California candy ravers!
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Archefluxx
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Posted - 2011/11/29 : 10:11:28
Thats the thing. Happy Hardcore has a softer appeal and a more cheerful look with the alliteration and candy theme.
Todays general Hardcore is branded with an underground basement theme that almost promotes drug use and stuff. Cluband Hardcore albums for example have sluts with grungy artwork. It gives a different identity to the hardcore Americans are coming to like which has the happier appeal of things.
Im not bothered either way, but its just a a talking point
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2011/11/29 : 14:26:39
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Originally posted by warped_candykid:
deathproof...you're in California and can't find Hardcore? That's where the majority of Happy Hardcore music is located here in the States. They also even do Raver Day at Disneyland once a year for you California candy ravers!
Twice a year! There's a Winter raverday and a Summer one. I'm gonna be flying there for 2012 July Raverday!
Deathproof, in cali the hardcore scene is really pushed underground, a lot of the raves get busted by the police but the scene itself is really lovely, maybe I would say that because I know a lot of ravers and DJs there personally as friends.
This friday in downtown LA is Symphony of Smiles ran by DJ En3rgy, it's $10 all night and will probably include a lot of hardcore as it's En3rgy's event. Email [email protected] for an invite and event info.
If you wanna get hooked up in the scene you could check out plurlife but most hardcore events aren't posted on there as they try and avoid the mainstream attention from the electro/dubstep kids, I'd say your best bet is going to raverday and hanging out with some people or at least asking them about events, just look for the kandy...kandy kids will always be happy to talk to you, often a lot of fliers and mix CDs get given out at Raverday too.
Also look up the DJs I mentioned, like their pages on facebook and stuff and they'll update when and where they're playing. As mentioned most of the nights are illegal so they aren't public and stuff.
If you prefer freeform or newer UK hardcore then definitely check out Seattle. The SeattleHardcore guys are really awesome and are building a really nice scene for themselves with loads of talented DJs and original music of their own, they have quite a few headliners play there. Jimni Cricket posts on here occassionally, she might be able to help you also it's worth talking to Ian K and DJ Dummy (also called Ian) they'll hit you up with event info and stuff, it might be a bit of a journey up to Seattle but if Freeform is your bag then it'll be worth your while, Cali is cheese central so expect to hear a lot of 96 happy hardcore at parties there.
There's also always afterparties for Raverday so if you go to the winter Raverday you might be able to find something going on that weekend, next Summer I think there's going to be another $5 make ya holla and another Hot n Cheezy which are both awesome events with a really friendly vibe, also S3RL will be playing in May-July I think, he did tell me the month but I've forgotten now.
And back to Archefluxx:
Personally I would have said the smiley face kandy stuff is more drug influenced but I think both scenes are representative of different drugs: All the songs about love and ecstasy back in the 90s plus the smiley face logo from the acid house days are all about Ecstasy. Hardcore itself evolved out of acid house because producers wanted to make electronic music that was representative of the increasing heartrate in the rave scene. Acid house was all about the summer of love and liberation, whereas hardcore was more for the ravers who were about rushing and buzzing so the music got faster as a result to keep up, so keep in mind that hardcore was originally driven by drugs. People might not like to hear that but it is true and it's something we shouldn't hide away from or treat as though it's shameful, because it isn't.
Hardcore nowadays has a harder edge, a lot of tracks like 'get ****ed' and various other ones just seem to be about getting totally mashed on alcohol or ketamine, or people knocking back shitty pills and just getting so mashed they can't talk, I'd say the change in drugs is largely responsible for how hardcore has changed over the years, very few people are doing 1 or 2 pills and getting a happy vibe, instead it's all about the downers like alcohol and ketamine.
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deathproof627
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Posted - 2011/12/03 : 00:56:01
right on dude, thanks for the info some good stuff. Looked up some of vids of the Rave day and i just kinda looks a bunch of kandi kids dancing around to music played through speakers.
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warped_candykid
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Posted - 2011/12/03 : 01:54:49
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right on dude, thanks for the info some good stuff. Looked up some of vids of the Rave day and i just kinda looks a bunch of kandi kids dancing around to music played through speakers.
Well, no, they have never actually held a rave at Disneyland, it's more of just showing ourselves off to the public for 1 day and for candy kids from all over California to meet, and since the late 90s-early 2000s' candy kids dressed like Disney characters and other 80s cartoons, it was just natural to gather there once a year (now it is twice a year). All the candy kids gather and trade candy with each and ride the rides all day, then go to a rave that night.
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cruelcore1
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Posted - 2011/12/03 : 01:58:58
Well if u didnt know what House was, what would u think of the genre? I personally wouldn't be able to imagine it.
One day when Hardcore takes a high place in the "Techno scene", it won't be much of a dark term. And most of the people will call it Techno anyway.
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2011/12/03 : 02:03:26
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Originally posted by warped_candykid:
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Originally posted by deathproof627:
right on dude, thanks for the info some good stuff. Looked up some of vids of the Rave day and i just kinda looks a bunch of kandi kids dancing around to music played through speakers.
Well, no, they have never actually held a rave at Disneyland, it's more of just showing ourselves off to the public for 1 day and for candy kids from all over California to meet, and since the late 90s-early 2000s' candy kids dressed like Disney characters and other 80s cartoons, it was just natural to gather there once a year (now it is twice a year). All the candy kids gather and trade candy with each and ride the rides all day, then go to a rave that night.
This, RaverDay is a more social event, I don't even think there's an official Raverday rave, it's just whatever is going at the time. Raverday is a good place to get info on where to go though.
Tonight it's Symphony of Smiles, $10 all night and money goes to charity so it's all smiles and mainly happy hardcore I think. Kandy kids are the best people to talk to, even if you don't like them, they'll point you towards the good raves and always know where the best parties are.
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