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Samination
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 Posted - 2012/01/23 : 15:19:47
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Originally posted by Samination:
Plus he's music isn't the same standard tbh
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Posted - 2012/01/23 : 22:18:08
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Originally posted by CDJay:
The fantastic thing about Vladels vaguely directed tiriade is that he's lashing out at one of the few camps who might listen, whilst absolutely slating those who might endeavour to act on his judgements,
We'll do a lot this year, but I can safely say he'll hate it all as his "input" can never be that.
CDJay @ Do a Lot in The Hardcore Underground
Ok mister when the first hardcore underground came out i had no idea it even existed and it was only when a favourite compilation of 2006 thread started on here i looked it up and i was amazed at how different it was. I knew who kurt was but i hadn't heard much of darwin and Cube::hard beyond a few token tracks and it was when the big guns all had a regular place on one of the big compilations.
I didn't like as much of Hardcore underground 2 as much as the first but i really liked what i did like and so i saw it as a step forward. Hardcore undergorund 3 was a huge leap forward and was the first to feature one of my favourite Dj's/producers (brisk). In a thread regarding hardcore heaven volume 3 (2006) and a recent mix by brisk and ham on the radio i think. People had called into question how rammed the tracks were on the CD and the show. HH3 had 25 tracks on brisks disk and i recall you had said something regarding him being on HU3 as that won't happen with reference to a ridiculous number of tracks on a CD like the 25 on HH3.
I'm not going to bother looking it up because it's not that big an issue but in all fairness, you did listen and it was 18 tracks on HU3.
I have said before that HU4 could be my favourite hardcore compilation of all time in terms of track quality and i still stand by that statement and that belief. I am not slating Hardcore undergound at all! I am mourning where it went wrong for me and while the series introduced me to fracus and darwin i think they've gone to bollocks and the series with it. MORE THAN MOST i want HU6 to be the best compilation the series or even the scene has ever seen that breaks new ground and sets the bar for all future albums because that's what HU3 and HU4 did! They were that good that all beyond it are rated more harshly as a result. HU2010 was a step down and i've already viewed my opinions on the latest offering.
IF HU6 is great then i will tell everyone but if it's wank i'll tell you and isn't that what you want from your hardcore fans? Or do you want to only hear from the people that will tell you what you want to hear?
Al storm was wank, Fracus and darwin were bland and could do much better with far less track time, brisk was castrated and AB/douglas are not lost soul/oli g or kevin energy.
I hope you sort it out because i've already bought a couple of the full versions of the few tracks i liked from the album and would buy more if they were available right now. That's support twice fella!
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Posted - 2012/01/24 : 03:11:36
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Originally posted by Vladel:
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Originally posted by CDJay:
The fantastic thing about Vladels vaguely directed tiriade is that he's lashing out at one of the few camps who might listen, whilst absolutely slating those who might endeavour to act on his judgements,
We'll do a lot this year, but I can safely say he'll hate it all as his "input" can never be that.
CDJay @ Do a Lot in The Hardcore Underground
Ok mister when the first hardcore underground came out i had no idea it even existed and it was only when a favourite compilation of 2006 thread started on here i looked it up and i was amazed at how different it was. I knew who kurt was but i hadn't heard much of darwin and Cube::hard beyond a few token tracks and it was when the big guns all had a regular place on one of the big compilations.
I didn't like as much of Hardcore underground 2 as much as the first but i really liked what i did like and so i saw it as a step forward. Hardcore undergorund 3 was a huge leap forward and was the first to feature one of my favourite Dj's/producers (brisk). In a thread regarding hardcore heaven volume 3 (2006) and a recent mix by brisk and ham on the radio i think. People had called into question how rammed the tracks were on the CD and the show. HH3 had 25 tracks on brisks disk and i recall you had said something regarding him being on HU3 as that won't happen with reference to a ridiculous number of tracks on a CD like the 25 on HH3.
I'm not going to bother looking it up because it's not that big an issue but in all fairness, you did listen and it was 18 tracks on HU3.
I have said before that HU4 could be my favourite hardcore compilation of all time in terms of track quality and i still stand by that statement and that belief. I am not slating Hardcore undergound at all! I am mourning where it went wrong for me and while the series introduced me to fracus and darwin i think they've gone to bollocks and the series with it. MORE THAN MOST i want HU6 to be the best compilation the series or even the scene has ever seen that breaks new ground and sets the bar for all future albums because that's what HU3 and HU4 did! They were that good that all beyond it are rated more harshly as a result. HU2010 was a step down and i've already viewed my opinions on the latest offering.
