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Jon-Brown
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 Posted - 2012/08/30 : 13:10:01
Changing the Game: Breaking Boundaries with Mark Breeze
It's an essential part of any self respecting producer's day to day to constantly evolve, continue coming up with fresh sounds, keep pushing forward and in every sense of the phrase, change the game they are in. Having been one of underground dance music's leading faces since the beginning of the hardcore era way back when in the 90's, Mark Breeze has always challenged boundaries, broke borders and consistently maintained a mission statement that requires him as a Producer and as a DJ to keep raising the bar.
From acid house to the crowd christened Dubcore, he's put his own unique spin on them all. Probably more commonly known for his work with fellow game changer Darren Styles not only in hardcore, but also breaking through on a commercial level too, with many chart hits and radio smashes on his resume; Mark's been pulling anthems out of his head since most of us were old enough to know what an anthem was.
From big riffs to killer hooks, from Essential Platinum, Raverbaby and Clubland to Junkbox, Futureworldand Futurecore, he's been a driving force behind them all. This of course includes the continuing devotion to compiling his resident disc of All Around The World's annual, CD compilation chart smashing Clubland X-Treme Hardcore and also more recently the development of such mind blowing talent as the visionary Petruccio & Modulate and shamelessly gifted rhyme specialist Static. Not needing any further introduction, we speak to a man that's headlined many a Worldwide party in hardcore's history and is set to do just that again at HTID's Summer Gathering Weekender this September in Newquay, Cornwall - Mark Breeze to the stage please...
Let's get down to business and cut straight to the chase - you're a man that has seen somewhat of a musical evolution over the last year, as well as consistently releasing and remixing some anthems for which you are famed, you have along with a select few of your choosing been influencing and championing hardcore in a newer, fresher direction. What inspired a shift in creativity?
"Nothing more than the fact that as with any music genre (or the evolution of music) is that it goes with the times and as you know hardcore always follows the most popular things that are happening anyway. If you look back to the happy hardcore era, that followed the 90's happy pop stuff and then really onto the 2001 stuff when the trance sound was really big, the Paul Van Dyk's and Ferry Corsten's and certainly mine and Darren's sound at the time was taking influence from that because we were both listening to those styles outside of hardcore, which I think most producers do listen to other genres of music. I've always listened to drum and bass and obviously with the drum and bass, bass music, dubstep, electro and whatever else has bass in it (I don't know why its categorized half of it, I'm not sure, it's just tempo related), but for me because of that, what's going on and liking other tunes that are about and listening to other people like Andy C and Loadstar and people like that; you pick up an influence off what they are doing.
That was pretty much the idea with putting new sounds into hardcore really. A lot of the tunes coming through from Petruccio & Modulate were mostly based on the fact that Mike likes electro and does a lot of electro and his influence into that... into hardcore, made him what he is now with that and that's how it should be, I dont think everyone should be just... (Pauses) I certainly wouldnt be saying to myself I need to look at what other hardcore producers are doing, because it's just going round in circles now and it becomes copycat.
Unfortunately for me a year and a half, two years ago it was all stuck in a rut and I didnt really want to carry on doing what I was doing in that sort of style, so something had to change for me and it did and this has given me a new lease of life, a new angle and a new feel and I'm excited by it again. It's different now to how I felt obviously a year and half, two years ago."
That's fair enough! The word Dubcore gets a lot of use as a buzzword, what does it mean to you and is it even a genre or another senseless effort to micro pigeon hole music? As a sound it has had a reaction which others have said may have even split the scene right down the middle, what are your views on this?
"For me and probably for a lot of other people - the only people you're ever going to get commenting on this type of genre name, split or anything else like that is only ever going to be people that are unhappy with it. It's never going to be people that are happy with it; the people that are happy with it just get on with it. They just turn up and rave, have a good time and go home. The trouble with a lot of the purists is that they dont like change and the unfortunate part is, you have to change otherwise you die, that's just the way it is. All things become popular and go up and down (as we know in cycles), it's not to say that producers are not doing that type of style of music, especially with the Dubcore thing, I think its just because people have tagged dubstep with hardcore and called it Dubcore.
Theres no initial thing about it, people just like to put things in categories and why they want to do that I dont know, its 170, I play, well, everyone seems to think I play just Dubcore stuff but its not actually the case and if you listen to my sets especially on my Soundcloud they are more jumping between hardcore, drum and bass, whatever the new style you want to call it is (Dubcore) because they are all around 170, 175 and its just a case of what I want to put in my set that I feel I like is a good tune or what makes dance floors move. If people think that it doesnt make dance floors move, why does it work at drum and bass events? I think what it is, is the initial quick contrast between a track that's kind of bouncy and going for it and all of a sudden its a bit more swingy and laid back, some people like to dance like that, some people like to dance on the spot, but, you know, get used to it, you can do both, theres no limits to it.
