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 Posted - 2011/12/02 : 00:31:12
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Originally posted by djDMS:
Anybody who thinks drugs are lovely and safe should meet some of the lads i was raving with in the early days.
I don't think anyone would say they're lovely and safe but I'd say they're a lot safer than alcohol.
At the end of the day, if you abuse anything you're going to do yourself over.
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Posted - 2011/12/02 : 00:36:43
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by djDMS:
Anybody who thinks drugs are lovely and safe should meet some of the lads i was raving with in the early days.
I don't think anyone would say they're lovely and safe but I'd say they're a lot safer than alcohol.
a mate of mine took a bad pill & is on tablets for life, you dont get that from a bad pint....
And what was in the pill? Sounds like he had existing health problems to start something like that, which is just as likely to happen with alcohol. Also alcohol is regulated, drugs aren't, your friend wasn't a victim of MDMA he was a victim of whatever shit his pill was cut with. Also as I mentioned, test kits exist. There's nothing to stop someone spiking your pint with who knows what, but would you blame that on the alcohol or the person who spiked it?
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Posted - 2011/12/02 : 00:36:50
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Originally posted by Warnman:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
I'm so tired of seeing it kick off constantly between drunk people.
People react to alcohol differently! It depends on the character and mood, what happens. I almost have never been aggressive, when being drunk and I can say that to a bunch of other persons as well.
I don't know if this can be copied to other drugs, but I have met people on coke, who react differently, too. Most of them turned to *******s (but today I think, they've been ones all the time). Others remained calm and you still were able to talk with them in a normal way.
www.erowid.org
www.pillreports.com
www.bluelight.ru
www.tripproject.ca
I've used sites like these since Mephedrone came about (it was all speculation, nobody knew what was going on and I wanted as much info as possible before experimenting with it) and I'd recommend avoiding bluelight. Alot of bias on there and I've found it to be unreliable in the past.
I went to HTID The Big One a few weekends ago for my first rave and it wasn't actually as bad as people make out, no kick offs, everyone was quite friendly it's just the quality of the night in general wasn't too good (be it from crap quality drugs, or the fact that the speakers were all bass no riff, idk)
And DMS, not sure who that was aimed at but just in case it was at me I wasn't saying drugs are all good and lovely, bad things happen and I know that. I was simply saying there would be 90%+ less problems if the chemicals ravers take were made professionally and regulated in terms of the shit people put in them. Bad trips would still happen, but that's a risk people should know if they are considering experimenting with drugs. Alcohol has side effects (not instant death in extreme cases but still)
Also, lots of crimes based around drugs (rival drug dealers, stealing, murder etc etc)... I wonder how much of that would disappear should drugs be government regulated?
@Shades, no you don't get that from a bad pint. But after several bad pints after a bad day people get glassed, stabbed etc etc... I see alcohol as no better than any illegal drug alone.
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Posted - 2011/12/02 : 00:38:27
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Originally posted by Karthy:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by Warnman:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
I'm so tired of seeing it kick off constantly between drunk people.
People react to alcohol differently! It depends on the character and mood, what happens. I almost have never been aggressive, when being drunk and I can say that to a bunch of other persons as well.
I don't know if this can be copied to other drugs, but I have met people on coke, who react differently, too. Most of them turned to *******s (but today I think, they've been ones all the time). Others remained calm and you still were able to talk with them in a normal way.
www.erowid.org
www.pillreports.com
www.bluelight.ru
www.tripproject.ca
I've used sites like these since Mephedrone came about (it was all speculation, nobody knew what was going on and I wanted as much info as possible before experimenting with it) and I'd recommend avoiding bluelight. Alot of bias on there and I've found it to be unreliable in the past.
I went to HTID The Big One a few weekends ago for my first rave and it wasn't actually as bad as people make out, no kick offs, everyone was quite friendly it's just the quality of the night in general wasn't too good (be it from crap quality drugs, or the fact that the speakers were all bass no riff, idk)
And DMS, not sure who that was aimed at but just in case it was at me I wasn't saying drugs are all good and lovely, bad things happen and I know that. I was simply saying there would be 90%+ less problems if the chemicals ravers take were made professionally and regulated in terms of the shit people put in them. Bad trips would still happen, but that's a risk people should know if they are considering experimenting with drugs. Alcohol has side effects (not instant death in extreme cases but still)
Also, lots of crimes based around drugs (rival drug dealers, stealing, murder etc etc)... I wonder how much of that would disappear should drugs be government regulated?