IF HU6 is great then i will tell everyone but if it's wank i'll tell you and isn't that what you want from your hardcore fans? Or do you want to only hear from the people that will tell you what you want to hear?
Al storm was wank, Fracus and darwin were bland and could do much better with far less track time, brisk was castrated and AB/douglas are not lost soul/oli g or kevin energy.
I hope you sort it out because i've already bought a couple of the full versions of the few tracks i liked from the album and would buy more if they were available right now. That's support twice fella!
Lmao you sure do think a lot of yourself if you think that cdjay should change things just to make sure you are pleased. HU albums get more and more popular as the next one is released and this one is no different. The majority of us here love the album, and the majority of us do not hesitate to purchase them either so long as we can financially. If you don't like it, then it's fine. But listen to the previews first before you purchase them.
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Posted - 2012/01/24 : 04:36:09
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by Vladel:
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Originally posted by CDJay:
The fantastic thing about Vladels vaguely directed tiriade is that he's lashing out at one of the few camps who might listen, whilst absolutely slating those who might endeavour to act on his judgements,
We'll do a lot this year, but I can safely say he'll hate it all as his "input" can never be that.
CDJay @ Do a Lot in The Hardcore Underground
Ok mister when the first hardcore underground came out i had no idea it even existed and it was only when a favourite compilation of 2006 thread started on here i looked it up and i was amazed at how different it was. I knew who kurt was but i hadn't heard much of darwin and Cube::hard beyond a few token tracks and it was when the big guns all had a regular place on one of the big compilations.
I didn't like as much of Hardcore underground 2 as much as the first but i really liked what i did like and so i saw it as a step forward. Hardcore undergorund 3 was a huge leap forward and was the first to feature one of my favourite Dj's/producers (brisk). In a thread regarding hardcore heaven volume 3 (2006) and a recent mix by brisk and ham on the radio i think. People had called into question how rammed the tracks were on the CD and the show. HH3 had 25 tracks on brisks disk and i recall you had said something regarding him being on HU3 as that won't happen with reference to a ridiculous number of tracks on a CD like the 25 on HH3.
I'm not going to bother looking it up because it's not that big an issue but in all fairness, you did listen and it was 18 tracks on HU3.
I have said before that HU4 could be my favourite hardcore compilation of all time in terms of track quality and i still stand by that statement and that belief. I am not slating Hardcore undergound at all! I am mourning where it went wrong for me and while the series introduced me to fracus and darwin i think they've gone to bollocks and the series with it. MORE THAN MOST i want HU6 to be the best compilation the series or even the scene has ever seen that breaks new ground and sets the bar for all future albums because that's what HU3 and HU4 did! They were that good that all beyond it are rated more harshly as a result. HU2010 was a step down and i've already viewed my opinions on the latest offering.
IF HU6 is great then i will tell everyone but if it's wank i'll tell you and isn't that what you want from your hardcore fans? Or do you want to only hear from the people that will tell you what you want to hear?
Al storm was wank, Fracus and darwin were bland and could do much better with far less track time, brisk was castrated and AB/douglas are not lost soul/oli g or kevin energy.
I hope you sort it out because i've already bought a couple of the full versions of the few tracks i liked from the album and would buy more if they were available right now. That's support twice fella!
Lmao you sure do think a lot of yourself if you think that cdjay should change things just to make sure you are pleased. HU albums get more and more popular as the next one is released and this one is no different. The majority of us here love the album, and the majority of us do not hesitate to purchase them either so long as we can financially. If you don't like it, then it's fine. But listen to the previews first before you purchase them.
weird, I still haven't bought any HU CDs? But then I buy the singles when they come out :)
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Posted - 2012/01/24 : 07:11:49
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by Vladel:
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Originally posted by CDJay:
The fantastic thing about Vladels vaguely directed tiriade is that he's lashing out at one of the few camps who might listen, whilst absolutely slating those who might endeavour to act on his judgements,
We'll do a lot this year, but I can safely say he'll hate it all as his "input" can never be that.
CDJay @ Do a Lot in The Hardcore Underground
Ok mister when the first hardcore underground came out i had no idea it even existed and it was only when a favourite compilation of 2006 thread started on here i looked it up and i was amazed at how different it was. I knew who kurt was but i hadn't heard much of darwin and Cube::hard beyond a few token tracks and it was when the big guns all had a regular place on one of the big compilations.