It could split the scene down the middle, who knows? But, there's not a primarily driven Dubcore night out there at the moment, but then there's not enough people that do this kind of stuff at the moment, which is probably a good thing as well, because we dont need a saturation of it, everyone just needs to go away and think about what they want to do and add their different influences and I think that'll be the best way for it all to work out. I DO think the narrow mindedness needs to drop definitely, because we can all enjoy a bit of music and not have to worry about the same stuff for 10 hours. I could quite easily turn around and say I don't like particular types of music, but I understand they all fit in within the category of what we're doing and everyone needs to be entertained, you know, so you shouldnt be blocking out something that someone else likes."
Each to their own as they say. In terms of albums, as an audience the first real introduction to a newer shift in musical direction from you album wise was your annual, resident disc on this year's Clubland X-Treme Hardcore 8 CD compilation of which you release every year on the AATW label with hardcore stalwarts Darren Styles, Hixxy and co. Will you be signing on for another this year and if so, are you preparing for it yet?
"Yes, we're contracted (maybe not a lot of people know this), but we're contracted in fives. We were contracted to do 1 5, they were happy at the end of 5 and they contracted us for another 5 so we dont finish our contract until 10 obviously. So, 9 is the next one coming up and as far as I'm aware or concerned we're ongoing. We're already making tracks for it, should the worst case scenario be that they dont want to do it or it becomes unpopular with them or whatever (which I can't see happening), then we'll just move on and move to somebody else and try and do that or cover it ourselves.
We're still putting stuff out there and that is the biggest thing about the hardcore scene, I know people say this, that, or the other about the music but if there's no albums or material coming out then thats going to make it even harder - so it still needs a fluent amount of stuff which is what we're all doing with our labels. We've got to look at Junkbox and Futureworld and see what we're doing, we're still putting out regular tracks, trying not to put them out too quickly so that it doesnt saturate things but at the same time trying to put out enough that it's keeping people interested."
Keeping an even keel, but at the same time keeping it fresh and interesting is good, we're certainly looking forward to another Clubland X-treme thats for sure. You've continued to push forward regardless of any negative feedback though to appeal to the larger audience that has a great love for your new direction in sound, but also, as an artist been branching new sounds out to other genres and scenes too, tell us about some other genres you're developing projects in lately?
"We've just been opening our minds to working with all types of things and all types of music, it's like I said previously, it's all about moving on as a Producer or finding other influences to make your music better and we're not sitting in the studio thinking I need to make this track, with this particular preset, this particular kick drum because it's got to sound like that. I think that's the wrong thing to be doing and what was annoying me a little bit before is that everyone kind of like aspires that they must have the Darren Styles kick or they must have this or that. It doesn't work and shouldn't work like that. It does work like that within some people but it shouldn't work like that at all; I listen to other types of music as I'm sure other people do and the production sounds the same or it's arranged the same - we should be thinking about expanding ourselves as well and thats what we're doing.
There's negative feedback on all sorts of things but at the end of the day you can be talked about negatively or not be talked about, I'd rather be talked about negatively than not at all, so, every negative piece of commentary is always another bit of publicity. Not everyone knows about the type of music and it takes a long while, a good year and a half to two years to get it through to everybody or to the majority of people and how do we know how many new people are coming in because theyre liking it?
I only spoke to some guys recently in Spain at 'HTID In The Sun' and they were into drum and bass and they've decided to come over and give the hardcore a chance because it's more bass ridden with some of our sets and they seem to be enjoying both. Fair play, listening to both types of music and liking across the board DJ's - that is the only intention really I think we're happy if thats going on."
Breaking boundaries quite literally then in that case! Speaking of tearing down the boundary fences, last we spoke, Futureworld was a newly launched project that had premiered with style and received great praise, how are things with the label now, not just as a label but also as a brand, we understand it's somewhat of a family now?
"With Futureworld it all isn't about one particular style of music and I think you'll find its more so now because Futureworld is going down the route of being a label that just puts out good music. It will be within the criteria of all of what were DJ'ing because that's primarily what my aim is to put out stuff that I'm playing, but it might be drumstep, it might be hardcore, it might be dubcore or whatever you want to call it... it might be... I dont know whatever. It might be an EP release that has a hardcore track on one side or something at 142 or 110 or who knows on the other. The idea behind that is that I just want to put out the stuff that I feel that I like... good music.