@Shades, no you don't get that from a bad pint. But after several bad pints after a bad day people get glassed, stabbed etc etc... I see alcohol as no better than any illegal drug alone.
The bluelight forums are no good but the info threads have lots of scientifically backed up info. And yeah I did meph once, horrible stuff.
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Posted - 2011/12/02 : 00:40:01
Not for everyone I guess eh? :P
Tried it alot of times, best thing I've ever done on 90% of occasions.
But BL's good for scientific facts but the "facts" that people came out with were usually far from reality, lol..
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Posted - 2011/12/02 : 00:42:18
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Originally posted by Shades:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by djDMS:
Anybody who thinks drugs are lovely and safe should meet some of the lads i was raving with in the early days.
I don't think anyone would say they're lovely and safe but I'd say they're a lot safer than alcohol.
a mate of mine took a bad pill & is on tablets for life, you dont get that from a bad pint....
This is a ridiculous statement, if pints were unregulated and sold illegally they would screw you over occasionally as well.
You're essentially saying your argument is for proper regulation and education of mind altering chemicals to prevent contaminations. You can read almost every scientific paper on MDMA and at no point will you find any evidence that it may lead to the subject having serious bad health (as you suggest). It's the things that people cut into drugs that may be harmful.
Even then, if you were a apple producer and you had the option to fertilise the apples with either a chemical which caused serious mental health problems or an inate chemical with no repercussions which would you chose?
These people don't live in dungeons under volcanoes, they don't have plans of poisoning the masses, they are people who want to make money. Would you knowingly sell someone a product which is dangerous when it's just as easy to produce it safely and retain your custom next time (because they wont buy off you again if it kills people, because nobody will buy it)?
TL;DR Ridiculous, do some research
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Posted - 2011/12/02 : 00:58:54
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Originally posted by tru bass:
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Originally posted by Shades:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by djDMS:
Anybody who thinks drugs are lovely and safe should meet some of the lads i was raving with in the early days.
I don't think anyone would say they're lovely and safe but I'd say they're a lot safer than alcohol.
a mate of mine took a bad pill & is on tablets for life, you dont get that from a bad pint....
Would you knowingly sell someone a product which is dangerous when it's just as easy to produce it safely and retain your custom next time (because they wont buy off you again if it kills people, because nobody will buy it)?
You'd be surprised... Honestly. You have no idea what dealers will cut powders with just to make it weigh that little bit more, more so when they're short on supply, they get desperate and need that cash. Glass in weed is a common example, it's there on purpose to make the bag weigh more for the amount of weed in there, and hot glass in your lungs can seriously **** stuff up.
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Posted - 2011/12/02 : 01:08:03
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Originally posted by tru bass:
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Originally posted by Shades:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by djDMS:
Anybody who thinks drugs are lovely and safe should meet some of the lads i was raving with in the early days.
I don't think anyone would say they're lovely and safe but I'd say they're a lot safer than alcohol.
a mate of mine took a bad pill & is on tablets for life, you dont get that from a bad pint....
This is a ridiculous statement, if pints were unregulated and sold illegally they would screw you over occasionally as well.
You're essentially saying your argument is for proper regulation and education of mind altering chemicals to prevent contaminations. You can read almost every scientific paper on MDMA and at no point will you find any evidence that it may lead to the subject having serious bad health (as you suggest). It's the things that people cut into drugs that may be harmful.
Even then, if you were a apple producer and you had the option to fertilise the apples with either a chemical which caused serious mental health problems or an inate chemical with no repercussions which would you chose?
These people don't live in dungeons under volcanoes, they don't have plans of poisoning the masses, they are people who want to make money. Would you knowingly sell someone a product which is dangerous when it's just as easy to produce it safely and retain your custom next time (because they wont buy off you again if it kills people, because nobody will buy it)?
TL;DR Ridiculous, do some research
I have to say I've never had a bad drug, so many people make out 'you don't know what you're getting' which is true in theory but in practice nobody is out to poison you unless they have a personal beef with YOU personally, most people will actually make pills with binding agents which unless you have a rare allergic reaction to one of them (which you would probably know having taken paracetamol) your body is not even going to notice. Most "bad pill" stories are when pills are cut with legal highs or other amphetamines and your body reacts badly to those instead. Or when the person taking the pill was already drinking, it annoys me when people say that they had a "dodgy pill" and then you find out they were chugging pints the night they had it. What do you expect when you mix a stimulant with a depressant?
