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DJ-Hutchy
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 Posted - 2012/01/08 : 11:41:50
Worth a read imo
Ok, My wall isnt the place to come and moan about other Djs/producers in this scene There are plenty of other web sites or walls that will accept it but I dont want it on my wall anymore. Its a Rave scene that is as diverse now as when I fell in love with it long, long, ago. Back then there were styles and tunes that I also hated but I just went out of my way to find and hunt out the tracks / producers / Djs I prefered. If you don't like a certain type then don't listen, there are still plenty of Dj's / producers catering across all the different styles in the rave scene. There is always a mix up of styles played at most raves from trancey, techno, harder, happy, vocal, bouncy, freeform, breaks, old skool, and so on. I don't love every style I mentioned but I don't write off that whole style because of it and spend my time moaning about it for all to see. I big up the music I love, music Im not into wont suddenly change and disappear because I get on one about it. One of my heros Carl Cox changed his music style totally around 1993 and it done my brain in at the time, do you think me going on & on about it would of made him change what HIS personal preference and taste in music was changing in to? nope, He had to do what he wanted to do and follow the path he thought was right for him. As gutted as I was there were still loads of other Djs/producers that were still doing what I loved and Carl Cox just became a great Dj from my past love and of that era to me. Its always good to have a good old debate / discussion, especially when you think its effecting/changing something you love or like the way it is but on the whole dub-bassline-wobble-grunge-electro-core (!!??) I personally think people are moaning without realising there are still plenty of producers/djs playing and producing the other styles of hardcore as well.
I don't get why everyone ones calling it 'dub step' influenced? some of the tracks that people call this are so un-influenced its scary but take a track like 'screwface' by Darren Styles which does have Dub-step influenced parts and drum patterns and yet it has been one of the biggest instrumental tunes of the year and Ive yet to hear that be classed as dub-step hardcore?. Hardcore has always had break downs and sections of tracks influenced from other scenes but you dont hear it called drum & bass or gabba influenced hardcore ?
I understand that some people don't like the direction some of the producers / Dj's are going but there are also a lot of people who really do as well. Change isnt always a good thing but I think in this situation it is because not every producer and djs have all changed overnight and all this new style of rave music can do is keep people interested who maybe getting bored with the sound and maybe introduce new people into our scene. Sharkey made a tune with the Can Can in it back in 1995 probably as happy & Cheesey as you could get but he personally felt he didnt want to carry on in the happyhardcore direction and because of that he pushed out in his own direction and along with others who did and felt the same trancecore and then freeform was born so a change in direction for some can bring good things.
Bottom line If you dont like, vote with your feet and dont go to the event or get off the dance floor and walk off because if any Dj was emptying dance floors they wouldnt get booked. Im not saying all the djs / promoters have got it right and the people moaning are wrong and you dont have the right to express your opinion about this but at the moment Im certainly not seeing the djs involved in producing this music clear the dance floors. I know some have accused these producers / Djs of jumping on the band wagon as well as selling out well that is the best bit, I forgot seeing them on This morning soccer AM and all over radio One.
Oh my that was a big aaaaaaaaarrrRrrrrrGggGhhhhhhh ! sorry ! Its all Rave Music, some I like, some I love, some I hate, thats life ! Im off now because Gammer is about to pick me up in his helicopter to take me up to Breezes London penthouse because he has hired out the whole of the Thames today so Matt Petruccio and modulates can race down it on their new power boat whilst racing Stylus & Audio Junky in their new airplane above and Styles is in his Bugatti on a purpose built floating road on top of the Thames for a thing weve been asked to record for Top Gear. Bloooody sell outs I say!
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wong
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Posted - 2012/01/08 : 16:02:06
seen this the other day, he's got a point i suppose
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Samination
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Posted - 2012/01/08 : 16:44:25
he's one of the reasons why we moan, so ofcourse we are allowed to use his wall. If people really used their wallets against the guy he would to ask for forgiveness... or blame it on piracy
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2012/01/08 : 17:15:51
Mr Cheese & Lee Witherspoon - Tweety (Mr. Cheese Remix) on Stompin' Stilton Records
That's all I have to say to YOU Hixxy! You can't outcheese me, try as though you might =P
I completely agree with him though, I've moaned about the music, but I've moaned about it from a strictly musical point of view, honestly I couldn't give a toss if they made 1 pound or 1 million pounds from it, commercialism has never bothered me, I just didn't like the music and thought it wasn't that great.