For the usual type of hardcore we've obviously still got artists on the label doing stuff and I want to put that on the new label which is called Futurecore and that'll just be sticking to what Futureworld was always doing previously, but, Futureworld now will all be about, you know, it doesn't matter what guys that are on the label, if they come up with something that I feel is a little bit different or good or could break boundaries, I don't know, it will just go on Futureworld and anything they bring in that's what I call the typical hardcore then I'll put it on Futurecore.
Family wise, there's good guys on the label and the guys I've got on the label are only people that (and a lot of people might get carried away with this) - for them its all just about talent. The guys that are on the label are nice guys and they've got an aim and when you talk to them they feel that regardless of sales or promotion or getting DJ work, they're just in it for the music and they will put tunes together all day long and they get excited about stuff and to me that speaks more volumes than someone just sending me a promo CD saying 'Well, this is better than such and such', because to be quite honest if it comes to me like that it's going to get rejected. I'm just not down with that whole bitchy part of it, if the music's good, it gets signed. Its about being a good person as well."
Speaking of picking up raw talent, you have along with long term partner in crime Darren Styles been quite famously breaking new talent these past few months too, tell us more about that?
"Just that we're supporting anyone that makes good music like I said before, it's a case of - if there is good music out there, the only way that the music gets played, well, gets more accepted probably is the right word to say is that it takes people to listen to a particular DJ that they already know or they trust. I know it's difficult for some of the up and comings to get that following and they just have to work at it and it's a continuous amount of good tunes you're putting out. I remember when the Breeze & Styles thing boomed (2001 all the way through to 2007 or whenever we got slightly tired with that sound was), me and Darren just turned up every day in the studio and made music we liked, it was never pointed at anybody, it was never particular, it was just a sound we liked, drums we liked, arrangements we liked, nothing to do with aiming it at anybody and I think that was probably the key thing to making us quite successful with that sound.
At the same particular time we didn't have internet so you didn't really get so much feedback from people, not like it is now but there was a lot of people that did come up to us at raves saying exactly the same as what you hear now which is 'I don't want it to change' but, it's evolution. Things changed and hopefully I'd like to say for the better, it had a massive rise in hardcore again throughout that 2003 - 2007 and its still going now and there,s a lot of people still working in the scene because of that. There were a lot of people going in the studio back in that time and just continuously making good music and that,s where we are today."
As you yourself and your signed artists branch out to other areas of EDM as a result of tireless hard work, does this also mean that there are going to be various Futureworld offshoots of fresh new label imprints to accompany contributions to other genres?
"Well as I said before the Futurecore is going to be sticking to typically what hardcore does, where as Futureworld will go in whatever direction, well not even in a direction, it'll be just more of a case of a good tune comes along and I'll put that out. I'll decide whether that goes in the genre of drum and bass or electro or dubstep or progressive house or what, I don't know. It'll just be a good tune I'll put out which is what big record labels do. I'm not saying we're a big label, I'd like to see it in that same way that it isn't pigeon holed into being hardcore, I mean more so recently I sent promos out of some of the more bassy, electro type ones that we've done and people within the drum and bass scene are actually playing some of them. I don't want them to turn round to us and go 'I'm not going to play that because its a hardcore label', it's about the music and the ones that have took it on board and played it have been ones that like a good tune.
Mampi Swift is supporting some of our stuff, I sent Phantasy stuff and he likes it, if it's a good tune, people will play it and I'm not really bothered about this whole genre categorisation thing, because it's just slightly annoying, I do the same, if I see something that's good and I like it and I think it might work, Ill play it, simple."
What is the overall reaction to your new, creative edge on hardcore music from the crowds, live, at events and has it differentiated as with all your music, does anything you play get a better or worse reaction in different towns or even countries? Do some crowds say like one sound but others another depending on where you are? Where have you been of late experimenting with new sounds, youve got quite the Passport stamp collection just this year alone havent you?
"It's weird; I have got quite a Passport Stamp collection this year. I've done the World Electronic Music Festival in Canada, I did a tour in Australia, I also do the European BCM type Clubland gigs as well - so I get a good idea of what's going on with bits and bobs and what tunes go down. Even like last year at BCM I played the warm up for Tinie Tempah, actually no, I played after Tinie Tempah, which made it slightly more difficult to keep a crowd, but I went from playing our Clublandy type remixes of our tunes to dropping in like, the Skrillex mix of Cinema and I played the DJ Fresh thing as well. You can see the reaction you get from not so much the one particular track, but the change over from different sounds, you get good reactions.