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Posted - 2011/12/02 : 01:12:27
Dealers don't cut their pills with anything, the pills are pressed by the chemist, not the dealer. The dealer buys from the chemist. powders can be cut by dealers but tru bass's point still stands in that situation. Weed isn't laced with glass but solid resin sometimes is and really most people don't do that due to how easy it is to get weed.
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Posted - 2011/12/02 : 01:15:43
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Originally posted by Karthy:
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Originally posted by tru bass:
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Originally posted by Shades:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by djDMS:
Anybody who thinks drugs are lovely and safe should meet some of the lads i was raving with in the early days.
I don't think anyone would say they're lovely and safe but I'd say they're a lot safer than alcohol.
a mate of mine took a bad pill & is on tablets for life, you dont get that from a bad pint....
Would you knowingly sell someone a product which is dangerous when it's just as easy to produce it safely and retain your custom next time (because they wont buy off you again if it kills people, because nobody will buy it)?
You'd be surprised... Honestly. You have no idea what dealers will cut powders with just to make it weigh that little bit more, more so when they're short on supply, they get desperate and need that cash. Glass in weed is a common example, it's there on purpose to make the bag weigh more for the amount of weed in there, and hot glass in your lungs can seriously **** stuff up.
Where is there evidence suggesting this occurs?
You've ignored the statement you replyed to as well, why contaminate with something harmful when it's just as easy to contaminate with something fine.
Plus I highly doubt a lighter (which is as hot as weed gets when you smoke it) would be hot enough to vapourise glass (which you would need to do to inhale it).
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Posted - 2011/12/02 : 01:17:59
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Originally posted by Karthy:
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Originally posted by tru bass:
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Originally posted by Shades:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by djDMS:
Anybody who thinks drugs are lovely and safe should meet some of the lads i was raving with in the early days.
I don't think anyone would say they're lovely and safe but I'd say they're a lot safer than alcohol.
a mate of mine took a bad pill & is on tablets for life, you dont get that from a bad pint....
Would you knowingly sell someone a product which is dangerous when it's just as easy to produce it safely and retain your custom next time (because they wont buy off you again if it kills people, because nobody will buy it)?
You'd be surprised... Honestly. You have no idea what dealers will cut powders with just to make it weigh that little bit more, more so when they're short on supply, they get desperate and need that cash. Glass in weed is a common example, it's there on purpose to make the bag weigh more for the amount of weed in there, and hot glass in your lungs can seriously **** stuff up.
Where is there evidence suggesting this occurs?
You've ignored the statement you replyed to as well, why contaminate with something harmful when it's just as easy to contaminate with something fine.
Plus I highly doubt a lighter (which is as hot as weed gets when you smoke it) would be hot enough to vapourise glass (which you would need to do to inhale it).
In all my time smoking weed from a glass pipe with a lighter, no it does not vapourise glass, I've used a jet lighter as well for salvia and it hasn't
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 Posted - 2011/12/02 : 01:20:00
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Being 18, I was only 4 when this was shot, I never got to experience those great raves, and I wish I did, I'm also thankful for this vid... I would've LOVED to have been there.
As for the whole drugs concern throughout, I honestly feel that if drug bans were lifted and they were more controlled (in a sense that you must know the potential bad sides of taking drugs) then drugs would be almost perfectly safe and there wouldn't even be a need for a drugs ban. It's risky buying and taking drugs nowadays because they're unprofessionally made and cut with god knows what, you're taking 10% of the drug you want to be taking and 90% worthless shit that could be extremely harmful to you. I couldn't help but think of those pills they were counting and how much I would love to try just one...
As for the chavs nowadays, you can't get rid of them, but I'm pretty sure if they were on drugs they wouldn't be as much arseholes as they are. Even if they are on drugs, they can still be arseholes because they're not on what they should be :P
As for the electro shit we hear, get it gone! Doesn't put you in any sort of a good mood or make you happy, which is what raves are all about tbh! I don't think the point of a rave is to 'stomp', you go to rave, and to reach that happiness you normally can't. Which evidently is what it was all about in the 90's (as I thought).
Build me a time machine, I want to go back, or someone build a fake country that has all things good and no bollocks laws :')
your on the same level as me. I was 10 in 1997 yet just 4 in 1992 so I missed out on the good years as well.