One small part he is wrong on (in my case) is that I always use "drum n bass-influenced" or "gabber-influenced" etc to describe tunes that are influenced in that way, but once again I only care about the music and love to break it down and discuss the individual elements of the music, that's just what I do as a music lover who enjoys talking about music.
Hardcore Underground is very important to me - it's a crucial point in the history of hardcore, not because of the music on the label but because if Hardcore Underground succeeds it will give hope to the smaller labels who will have followed it's success story.
I'd support HU even if I didn't like the music, it's the next biggest thing in the scene to clubland hardcore and if we can get it to the same level of popularity as clubland x-treme hardcore, then we're showing everyone else in the scene on smaller labels that anything is possible if you work at it, which is vastly needed at the moment.
I'm willing to bet money that Breeze, Styles, Gammer, Dougal etc. buy the HU CDs and probably enjoy it, even if it's not their musical direction. They're hardcore fans just like we are, clubland hardcore dominates the scene because there's nothing else as big in the scene to share the limelight.
Imagine a bowl of cornflakes with no milk, that probably makes a pretty shitty cereal to most people - but that doesn't mean you get rid of the cornflakes - it means you add the milk, and if there's not enough then you add more - then you can start to add sugar, maybe add a cup of tea or coffee to the side, and maybe some bacon - suddenly your once shitty cereal is looking like a nice breakfast. See what I mean?
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DJ Lawlzy
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Posted - 2012/01/08 : 20:44:19
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
Imagine a bowl of cornflakes with no milk, that probably makes a pretty shitty cereal to most people - but that doesn't mean you get rid of the cornflakes - it means you add the milk, and if there's not enough then you add more - then you can start to add sugar, maybe add a cup of tea or coffee to the side, and maybe some bacon - suddenly your once shitty cereal is looking like a nice breakfast. See what I mean?
I'm going to have to disagree with this analogy. See, cereal without milk is a beautiful, unappreciated thing and the milk makes the cereal sog down to an unappetizing level. I'm going to have to go with an analogy of plain popcorn, then you add the butter and it gets better. Then you buy an overpriced drink and it gets even better!
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2012/01/08 : 21:08:32
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One small part he is wrong on (in my case) is that I always use "drum n bass-influenced" or "gabber-influenced" etc to describe tunes that are influenced in that way, but once again I only care about the music and love to break it down and discuss the individual elements of the music, that's just what I do as a music lover who enjoys talking about music.
I'm sure you realise he wasn't talking to you lol.
Anyway yeah he is right on every point really. If people don't like it then don't listen to it but complaining to Hixxy about it as if it's his fault you don't like it is a bit silly. Neither he or the scene owe anyone anything. As much as i dislike the majority of it it's only my opinion so I'm not going to blame anyone else for that. I don't have to listen to it at all.
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2012/01/08 : 21:51:27
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Originally posted by DJ Lawlzy:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
Imagine a bowl of cornflakes with no milk, that probably makes a pretty shitty cereal to most people - but that doesn't mean you get rid of the cornflakes - it means you add the milk, and if there's not enough then you add more - then you can start to add sugar, maybe add a cup of tea or coffee to the side, and maybe some bacon - suddenly your once shitty cereal is looking like a nice breakfast. See what I mean?
I'm going to have to disagree with this analogy. See, cereal without milk is a beautiful, unappreciated thing and the milk makes the cereal sog down to an unappetizing level. I'm going to have to go with an analogy of plain popcorn, then you add the butter and it gets better. Then you buy an overpriced drink and it gets even better!
I actually agree! I eat all of my food separately because I'm a tiny bit OCD about that kind of thing. I don't really like bacon or breakfast at all tbh but I didn't want to bring my food preferences into this. As for popcorn I have no idea, Canada has much more popcorn variety than the UK I noticed when I was there.
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Brian K
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Posted - 2012/01/08 : 23:19:03
so...Carl Cox is coming back to hardcore?! =P
I've pretty much felt this way about most all of the major hardcore labels since 2005. I still remember how optimistic I was about raver baby when it was first announced and then it went poofter =P
so confused why there's a show called 'soccer am' in england
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2012/01/08 : 23:31:02
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Originally posted by Brian K:
so...Carl Cox is coming back to hardcore?! =P
I've pretty much felt this way about most all of the major hardcore labels since 2005. I still remember how optimistic I was about raver baby when it was first announced and then it went poofter =P
so confused why there's a show called 'soccer am' in england
I'm guessing because it's on in the morning.
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wong
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Posted - 2012/01/08 : 23:35:37
and its a show about soccer ........
