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NekoShuffle
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 Posted - 2011/12/09 : 00:05:48
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As much as i enjoy Hardstyle it won't replace anything, anywhere, ever!
Hardstyle has changed a lot, I remember when it used to be really crunchy and stompy, now it's riffs everywhere and a lot of dance-y kinda vocals instead of the PITCHED DOWN MALE VOICE that I remember.
EDIT: Maybe this is also obvious but it always surprises me how much genres get watered down to fit what's popular. Thankfully Above and Beyond are starting to find their own sound and make something good with it but back in the early 2000s they sounded totally different and had a lot more energy in their music. Also psytrance has gone really progressive, the psytrance top 10 on beatport is an absolute joke and rarely does the BPM exceed 130 (which is crazy by psy standards). House (not electro house) has even been watered down which I think is the most surprising as the standard 4/4 house beat has been the basis of pop music for years, why they slowed that down too is completely beyond me. I love house but it's always been ultra radio friendly.
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Posted - 2011/12/10 : 03:20:09
Hardstyle is ok, but too farkin slow for my liking. If it was Hardcore speed it would be ok. Is like a watered down version of Gabber.
I don't think it's a big loss losing Kustki as he did'nt play enough Hardcore for my liking. I'd rather listen to people on the radio that play only hardcore. Not a show with other genres I don't like (Hardstlye and Hard Dance)
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Posted - 2011/12/10 : 03:49:17
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Hardstyle is ok, but too farkin slow for my liking. If it was Hardcore speed it would be ok. Is like a watered down version of Gabber.
I don't think it's a big loss losing Kustki as he did'nt play enough Hardcore for my liking. I'd rather listen to people on the radio that play only hardcore. Not a show with other genres I don't like (Hardstlye and Hard Dance)
No offence but being from Australia it's not your loss like it is ours, it's not just about the contents of Kutski's show but what he represented - trying to push the harder styles into the limelight and get them recognised by the public, even if it is just clubbers in the back of a taxi on the way home. You're never gonna hear a hardcore-only show on UK airwaves. In fact I'm pretty sure the last time hardcore was on the radio here at all before Kutski was Darren Styles' Skydivin' stuff
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Posted - 2011/12/10 : 04:35:00
Don't you guys have community stations playing Hardcore and Hardstlye. We have a few shows playing harder genres. But they are all on community radio. The beauty of community radio is nobody dictates what people play. Maybe they should look at that in the UK.
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Posted - 2011/12/10 : 08:59:07
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Don't you guys have community stations playing Hardcore and Hardstlye. We have a few shows playing harder genres. But they are all on community radio. The beauty of community radio is nobody dictates what people play. Maybe they should look at that in the UK.
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Posted - 2011/12/10 : 15:14:25
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Don't you guys have community stations playing Hardcore and Hardstlye. We have a few shows playing harder genres. But they are all on community radio. The beauty of community radio is nobody dictates what people play. Maybe they should look at that in the UK.
No, besides a select few ravers and DJs nobody even knows what Hardstyle is here, same with Hardcore.
Hardcore's main demographic = chavs. Chavs are the equivilent to your Bogans in Australia and the equivilent of white trash in America. The rest of the people who like hardcore are ravers who have been following happy hardcore since the earlier days, and the select few of us who have gotten into the music in our own different ways and go to forums to talk about it. I go to raves because I love raving, but I'm very picky where I rave because if the location has too many chavs then you literally put your personal safety at risk by going there because they will start fights with anyone who isn't the same as them and even amongst themselves. That's why a lot of people on forums don't go raving.
Thankfully, Chav culture is beginning to die as different cultures and classes have bled into one another in the UK over the past few years and are phasing them out, but that's also the reason Hardcore has plummeted in popularity; nobody wants to go out to a rave they can't feel safe in and the music isn't good enough to convince them to take a chance. A handful of producers are quick to disregard the views of hardcore fans on the internet but they forget that when Chav culture is completely gone WE are the future of the genre and a large contributing factor as to the success of HU, Rebuild, Raw Elements, CLSM, Kniteforce etc. is because they keep in touch with the internet fans and are always getting involved in the community and listening to what the fans want instead of disregarding them as 'haters'.
So no basically, Hardcore won't even reach community radio because nobody wants to listen to 'Chav music'. Hard Dance is a bit more respectable as a genre in the electronic music community but most of the public just hear repetitive beats and lump it all under the same umbrella of 'chavvy rave music'. If we ever want to hear Hardcore on the radio that isn't just a one hit wonder then we need to completely rebuild the genre from the ground up and shake off all the negative connotations by making good, original, unique music.
If you're looking for a place that plays hard dance music in public then go to Belgium/Amsterdam, my friend went on a road trip across them for Masters of Hardcore and apparently heard Hardstyle played in a shopping mall.
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Posted - 2011/12/10 : 15:27:16
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by LoveThaCore:
Don't you guys have community stations playing Hardcore and Hardstlye. We have a few shows playing harder genres. But they are all on community radio. The beauty of community radio is nobody dictates what people play. Maybe they should look at that in the UK.