I didn't like as much of Hardcore underground 2 as much as the first but i really liked what i did like and so i saw it as a step forward. Hardcore undergorund 3 was a huge leap forward and was the first to feature one of my favourite Dj's/producers (brisk). In a thread regarding hardcore heaven volume 3 (2006) and a recent mix by brisk and ham on the radio i think. People had called into question how rammed the tracks were on the CD and the show. HH3 had 25 tracks on brisks disk and i recall you had said something regarding him being on HU3 as that won't happen with reference to a ridiculous number of tracks on a CD like the 25 on HH3.
I'm not going to bother looking it up because it's not that big an issue but in all fairness, you did listen and it was 18 tracks on HU3.
I have said before that HU4 could be my favourite hardcore compilation of all time in terms of track quality and i still stand by that statement and that belief. I am not slating Hardcore undergound at all! I am mourning where it went wrong for me and while the series introduced me to fracus and darwin i think they've gone to bollocks and the series with it. MORE THAN MOST i want HU6 to be the best compilation the series or even the scene has ever seen that breaks new ground and sets the bar for all future albums because that's what HU3 and HU4 did! They were that good that all beyond it are rated more harshly as a result. HU2010 was a step down and i've already viewed my opinions on the latest offering.
IF HU6 is great then i will tell everyone but if it's wank i'll tell you and isn't that what you want from your hardcore fans? Or do you want to only hear from the people that will tell you what you want to hear?
Al storm was wank, Fracus and darwin were bland and could do much better with far less track time, brisk was castrated and AB/douglas are not lost soul/oli g or kevin energy.
I hope you sort it out because i've already bought a couple of the full versions of the few tracks i liked from the album and would buy more if they were available right now. That's support twice fella!
Lmao you sure do think a lot of yourself if you think that cdjay should change things just to make sure you are pleased. HU albums get more and more popular as the next one is released and this one is no different. The majority of us here love the album, and the majority of us do not hesitate to purchase them either so long as we can financially. If you don't like it, then it's fine. But listen to the previews first before you purchase them.
weird, I still haven't bought any HU CDs? But then I buy the singles when they come out :)
That's because you don't "buy" anything 
Also you've mentioned you don't buy mixed cds but if you did you would buy the HU cds
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Samination
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Posted - 2012/01/24 : 13:25:25
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by Vladel:
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Originally posted by CDJay:
The fantastic thing about Vladels vaguely directed tiriade is that he's lashing out at one of the few camps who might listen, whilst absolutely slating those who might endeavour to act on his judgements,
We'll do a lot this year, but I can safely say he'll hate it all as his "input" can never be that.
CDJay @ Do a Lot in The Hardcore Underground
Ok mister when the first hardcore underground came out i had no idea it even existed and it was only when a favourite compilation of 2006 thread started on here i looked it up and i was amazed at how different it was. I knew who kurt was but i hadn't heard much of darwin and Cube::hard beyond a few token tracks and it was when the big guns all had a regular place on one of the big compilations.
I didn't like as much of Hardcore underground 2 as much as the first but i really liked what i did like and so i saw it as a step forward. Hardcore undergorund 3 was a huge leap forward and was the first to feature one of my favourite Dj's/producers (brisk). In a thread regarding hardcore heaven volume 3 (2006) and a recent mix by brisk and ham on the radio i think. People had called into question how rammed the tracks were on the CD and the show. HH3 had 25 tracks on brisks disk and i recall you had said something regarding him being on HU3 as that won't happen with reference to a ridiculous number of tracks on a CD like the 25 on HH3.
I'm not going to bother looking it up because it's not that big an issue but in all fairness, you did listen and it was 18 tracks on HU3.
I have said before that HU4 could be my favourite hardcore compilation of all time in terms of track quality and i still stand by that statement and that belief. I am not slating Hardcore undergound at all! I am mourning where it went wrong for me and while the series introduced me to fracus and darwin i think they've gone to bollocks and the series with it. MORE THAN MOST i want HU6 to be the best compilation the series or even the scene has ever seen that breaks new ground and sets the bar for all future albums because that's what HU3 and HU4 did! They were that good that all beyond it are rated more harshly as a result. HU2010 was a step down and i've already viewed my opinions on the latest offering.
IF HU6 is great then i will tell everyone but if it's wank i'll tell you and isn't that what you want from your hardcore fans? Or do you want to only hear from the people that will tell you what you want to hear?
