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Dogsy
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 Posted - 2012/01/20 : 11:58:39
I'd say something like
CD1 Styles & Breeze-
CD2 Hixxy & Re-con-
CD3 Scott Brown & Al Storm
CD4 Brisk & Ham
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_Jay_
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Posted - 2012/01/20 : 12:13:15
1. Who would DJ it?
I'd go for four CDs.
CD 1: Breeze, Styles & Gammer
CD 2: Hixxy & UFO
CD 3: Re-Con & Squad-E
CD 4: Scott Brown & Brisk
2. What sort of track and styles would you put on the album?
Breeze, Styles & Gammer's CD would be what's popular now. So it would consist of probably 70% (ish) of the new, electro-influenced stuff, and then the other 30% would be a selection of big vocal anthems.
Hixxy & UFO's CD would be more melodious. I think UFO's progressive style would really compliment Hixxy's style. I don't know how active UFO is these days, but I don't think I've ever heard anyone say anything except that they love him.
Re-Con & Squad-E's CD would be a real cheese-fest. They're both very good at making modern vocal anthemy style tracks. Really, really crisp production. More than likely feature a handful of electro-y tracks, which is no problem at all.
Scott Brown & Brisk's CD would be a more traditional affair. Mixture of some slightly more reserved vocal tracks, some twisty, sample-based stuff - and possibly even a couple of Gabber tracks at the end.
3. Why would it be viable? (ie. what are the sales points of the album)
To be commercially viable and profitable on the AATW scale, Freeform and Gabber in meaningful quantity simply aren't going to be an option - hence why I included no notable DJs from those scenes.
With the exception of UFO, and possibly (unfairly considering his career) Brisk, every single one of those names has proven selling power. That album would cover all bases of popular, modern, upfront Hardcore - with more than a little something for everyone. I don't know what the issues would be with who's signed to who, and what they're allowed to do legally - but I think an album in that format has the potential to be one of the best selling Hardcore releases of all time.
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DarrenJ
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Posted - 2012/01/20 : 12:26:41
Styles
Brisk
Recon + hixxy
Scott bown + Marc Smith
Bootleg cd (for dubstyle, trance, alex k & house remixes)
Guess the issue is would stores like tesco store a thicker 5 pack case.
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Kebab Head
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Posted - 2012/01/20 : 13:24:55
Silver, are you market researching for a possible bonkers release ?
I would basically go for a hardcore underground type album but obviously have at least one crowd puller like Darren styles or maybe a breeze & styles B2B
Also I would probably push for a competition for a fresh DJ that brings something else to the table
If this is for bonkers then hardcore underground has filled its boots nicely
But imagine a happy hardcore.com goes bonkers that would be amazing
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2012/01/20 : 13:33:20
quote:
Originally posted by _Jay_:
1. Who would DJ it?
I'd go for four CDs.
CD 1: Breeze, Styles & Gammer
CD 2: Hixxy & UFO
CD 3: Re-Con & Squad-E
CD 4: Scott Brown & Brisk
2. What sort of track and styles would you put on the album?
Breeze, Styles & Gammer's CD would be what's popular now. So it would consist of probably 70% (ish) of the new, electro-influenced stuff, and then the other 30% would be a selection of big vocal anthems.
Hixxy & UFO's CD would be more melodious. I think UFO's progressive style would really compliment Hixxy's style. I don't know how active UFO is these days, but I don't think I've ever heard anyone say anything except that they love him.
Re-Con & Squad-E's CD would be a real cheese-fest. They're both very good at making modern vocal anthemy style tracks. Really, really crisp production. More than likely feature a handful of electro-y tracks, which is no problem at all.
Scott Brown & Brisk's CD would be a more traditional affair. Mixture of some slightly more reserved vocal tracks, some twisty, sample-based stuff - and possibly even a couple of Gabber tracks at the end.
3. Why would it be viable? (ie. what are the sales points of the album)
To be commercially viable and profitable on the AATW scale, Freeform and Gabber in meaningful quantity simply aren't going to be an option - hence why I included no notable DJs from those scenes.
With the exception of UFO, and possibly (unfairly considering his career) Brisk, every single one of those names has proven selling power. That album would cover all bases of popular, modern, upfront Hardcore - with more than a little something for everyone. I don't know what the issues would be with who's signed to who, and what they're allowed to do legally - but I think an album in that format has the potential to be one of the best selling Hardcore releases of all time.