No, besides a select few ravers and DJs nobody even knows what Hardstyle is here, same with Hardcore.
Hardcore's main demographic = chavs. Chavs are the equivilent to your Bogans in Australia and the equivilent of white trash in America. The rest of the people who like hardcore are ravers who have been following happy hardcore since the earlier days, and the select few of us who have gotten into the music in our own different ways and go to forums to talk about it. I go to raves because I love raving, but I'm very picky where I rave because if the location has too many chavs then you literally put your personal safety at risk by going there because they will start fights with anyone who isn't the same as them and even amongst themselves. That's why a lot of people on forums don't go raving.
Thankfully, Chav culture is beginning to die as different cultures and classes have bled into one another in the UK over the past few years and are phasing them out, but that's also the reason Hardcore has plummeted in popularity; nobody wants to go out to a rave they can't feel safe in and the music isn't good enough to convince them to take a chance. A handful of producers are quick to disregard the views of hardcore fans on the internet but they forget that when Chav culture is completely gone WE are the future of the genre and a large contributing factor as to the success of HU, Rebuild, Raw Elements, CLSM, Kniteforce etc. is because they keep in touch with the internet fans and are always getting involved in the community and listening to what the fans want instead of disregarding them as 'haters'.
So no basically, Hardcore won't even reach community radio because nobody wants to listen to 'Chav music'. Hard Dance is a bit more respectable as a genre in the electronic music community but most of the public just hear repetitive beats and lump it all under the same umbrella of 'chavvy rave music'. If we ever want to hear Hardcore on the radio that isn't just a one hit wonder then we need to completely rebuild the genre from the ground up and shake off all the negative connotations by making good, original, unique music.
If you're looking for a place that plays hard dance music in public then go to Belgium/Amsterdam, my friend went on a road trip across them for Masters of Hardcore and apparently heard Hardstyle played in a shopping mall.
in Belgium it would of been Jumpstyle... (see kutskis guest mix on radio 1 from last night for jump) which is kinda similar to hardstyle... but more jumpy/bouncy and not as hard as hardstyle... the two can be confused easily tho..
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Posted - 2011/12/10 : 15:39:51
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by LoveThaCore:
Don't you guys have community stations playing Hardcore and Hardstlye. We have a few shows playing harder genres. But they are all on community radio. The beauty of community radio is nobody dictates what people play. Maybe they should look at that in the UK.
No, besides a select few ravers and DJs nobody even knows what Hardstyle is here, same with Hardcore.
Hardcore's main demographic = chavs. Chavs are the equivilent to your Bogans in Australia and the equivilent of white trash in America. The rest of the people who like hardcore are ravers who have been following happy hardcore since the earlier days, and the select few of us who have gotten into the music in our own different ways and go to forums to talk about it. I go to raves because I love raving, but I'm very picky where I rave because if the location has too many chavs then you literally put your personal safety at risk by going there because they will start fights with anyone who isn't the same as them and even amongst themselves. That's why a lot of people on forums don't go raving.
Thankfully, Chav culture is beginning to die as different cultures and classes have bled into one another in the UK over the past few years and are phasing them out, but that's also the reason Hardcore has plummeted in popularity; nobody wants to go out to a rave they can't feel safe in and the music isn't good enough to convince them to take a chance. A handful of producers are quick to disregard the views of hardcore fans on the internet but they forget that when Chav culture is completely gone WE are the future of the genre and a large contributing factor as to the success of HU, Rebuild, Raw Elements, CLSM, Kniteforce etc. is because they keep in touch with the internet fans and are always getting involved in the community and listening to what the fans want instead of disregarding them as 'haters'.
So no basically, Hardcore won't even reach community radio because nobody wants to listen to 'Chav music'. Hard Dance is a bit more respectable as a genre in the electronic music community but most of the public just hear repetitive beats and lump it all under the same umbrella of 'chavvy rave music'. If we ever want to hear Hardcore on the radio that isn't just a one hit wonder then we need to completely rebuild the genre from the ground up and shake off all the negative connotations by making good, original, unique music.
If you're looking for a place that plays hard dance music in public then go to Belgium/Amsterdam, my friend went on a road trip across them for Masters of Hardcore and apparently heard Hardstyle played in a shopping mall.
in Belgium it would of been Jumpstyle... (see kutskis guest mix on radio 1 from last night for jump) which is kinda similar to hardstyle... but more jumpy/bouncy and not as hard as hardstyle... the two can be confused easily tho..
Yeah, you're probably right on that, I don't really know the difference between the two genres and I don't know if my mate is either but I'm just saying what he said. I'd find it a bit weird to be buying a wheel of cheese or some Belgium truffles to Scantraxx Roots or something lol
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Posted - 2011/12/10 : 23:51:39
Well said neko. I'd like to think that hardcore could survive without chavs but we've all got a little bit of chav in us haven't we? haha
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Posted - 2011/12/11 : 01:14:30
We don't quite get bogans at raves:) They are more into the hard rock scene and V8 super cars events lol.