Al storm was wank, Fracus and darwin were bland and could do much better with far less track time, brisk was castrated and AB/douglas are not lost soul/oli g or kevin energy.
I hope you sort it out because i've already bought a couple of the full versions of the few tracks i liked from the album and would buy more if they were available right now. That's support twice fella!
Lmao you sure do think a lot of yourself if you think that cdjay should change things just to make sure you are pleased. HU albums get more and more popular as the next one is released and this one is no different. The majority of us here love the album, and the majority of us do not hesitate to purchase them either so long as we can financially. If you don't like it, then it's fine. But listen to the previews first before you purchase them.
weird, I still haven't bought any HU CDs? But then I buy the singles when they come out :)
That's because you don't "buy" anything
Also you've mentioned you don't buy mixed cds but if you did you would buy the HU cds
Well I buy mixed CDs also, but since I'm a hobby listeners/dj, it would've been nice to get unmixed aswell.
And I've never liked combilations anywyas (mixed or not). I prefer to give my money to the artist I want to support, and not split it up inbetween others.
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Posted - 2012/01/24 : 16:35:02
"Ok mister when the first hardcore underground came out i had no idea it even existed and it was only when a favourite compilation of 2006 thread started on here i looked it up and i was amazed at how different it was. I knew who kurt was but i hadn't heard much of darwin and Cube::hard beyond a few token tracks and it was when the big guns all had a regular place on one of the big compilations."
Spiffing!
"I didn't like as much of Hardcore underground 2 as much as the first but i really liked what i did like and so i saw it as a step forward."
HU2 was compromised from the outset, both with artwork (ahem) and ultimately a *lot* of tracks got pulled because the company behind it insisted on itunes (which it didn't come out on, lol) and we could not longer license them. Cue a last minute tracklist rearrange and hastily assembled mixes which ultimately made it a lesser product and drove us to do:
"Hardcore undergorund 3 was a huge leap forward and was the first to feature one of my favourite Dj's/producers (brisk). In a thread regarding hardcore heaven volume 3 (2006) and a recent mix by brisk and ham on the radio i think. People had called into question how rammed the tracks were on the CD and the show. HH3 had 25 tracks on brisks disk and i recall you had said something regarding him being on HU3 as that won't happen with reference to a ridiculous number of tracks on a CD like the 25 on HH3.
I'm not going to bother looking it up because it's not that big an issue but in all fairness, you did listen and it was 18 tracks on HU3."
Yep, I/we tend to listen and act on stuff. Half the time I agree with people when they call us out on any project management snafus.
"I have said before that HU4 could be my favourite hardcore compilation of all time in terms of track quality and i still stand by that statement and that belief. I am not slating Hardcore undergound at all! I am mourning where it went wrong for me and while the series introduced me to fracus and darwin i think they've gone to bollocks and the series with it."
This is where we have a divergence of opinion, because I wouldn't be allowing them to go to bollocks let alone funding and murdering myself putting together albums for them to showcase them going to bollocks.
"MORE THAN MOST i want HU6 to be the best compilation the series or even the scene has ever seen that breaks new ground and sets the bar for all future albums because that's what HU3 and HU4 did! They were that good that all beyond it are rated more harshly as a result. HU2010 was a step down and i've already viewed my opinions on the latest offering."
I want HU6 to be amazing, hell we sidestepped doing HU5 with Presents 2010 because I was of the opinon that following HU4 was going to be.... problematic. Ultimately with the way the scene was going last year we decided that we/you/the scene/the wider world needed HU5.
"IF HU6 is great then i will tell everyone but if it's wank i'll tell you and isn't that what you want from your hardcore fans? Or do you want to only hear from the people that will tell you what you want to hear? "
Absolutely not, how often have you heard me or anyone else involved bandy the "hater" tag around to explain differences of opinion. In fact, I repeatedly warn everyone that we're likely to be judged both against things that outstrip us massively in terms of budget and influence as well as their own feelings about past seminal volumes past.
"Al storm was wank, Fracus and darwin were bland and could do much better with far less track time, brisk was castrated and AB/douglas are not lost soul/oli g or kevin energy."