I think that'd be more suited to an HTID CD or something.
We're making a clubland CD, so it'd have to fit clubland standard...but nobody knows what the hell those crazy standards are, any consistency at this point has been lost, and if I was to pick out a key element that has remained the same throughout the whole series 1-8 I would say it has just taken existing popular club music and sped it up to hardcore pace - I'm not saying this is a bad thing necessarily but I don't think it's right to call it the 'future of hardcore' or whatever. I know I'm getting back into a style-war here, but this is the point that always bugs me. The bigger picture is so ridiculous too; an entire genre of underground rave music is being influenced by a single commercial CD spinoff.
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d2kx
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Posted - 2012/01/20 : 13:44:53
CD1 - Hixxy & Technikore
CD2 - Fracus & Darwin
CD3 - Styles, Breeze & Re-Con
CD4 - Alek Szahala
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dno221
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Posted - 2012/01/20 : 16:37:41
cd1: Upfront Electro/Dubcore mixed by Gammer
cd2: Cheesy/Vocal/Trancy Hardcore mixed by Squad-e
cd3: Freeform mixed by Douglas
cd4: Breakbeat Hardcore mixed by CLSM
cd5: Gabber mixed by Endymion
its all about variety think that is part of what made Bonkers such a success, the album could be called "Total Hardcore" or something of that nature, id like to see all these genres included on a single compilation, it would all have to be mixed by hand no pc mixing
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DJ-Hutchy
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Posted - 2012/01/20 : 16:43:03
I think some people are missing the point here as its your "clubland" album, Some of these suggestions would not attract the "clubland" buyers imo. You would lose a majority of sales.
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dno221
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Posted - 2012/01/20 : 16:48:28
clubland is clubland it should be mixed by the same people you cant change the formula after 8 years or what eva it is now..
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2012/01/20 : 16:55:34
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Originally posted by DJ-Hutchy:
I think some people are missing the point here as its your "clubland" album, Some of these suggestions would not attract the "clubland" buyers imo. You would lose a majority of sales.
Yea I was hoping to see something more realistic and I only consider 3 maybe 4 suggestions to be just that lol
As mentioned before this is a clubland album and AATW will not take into consideration a dj that isn't as marketable or even well known as the current 3 they already have. Their main goal is to make a profit, and clearly that is their main concern rather than giving a voice to new talent and not really concerning themselves to take the whole hardcore scene in a new direction.
I have a feeling some new projects as far as albums go will be in the works for this year. Can't wait till darwin and fracus release their balancing act sequel. And weren't dougal and gammer in the works for an album themselves?
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DJ-Hutchy
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Posted - 2012/01/20 : 17:09:19
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
quote:
Originally posted by DJ-Hutchy:
I think some people are missing the point here as its your "clubland" album, Some of these suggestions would not attract the "clubland" buyers imo. You would lose a majority of sales.
Yea I was hoping to see something more realistic and I only consider 3 maybe 4 suggestions to be just that lol
As mentioned before this is a clubland album and AATW will not take into consideration a dj that isn't as marketable or even well known as the current 3 they already have. Their main goal is to make a profit, and clearly that is their main concern rather than giving a voice to new talent and not really concerning themselves to take the whole hardcore scene in a new direction.
I have a feeling some new projects as far as albums go will be in the works for this year. Can't wait till darwin and fracus release their balancing act sequel. And weren't dougal and gammer in the works for an album themselves?
Agree there mate & yea i think it got postponed but im sure i read somewhere that the D&G album is back on.
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_Jay_
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Posted - 2012/01/20 : 17:14:47
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Originally posted by DJ-Hutchy:I read somewhere that the D&G album is back on.
Ohhhh, is that right? Lovely.
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Samination
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Posted - 2012/01/20 : 17:24:38
Didn't even know it was put on hold? But then, will they even have tracks released before 2005 on there?
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2012/01/20 : 17:40:43
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Originally posted by Samination:
Didn't even know it was put on hold? But then, will they even have tracks released before 2005 on there?
I highly doubt it. If there were tracks from that era then there really shouldn't be any delays at all. I imagine they're just working on some tunes and whatnot. Hopefully its made up of mostly new material rather than have old stuff used as filler.