That's pretty much the same with the Dubcore stuff, funnily enough I think with what they're calling the Dubcore stuff actually seems to be more acceptable in America, they've taken to it faster than I'd say the UK crowd, but they're used to having more of that electro dubsteppy type sound through their major artists over there and they're used to that. Hardcore's never been a big thing there so, its growing now, because its a lot more well produced and they get more of the typical sounds that they're probably used to hearing. I did get quite a lot of love for it in Australia as well, although checking my Soundcloud you'll see sets there they jumped between 2005 / 2007 hardcore to the new style and back again and drum and bass so, it's just one of those things, chuck them in the pot and play the music."
Speaking of travelling, HTID's now infamous Summer Gathering Weekender is of course fast approaching, September 24th no less in Newquay, Cornwall; the brainchild of one of the scenes biggest event providers. Give us some insight if you will into HTID for those that have never been to a HTID event and are considering going and also why they should come to a Weekender of all events if it's their first time to one of these?
"It's nice to go to a club night and hear four, five, six hours of music then walk away from it but I think when it comes to the Weekender, it's a total party all the way through. I think with the diversity of music that there can be from the sets now, it's worth taking on board, as you're there for the weekend, you've got an opportunity to open your mind a bit and try new sounds as well as the ones you've come for.
You can go to a club night and get maybe three or four DJ's, but you're not going to get the whole perspective of what goes on within the scene, but you know full well that at the Weekender you're going to get the cross section, right the way across the scene of what everybody's playing and you turn up there and you might be thinking you like hearing Andy Vortex, you've gone for the techno and then hear Squad-E and think, I like that, that's for me and that's exactly what it's all about these days.
It's also about the amount that you've got on board for a Weekender, you can go to some of these other places and the artists and music are just stretched out monotonously but as with hardcore as we know there's so much going on and so many acts going on across the whole Weekend you are spoilt for choice, you're getting, really, good value for money to see and hear a lot of good music, the music you love but also the chance to try something new, stay on site, not worry about getting straight back, there's activities and so on and things you just wouldn't see or get on a normal club night."
Where now, with so much already on your CV as it were and after creative, innovative, thought provoking and controversial releases, sets and compilation albums and DJ sets the World over, whats next for Mark Breeze, what should we be looking out for?
"Don't look out for anything, if theres a good tune out there I'll be playing it or releasing it I'm just interested in music that is from people that are actually... people that are not in hardcore... that send me tunes... they always tend to come up with something a little bit different or they're not influenced by hardcore and I think that's a good thing for us all because I remember back in the day when I first got into dance music a lot of the stuff was coming out of Holland and it was so different and it was like it was just crazy music. All of a sudden you've got stuff coming out in the UK from like Suburban Bass and people like that it was just every tune was different and had a different style, but it all worked and it all fitted in our category and I think that's where we are now.
I might have said it before in a few interviews but I always sometimes feel that with hardcore we are a little bit in this one corridor where we're not allowed in other rooms and I think that's what we need to do more of, get into those rooms. You should be able to go to whatever room you like and enjoy whatever you like, that means everything and every sound and every type of style needs to be under one roof. If you look at Festival line-ups these days, it's pretty much how it is, it'll jump between a Skrillex or Pete Tong or whatever and you've got the new boys on board within EDM like Porter Robinson and people like that and it goes from progressive house to electro to whatever and I'm mature enough to know that I like a bit of all of it, because the variety there is all good and that's what we need more of, variety, diversity of styles and range of choice. It keeps things interesting."
Mark, thank you as always for your time Sir. We'll see you at the Weekender! You can follow Mark Breeze by going to http://www.markbreeze.co.uk where you will find links to all of his portals including Facebook, Twitter and Soundcloud.
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Words: Jon Brown
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Posted - 2012/08/30 : 16:20:28
What a blithering idiot.
Says stop classifying and naming stuff. Says that haters give stuff names and categorize. In a couple of interviews Ive seen Breeze say that people should stop categorizing and enjoy the music. Yet here I read that he puts 'breaking boundaries' (not the term I'd use) on Futureworld, and 'typical' Hardcore on Futurecore. I'd say that's categorizing
He really is a fool.
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Posted - 2012/08/30 : 17:35:12
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Originally posted by Archefluxx:
What a blithering idiot.