I've explained CD1 before, we knew it would be divisive but in the run up to CXH8 we figured that that sound (primarily) would likely not get the usual annual showing and Technikore had never mixed a UK Hardcore album before. I consider both to be very talented. Do I wish I'd done more to direct the Cd towards a happy middle? Yes. 2011 was truly horrendous for all of us at HU and I've said freely and repeatedly that I took my eye off the ball and didn't do enough to support everyone involved and encourage cross-pollenation and proactive seeking of artists or generation of material. CD2 didn't balance quite as well as I'd like, altho I obviously don't see how "Got the Rhythm" is bland (I think it's one of if not the best track of 2011 but hey ho) or that Brisk was castrated. I don't think it gelled as well as it might have, and that everyone involved didn't end up entirely happy with that. We're still talking a decent CD, IMO, in a year where much of everything else was collapsing which is in itself an accomplishment. CD3 is fantastic, and ranks as one of the best we've ever put out. CD4 was commisioned on the understanding that you have to plant seeds to grow, and what the HBC lot are doing is of MASSIVE importance going forward. Again, I didn't really offer the usual level of support and I think it came out well. However I'm sure they can, and will, do even better.
"I hope you sort it out because i've already bought a couple of the full versions of the few tracks i liked from the album and would buy more if they were available right now. That's support twice fella!"
Which is appreciated. You may have found HU5 disappinting, but plenty of people really liked it. I wish it was more than it is, but I say that every time out (HU4 is the closest to me being totally satisfied which mirrors your sentiments). What I was actually talking about was your statement that HU6 *would* have 35+ tracks (which I already said wouldn't be the case, certainly on all but 1 discs) and be 70% F&D material. Which it won't. It's a remarkably pessimistic angle to take when everyone involved is so receptive to feedback and usually acts on it. 
HU6 won't be our next project simply because the concept for CD4 will take a while to bear fruit. We're not aiming any lower than the best we've ever done but (and this is a very big but) what we can never do is rekindle how people felt about something at some point in their lives. You see people repeatedly referring to a timeframe and saying hardcore was at it's best then and that's a very personal thing. Even if HU6 is absolutely fantastic, you might not feel the same way you would have if you'd heard it 3 years ago.
I've seen someone say that all the albums prior to Presents 2010 "lacked quality" (seriously!) and I've seen another person say that they were all terrible after HU1. Does this mean I actually take either on board outright? No, I weigh the context of the opinions through my mind and spit out a subconsiously combined result which by and large I trust.
Which wraps this up because if you don't like what F&D are doing no matter how I direct the structure of the projects in the future it's unlikely to offset that. The simple fact is that they are the main two artists on HU, and two of the very very small number of people writing hardcore full time whilst focusing constantly on trying to improve both what we do *and* things on the periphery.
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Posted - 2012/01/24 : 19:38:36
Credit to CDJay.
Its rare owners or organizers explain stuff like this in a professional but honest and open manner.
If only referee's, The FA and top tier Hardcore producers did this more :P
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Posted - 2012/01/24 : 21:40:29
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Plus he's music isn't the same standard tbh
Oh sh*t, they're onto you.
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Posted - 2012/01/27 : 09:34:33
Back onto topic and yes i know it's in the past and things have to move on etc but i wish it was going to be 2006!
Best ever hardcore year EVER! It just blows my mind to go back through my 2006 playlist and see/hear the amount of quality on there.
I'm gonna end up being the 2006/2007 smoogie lol.
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Posted - 2012/01/27 : 10:01:42
I hope it will be the year of freeform cause i m enjoying it always more and more :)
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Posted - 2012/01/27 : 14:12:57
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Back onto topic and yes i know it's in the past and things have to move on etc but i wish it was going to be 2006!
Best ever hardcore year EVER! It just blows my mind to go back through my 2006 playlist and see/hear the amount of quality on there.
I'm gonna end up being the 2006/2007 smoogie lol.
and I'm going to be 2003_was_the_time
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Posted - 2012/01/28 : 19:44:31
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Back onto topic and yes i know it's in the past and things have to move on etc but i wish it was going to be 2006!
Best ever hardcore year EVER! It just blows my mind to go back through my 2006 playlist and see/hear the amount of quality on there.
I'm gonna end up being the 2006/2007 smoogie lol.
2006 is the year i started to get dissilusioned with hardcore abit, started to go downhill imo, i obviously still love hardcore and have bought many cds from then till now, but from 2002 till 2006 i would of bought nearly every cd that was released but now i only buy certain stuff that i like the look of or really want
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Posted - 2012/01/28 : 21:26:24
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What are your personal (hardcore related) wishes and goals for the year?
I wish for massive production of uplifting vocal/trancy hardcore !! :D
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