Happy Hardcore was big because it was 'fun' and made people feel happy hence the name. That idea came about in the early 90s in contrast to the harder European Techno & darker Jungle. Happy Hardcore was about the fun 'hands in air' feel that started the rave scene. Gabber was a contrast, much more for those who could handle it and as much as I love my Gabber and the hard kicks and hard rifts (at least the older stuff pre 97) I would feel much more 'relaxed' at a rave to Happy Hardcore than harder Gabber which is why it amazes me how Gabber remains so huge in The Netherlands and else where, they are some real hard ravers lol
The now not so modern Trancy Raverbaby stuff owes its origins to the 90s Happy Hardcore, its uplifting although more watered down removing the hard kicks and less empises on the 'fairground' feel with tunes like Whistle and the similar Toytown but it is kept happy. The Electro stuff that is breaking through is based on that sound as well but with the more 'funky' feel that Electro has and keeps things nice and smooth. Of course some people love the 90s stuff, even those who where too young to enjoy it such as ourselves and hate the modern stuff.
Then there are those who love the Trancy stuff but will hate the Electro stuff and in a few years time there will be loads of people wishing it was the 2000s again lol
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Posted - 2011/12/02 : 01:28:11
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Originally posted by Karthy:
Being 18, I was only 4 when this was shot, I never got to experience those great raves, and I wish I did, I'm also thankful for this vid... I would've LOVED to have been there.
As for the whole drugs concern throughout, I honestly feel that if drug bans were lifted and they were more controlled (in a sense that you must know the potential bad sides of taking drugs) then drugs would be almost perfectly safe and there wouldn't even be a need for a drugs ban. It's risky buying and taking drugs nowadays because they're unprofessionally made and cut with god knows what, you're taking 10% of the drug you want to be taking and 90% worthless shit that could be extremely harmful to you. I couldn't help but think of those pills they were counting and how much I would love to try just one...
As for the chavs nowadays, you can't get rid of them, but I'm pretty sure if they were on drugs they wouldn't be as much arseholes as they are. Even if they are on drugs, they can still be arseholes because they're not on what they should be :P
As for the electro shit we hear, get it gone! Doesn't put you in any sort of a good mood or make you happy, which is what raves are all about tbh! I don't think the point of a rave is to 'stomp', you go to rave, and to reach that happiness you normally can't. Which evidently is what it was all about in the 90's (as I thought).
Build me a time machine, I want to go back, or someone build a fake country that has all things good and no bollocks laws :')
your on the same level as me. I was 10 in 1997 yet just 4 in 1992 so I missed out on the good years as well.
Happy Hardcore was big because it was 'fun' and made people feel happy hence the name. That idea came about in the early 90s in contrast to the harder European Techno & darker Jungle. Happy Hardcore was about the fun 'hands in air' feel that started the rave scene. Gabber was a contrast, much more for those who could handle it and as much as I love my Gabber and the hard kicks and hard rifts (at least the older stuff pre 97) I would feel much more 'relaxed' at a rave to Happy Hardcore than harder Gabber which is why it amazes me how Gabber remains so huge in The Netherlands and else where, they are some real hard ravers lol
The now not so modern Trancy Raverbaby stuff owes its origins to the 90s Happy Hardcore, its uplifting although more watered down removing the hard kicks and less empises on the 'fairground' feel with tunes like Whistle and the similar Toytown but it is kept happy. The Electro stuff that is breaking through is based on that sound as well but with the more 'funky' feel that Electro has and keeps things nice and smooth. Of course some people love the 90s stuff, even those who where too young to enjoy it such as ourselves and hate the modern stuff.
Then there are those who love the Trancy stuff but will hate the Electro stuff and in a few years time there will be loads of people wishing it was the 2000s again lol
Yeah, I like the trancy stuff somewhat but I will always be a 1996-2001 happy hardcore guy. I'm 20 now so I was 6 back in 1997. People disregard my love for 97 hardcore and treat me like I'm jaded, I experienced both old and new at the same time and liked the old stuff much much more. There's some new stuff that I like but 90% of the upfront hardcore I like is just the happy hardcore sound modernised. I've always prefered vocal led to riff led happy hardcore but they both have their place. Electro and minimal hardcore just has no emotion; just a lot of noises which I just think is lame compared to the older stuff which was emotional and always stayed in your head, electro is just instantly forgettable for me.
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Posted - 2011/12/02 : 01:34:22
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Originally posted by tru bass:
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Originally posted by Karthy:
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Originally posted by tru bass:
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Originally posted by Shades:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by djDMS:
Anybody who thinks drugs are lovely and safe should meet some of the lads i was raving with in the early days.