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DJ Lawlzy
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Posted - 2012/01/08 : 23:50:43
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by DJ Lawlzy:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
Imagine a bowl of cornflakes with no milk, that probably makes a pretty shitty cereal to most people - but that doesn't mean you get rid of the cornflakes - it means you add the milk, and if there's not enough then you add more - then you can start to add sugar, maybe add a cup of tea or coffee to the side, and maybe some bacon - suddenly your once shitty cereal is looking like a nice breakfast. See what I mean?
I'm going to have to disagree with this analogy. See, cereal without milk is a beautiful, unappreciated thing and the milk makes the cereal sog down to an unappetizing level. I'm going to have to go with an analogy of plain popcorn, then you add the butter and it gets better. Then you buy an overpriced drink and it gets even better!
I actually agree! I eat all of my food separately because I'm a tiny bit OCD about that kind of thing. I don't really like bacon or breakfast at all tbh but I didn't want to bring my food preferences into this. As for popcorn I have no idea, Canada has much more popcorn variety than the UK I noticed when I was there.
I noticed this too, sweet popcorn is the norm for you guys yeah? Salty popcorn wasn't the default from what I know. :o We have caramellized popcorn, sweet and cheese flavored but salty/butter is the main one. /threadderailed
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Posted - 2012/01/09 : 00:09:27
popcorn is very over-rated but also very more-ish
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Brian K
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Posted - 2012/01/09 : 00:22:33
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Originally posted by Brian K:
so...Carl Cox is coming back to hardcore?! =P
I've pretty much felt this way about most all of the major hardcore labels since 2005. I still remember how optimistic I was about raver baby when it was first announced and then it went poofter =P
so confused why there's a show called 'soccer am' in england
I'm guessing because it's on in the morning.
but it's called FOOTBALL! =P
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2012/01/09 : 00:23:51
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Originally posted by DJ Lawlzy:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by DJ Lawlzy:
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
Imagine a bowl of cornflakes with no milk, that probably makes a pretty shitty cereal to most people - but that doesn't mean you get rid of the cornflakes - it means you add the milk, and if there's not enough then you add more - then you can start to add sugar, maybe add a cup of tea or coffee to the side, and maybe some bacon - suddenly your once shitty cereal is looking like a nice breakfast. See what I mean?
I'm going to have to disagree with this analogy. See, cereal without milk is a beautiful, unappreciated thing and the milk makes the cereal sog down to an unappetizing level. I'm going to have to go with an analogy of plain popcorn, then you add the butter and it gets better. Then you buy an overpriced drink and it gets even better!
I actually agree! I eat all of my food separately because I'm a tiny bit OCD about that kind of thing. I don't really like bacon or breakfast at all tbh but I didn't want to bring my food preferences into this. As for popcorn I have no idea, Canada has much more popcorn variety than the UK I noticed when I was there.
I noticed this too, sweet popcorn is the norm for you guys yeah? Salty popcorn wasn't the default from what I know. :o We have caramellized popcorn, sweet and cheese flavored but salty/butter is the main one. /threadderailed
Yeah, at cinemas here it's either Sweet or Salty. My tastebuds are awful and I can't really differentiate between flavours very well so when I got asked at a cinema here I just said 'salty' because I figured everything has salt in it and that's what I'd been eating so far. It smelled like farts and was weirdly warm, I know to get sweet in future now. As for caramellised and cheese popcorn...I just don't even know what that would taste like, I'm a really unadventurous eater, I wish I could just have a food pill tbh
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Posted - 2012/01/09 : 00:39:10
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Originally posted by Brian K:
so...Carl Cox is coming back to hardcore?! =P
I've pretty much felt this way about most all of the major hardcore labels since 2005. I still remember how optimistic I was about raver baby when it was first announced and then it went poofter =P
so confused why there's a show called 'soccer am' in england
I'm guessing because it's on in the morning.
but it's called FOOTBALL! =P
lmfao......... he has got a point
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Posted - 2012/01/09 : 00:58:57
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Originally posted by Shades:
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Originally posted by Brian K:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Originally posted by Brian K:
so...Carl Cox is coming back to hardcore?! =P
I've pretty much felt this way about most all of the major hardcore labels since 2005. I still remember how optimistic I was about raver baby when it was first announced and then it went poofter =P
so confused why there's a show called 'soccer am' in england
I'm guessing because it's on in the morning.
but it's called FOOTBALL! =P
lmfao......... he has got a point
Lol. It's known as Soccer in England though.
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