Says stop classifying and naming stuff. Says that haters give stuff names and categorize. In a couple of interviews Ive seen Breeze say that people should stop categorizing and enjoy the music. Yet here I read that he puts 'breaking boundaries' (not the term I'd use) on Futureworld, and 'typical' Hardcore on Futurecore. I'd say that's categorizing
He really is a fool.
I think you've missed the point and taken it a bit too literally.. Yes, he's categorizing his releases, but that just makes it easier/better for the buyer, if you don't like his 'dubcore' stuff then stick to futurecore.
I don't see why he gets so much hate.
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Posted - 2012/08/30 : 17:37:04
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Originally posted by Archefluxx:
What a blithering idiot.
yep
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Posted - 2012/08/30 : 17:56:26
Breeze can come across as a bit of a moaning bastard but in fairness he also talks some sense.
The new music he's pushing may not be to everyone's taste but at least it's different. It gives hardcore a new dimension and some of it is pretty good I'd say.
Plus he'l always have my respect for the older stuff he done with styles. That's when I first got properly into hardcore and is my favourite era. Some proper anthems.
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Posted - 2012/08/30 : 18:37:22
People should be allowed to dislike stuff without being dismissed as 'haters' or stuck in the past. We've had this argument/discussion a million times so i'm not getting into it again.
I don't like a lot of the new 'dubcore' any more than i'd like drum & bass with a random happy riff slapped in the middle. Mixing things up is great, most of the new stuff just isn't for me. I listen to most genres of music - anybody telling me i should be more open minded can kiss my arse.
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Posted - 2012/08/30 : 20:00:21
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Originally posted by djDMS:
People should be allowed to dislike stuff without being dismissed as 'haters' or stuck in the past. We've had this argument/discussion a million times so i'm not getting into it again.
I agree, this was always the accusations leveled at USH. Personally I think it's a good interview, and as someone who has in the main thought the last 6-7 years of trancy hardcore has been embarressing gash I welcome the new dirty sounds. It's made me interested in the genre again. All djs / producers will bang on about not categrizing music, but in reality, it's has to be catergrized to market it and sell it. And from a consumer point of view it makes it easy to find the type of tune you want.
I had a few run ins with Breeze on DSI back when the first clubland albums came out, and I still maintain, they are utter shite, but hats to Breeze with the current stuff he's doing. It's not particularly groundbreaking, but it makes want to dance and doesn't sound like it's made for 14 year old girls. Which for someone of my age who doesn't give a **** about being someones angel, is bloody great.
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Posted - 2012/08/31 : 01:44:34
I never like reading these drawn-out interviews as the small font hurts my eyes lol.
It was pretty damn obvious from CXH6 & 7 that Breeze was becoming sick of the commercialized hardcore sounds of those times. His cds just kept getting worse and worse imo. Although I'm not that big of a fan of his CD on CXH8 either, I do have to give him props for taking his own direction and not sounding like all he's doing is producing and mixing recycled Darren Styles material. CXH series is definitely looking to sound more diverse than the previous volumes in the series.
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Posted - 2012/08/31 : 04:29:13
picture your self on a boat, on a river...
except your anchored to one spot.
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Jon-Brown
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Posted - 2012/08/31 : 11:10:00
Whilst I can't speak for Breeze and wouldn't try to, I do appreciate the feedback on the interview itself on the whole, so thank you :)
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Posted - 2012/09/01 : 11:20:37
So 'Dubcore' is the new sound. Does that mean 'Trancecore' is now out of fashion?
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Posted - 2012/09/01 : 14:33:32
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So 'Dubcore' is the new sound. Does that mean 'Trancecore' is now out of fashion?
So it's time for you to like "Trancecore" and hate "dubcore"? :) Welcome to the club.
So in Breeze's eyes, people who hated Happy Hardcore made the name? Great news, All big genre's where made by HATERS
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Posted - 2012/09/02 : 19:41:48
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Originally posted by djDMS:
People should be allowed to dislike stuff without being dismissed as 'haters' or stuck in the past. We've had this argument/discussion a million times so i'm not getting into it again.
I don't like a lot of the new 'dubcore' any more than i'd like drum & bass with a random happy riff slapped in the middle. Mixing things up is great, most of the new stuff just isn't for me. I listen to most genres of music - anybody telling me i should be more open minded can kiss my arse.
yeah im not a hater, I just don't like it. Simple.
I can totally understand that he needed this new sound to reinforce his passion. I just don't like being to referred to as narrow minded. Me & my brother have just spent the past few nights in Dublin mostly spent in underground Jazz bars. Narrow minded is something I would never class myself as.
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