I don't think anyone would say they're lovely and safe but I'd say they're a lot safer than alcohol.
a mate of mine took a bad pill & is on tablets for life, you dont get that from a bad pint....
Would you knowingly sell someone a product which is dangerous when it's just as easy to produce it safely and retain your custom next time (because they wont buy off you again if it kills people, because nobody will buy it)?
You'd be surprised... Honestly. You have no idea what dealers will cut powders with just to make it weigh that little bit more, more so when they're short on supply, they get desperate and need that cash. Glass in weed is a common example, it's there on purpose to make the bag weigh more for the amount of weed in there, and hot glass in your lungs can seriously **** stuff up.
Where is there evidence suggesting this occurs?
You've ignored the statement you replyed to as well, why contaminate with something harmful when it's just as easy to contaminate with something fine.
Plus I highly doubt a lighter (which is as hot as weed gets when you smoke it) would be hot enough to vapourise glass (which you would need to do to inhale it).
In all my time smoking weed from a glass pipe with a lighter, no it does not vapourise glass, I've used a jet lighter as well for salvia and it hasn't
Not normal glass but fiber glass (small shards) not sure if it's common elsewhere but I'm pretty sure round here it's not rare for weed to have fiber glass in it. I don't smoke weed so I'm not sure, I'm just saying what I've heard.
But generally, if somethings heavier and more harmful than something lighter it'll make the bag heavier for the amount you'd need to put in even if it is more dangerous.
@Smoogie Honestly I don't mind the trancy hardcore. I'd love for current djs to even play the early 2000s stuff, the stuff on earlier Clubland X-tremes and later bonkers compilations.
Tell you one other thing I'd love to have gone to... An illegal warehouse rave, the sound of it sounds so ****ing good!!! I don't mind the idea of going to the warmth of a multimillion pound venue but I really would like to go to an illegal warehouse rave. :P
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Posted - 2011/12/02 : 01:46:21
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Originally posted by tru bass:
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Originally posted by Karthy:
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Originally posted by tru bass:
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Originally posted by Shades:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by djDMS:
Anybody who thinks drugs are lovely and safe should meet some of the lads i was raving with in the early days.
I don't think anyone would say they're lovely and safe but I'd say they're a lot safer than alcohol.
a mate of mine took a bad pill & is on tablets for life, you dont get that from a bad pint....
Would you knowingly sell someone a product which is dangerous when it's just as easy to produce it safely and retain your custom next time (because they wont buy off you again if it kills people, because nobody will buy it)?
You'd be surprised... Honestly. You have no idea what dealers will cut powders with just to make it weigh that little bit more, more so when they're short on supply, they get desperate and need that cash. Glass in weed is a common example, it's there on purpose to make the bag weigh more for the amount of weed in there, and hot glass in your lungs can seriously **** stuff up.
Where is there evidence suggesting this occurs?
You've ignored the statement you replyed to as well, why contaminate with something harmful when it's just as easy to contaminate with something fine.
Plus I highly doubt a lighter (which is as hot as weed gets when you smoke it) would be hot enough to vapourise glass (which you would need to do to inhale it).
In all my time smoking weed from a glass pipe with a lighter, no it does not vapourise glass, I've used a jet lighter as well for salvia and it hasn't
Not normal glass but fiber glass (small shards) not sure if it's common elsewhere but I'm pretty sure round here it's not rare for weed to have fiber glass in it. I don't smoke weed so I'm not sure, I'm just saying what I've heard.
But generally, if somethings heavier and more harmful than something lighter it'll make the bag heavier for the amount you'd need to put in even if it is more dangerous.
@Smoogie Honestly I don't mind the trancy hardcore. I'd love for current djs to even play the early 2000s stuff, the stuff on earlier Clubland X-tremes and later bonkers compilations.
Tell you one other thing I'd love to have gone to... An illegal warehouse rave, the sound of it sounds so ****ing good!!! I don't mind the idea of going to the warmth of a multimillion pound venue but I really would like to go to an illegal warehouse rave. :P
It's probably cheaper and easier to grow weed as opposed to mess around trying to put glass fibres in it which would just fall through the weed anyway as they wouldn't stick to the leaves, but that would be a grower anyway who doesn't have to worry about lack of supply as growing weed is pretty easy to do. It's a weed after all, it'll grow in compost heaps without you having a clue.
And yeah, earlier clubland stuff I liked! It had a happy hardcore feel to it, it was uplifting and moving and put a smile on your face, as time went on it got a bit dramatic and then just moved into electro/dubstep/etc.
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