We have LADS which are like the Aussie version of UK CHAVS. They all live in housing estates. They always wear Nautica and striped polos with sports shorts and trainers without socks and a baseball caps. They are'nt all bad though, they seem more into Gabber than Hardcore though. Is funny Gabber is actually the main hard music sound in Australia and probably has the second biggest Gabber scene after the Netherlands. Defquon events attracted 40,000 and is nearly all Gabber.
Part of the reason for this is community radio, there is a show that runs over in Sydney called Hardcore Overload on 89.3 on Friday nights and has really helped promote the sound even more. Sounds like they need something like this in the UK.
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Posted - 2011/12/11 : 04:18:50
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Well said neko. I'd like to think that hardcore could survive without chavs but we've all got a little bit of chav in us haven't we? haha
Yeah lol I live in a shitty council estate always have done lol, I've watched the days of rankin coming out of phones on the back of my local bus, then darren styles...then dubstep...now everyone seems to be dressing a bit less 'trackie' and fitting in with the rest of society a bit more. I love going to raves, I love getting messy, I loved the car stereo dnb vs hardcore war my neighbours would have with the people across the road and I loved watching it kick off from time to time haha. Not quite chavs not quite internet people...caught in the middle :P
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Posted - 2011/12/11 : 04:31:40
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We don't quite get bogans at raves:) They are more into the hard rock scene and V8 super cars events lol.
We have LADS which are like the Aussie version of UK CHAVS. They all live in housing estates. They always wear Nautica and striped polos with sports shorts and trainers without socks and a baseball caps. They are'nt all bad though, they seem more into Gabber than Hardcore though. Is funny Gabber is actually the main hard music sound in Australia and probably has the second biggest Gabber scene after the Netherlands. Defquon events attracted 40,000 and is nearly all Gabber.
Part of the reason for this is community radio, there is a show that runs over in Sydney called Hardcore Overload on 89.3 on Friday nights and has really helped promote the sound even more. Sounds like they need something like this in the UK.
That'd never fly in the UK, everything here is all about the big companies now, big chainstores and retailers selling out the small shops, Radio is no different; BBC and Sky Company pretty much dominate the airwaves...just like the TV too. London has some pirate radios that play hardcore but no upfront, strictly oldskool breakbeat business and you have to be in London to actually lock in and most people use their internet players anyway.
Not to mention who would tune in? It's not a case of promoting the sound, the fact is the sound is stale and nobody gives a shit about it. You could ram it in people's faces if you want, people don't wanna hear hardcore because it has nothing new and/or unique to offer them at the moment. Too many Electro, Minimal, Dubstep influences - people will just go to each of their respective genres if they want that. As I've said before, we can experiment with sound all we want but in the end it isn't going to help hardcore if we let it take over the genre, if people want a dirty drop they will listen to dubstep which does it much better, same with electro and the hard minimal stuff. If we really want to take influences from those genres then we have to tone down how much we borrow and work out if it really makes the tunes any better for it or not. There was a reason hardcore was much more popular in the 90s, it's as simple as that.
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Posted - 2011/12/11 : 07:58:31
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Originally posted by LoveThaCore:
We don't quite get bogans at raves:) They are more into the hard rock scene and V8 super cars events lol.
We have LADS which are like the Aussie version of UK CHAVS. They all live in housing estates. They always wear Nautica and striped polos with sports shorts and trainers without socks and a baseball caps. They are'nt all bad though, they seem more into Gabber than Hardcore though. Is funny Gabber is actually the main hard music sound in Australia and probably has the second biggest Gabber scene after the Netherlands. Defquon events attracted 40,000 and is nearly all Gabber.
Part of the reason for this is community radio, there is a show that runs over in Sydney called Hardcore Overload on 89.3 on Friday nights and has really helped promote the sound even more. Sounds like they need something like this in the UK.
That'd never fly in the UK, everything here is all about the big companies now, big chainstores and retailers selling out the small shops, Radio is no different; BBC and Sky Company pretty much dominate the airwaves...just like the TV too. London has some pirate radios that play hardcore but no upfront, strictly oldskool breakbeat business and you have to be in London to actually lock in and most people use their internet players anyway.
Not to mention who would tune in? It's not a case of promoting the sound, the fact is the sound is stale and nobody gives a shit about it. You could ram it in people's faces if you want, people don't wanna hear hardcore because it has nothing new and/or unique to offer them at the moment. Too many Electro, Minimal, Dubstep influences - people will just go to each of their respective genres if they want that. As I've said before, we can experiment with sound all we want but in the end it isn't going to help hardcore if we let it take over the genre, if people want a dirty drop they will listen to dubstep which does it much better, same with electro and the hard minimal stuff. If we really want to take influences from those genres then we have to tone down how much we borrow and work out if it really makes the tunes any better for it or not. There was a reason hardcore was much more popular in the 90s, it's as simple as that.
reading your posts in this thread id say you've got it sawn up... just a shame this big players in hardcore don't think this way..
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