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2012/01/20 : 17:41:45
quote:
Originally posted by latininxtc:
quote:
Originally posted by DJ-Hutchy:
I think some people are missing the point here as its your "clubland" album, Some of these suggestions would not attract the "clubland" buyers imo. You would lose a majority of sales.
Yea I was hoping to see something more realistic and I only consider 3 maybe 4 suggestions to be just that lol
As mentioned before this is a clubland album and AATW will not take into consideration a dj that isn't as marketable or even well known as the current 3 they already have. Their main goal is to make a profit, and clearly that is their main concern rather than giving a voice to new talent and not really concerning themselves to take the whole hardcore scene in a new direction.
I have a feeling some new projects as far as albums go will be in the works for this year. Can't wait till darwin and fracus release their balancing act sequel. And weren't dougal and gammer in the works for an album themselves?
Yeah, as I said this does come across as a bit of an underhanded way of saying "I bet you can't do better".
Personally, I don't really understand the need to turn Hardcore into something commercially friendly, but if I was to put myself in Clubland's shoes and make money from a Hardcore album, here's what I would do:
- Scrap the "Clubland X-Treme Hardcore" name
- Rename it "Clubland Presents (in small letters) - X-Treme Hardcore <whatever>" The name isn't really that important right now, they'd obviously have to decide on something better
- Get rid of the typical 'clubby' image and put some ravers and some glowsticks/smiley faces on the front of it, or do whatever makes it look more like a RAVE CD. A bit like Ministry of Sound did with their 'Best of the Old Skool' CD (which was a massive hit)
- Listen to what the ravers are digging the most and cater to that style. Dougal and Gammer are raver favorites, why don't they have their own CD?
- Don't try and ram this 'NEW STYLE' stuff down people's necks, it's easy for the dubstep/electro influenced hardcore to sound very same-y after a while, all you need is a few tracks here and there - save the rest for your label and see where it goes if you really want to do that style
- Same applies to Freeform and Breakbeat hardcore - just a few tracks here and there to show the diversity of hardcore, not a whole CD dedicated to the stuff - that just reeks of pidgeonholing and a closed minded attitude
- Include a really diverse range of artists, having a CD with the same names on the tracklist just makes the scene look smaller than it actually is and looks like a really obvious attempt by a few guys to fool people into thinking the scene revolves around them - I'm sure we've all seen this happen on Amateur scene releases - a tracklist with constantly repeating artists looks bad.
The selling points would be:
- Hardcore is underground rave music - everyone knows this. Make it look like it, underground appeal boosts sales so much, I think this is partly why HU is so appealing, people want to know what's happening in "the underground". Sure you can't use the word "underground" without seeming like an HU copy, but you can imply it with Artwork, image, TV ads etc.
- Many people (myself included) don't buy CLXH anymore because we know it isn't going to be to our taste, some people won't even give it a glance. Rebranding the series and adding a more diverse range of artists would pique the interest of the ravers who gave up on it, and they'd certainly buy it just to see if this new series is worth pursuing
- By pushing a more 'ravey' image, people will be more inclined to start going to raves and seeing what the hype is about, you will find more people actually acting like ravers too, and not showing the drunk loutish behaviour that seems to have leaked in recently from the club scene. It'll fill dancefloors and introduce loads of new ravers who will actually stick with it too, you'd be giving ravers a proper identity again.
- You'd also be joining the 'moaning internet people' with the ravers instead of dividing them...bit hard to complain about a series when it really does showcase every side of hardcore and promote up and coming talent
- Maybe it's not financially doable but how about throwing some stickers or something in the CD case too? It doesn't have to be anything spectacular, but everyone appreciates fun little personal touches like that
Come on DJs and Producers! I see you moaning about how the word "rave" is misused in popular media...that sounds to me like they're hungry for a rave...go and provide it to them - show them what a rave is about, don't try and give it to them in club-form. When I walk down the aisle of HMV (yes I still buy physical CDs) seeing a big "CLUBLAND" logo and a woman in a bikini really does not make me think of raves at all - if I didn't know about the compilation I would just assume it's an electro house CD or something like Hed Kandi, Rave music would be the last thing to cross my mind.
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