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latininxtc
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 Posted - 2012/09/11 : 18:47:05
Oh god I knew this thread was gonna turn into the failed zonkers album discussion again.
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Archefluxx
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Posted - 2012/09/11 : 18:48:59
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
album
Strictly speaking it wasn't an album :P
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Rodz90
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Posted - 2012/09/12 : 22:39:10
This actually really annoys me, mainly because I actually have a few of these tracks that he hasn't released.
Personally I don't find any enjoyment out of some of these tracks where others might, and it really gets to me that those people who have been waiting for these tracks for a while and will pay good money to have the full versions will never get that chance because some music producer can't keep his toys in a pram over file-sharing.
I think if it gets to the state where Sharkey no longer does any type of music at all, I may upload these to the people who want them and rightly deserve them for being a fan of his music and supporting him through his time as a DJ. That's what any good DJ with many followers would do; reward there fans.
Sharkey if your reading this, grow up, the music industry changes and just because you couldn't harvest it for cash any-more it doesn't mean that your fans should go without material they've been waiting for. If you know what's right you'll release your music for the passion of your fans support, not for a stack of cash in your back pocket.
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2012/09/12 : 22:57:27
meh, what would be the point though - any DJ who then uses them would instantly be dragged backwards through a bush for filesharing his songs...
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Rodz90
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Posted - 2012/09/12 : 23:12:50
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meh, what would be the point though - any DJ who then uses them would instantly be dragged backwards through a bush for filesharing his songs...
I'm pretty sure Sharkey wouldn't be dragging people through bushes for file-sharing, most likely other activities...
Its just the point that Sharkey is holding his music back for no valid reason other then he can't make cash off it; which in my mind is ********. Things like hardcore music are relatively niche in the big scheme of things, therefore in my mind production and distribution of said tracks should be done for the love and passion. Sharkey has had his shot at trying to make money from this music and ultimately failed. With this in mind he should just give it away to the people that actually want it.
I know its his material and all (well perhaps half the samples aren't but lets not go into that one!) but he really should develop some maturity and do the right thing.
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Posted - 2012/09/12 : 23:50:22
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Originally posted by Triquatra:
meh, what would be the point though - any DJ who then uses them would instantly be dragged backwards through a bush for filesharing his songs...
I'm pretty sure Sharkey wouldn't be dragging people through bushes for file-sharing, most likely other activities...
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Ken Masters
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Posted - 2012/09/13 : 05:58:12
Although I agree, it would be great for these tracks to see the light of day, id hardly say Sharkey was a money grabber. I think you've missed the point.
Kevin Energy & him were happy to make just enough to get by & fund the labels but that didn't seem to be the case.
...& to say he's failed at making money from the scene is a bit mad. I don't think your a troll, just a little misguided. We can forgive you this once.
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Samination
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Posted - 2012/09/13 : 07:35:30
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Although I agree, it would be great for these tracks to see the light of day, id hardly say Sharkey was a money grabber. I think you've missed the point.
Kevin Energy & him were happy to make just enough to get by & fund the labels but that didn't seem to be the case.
...& to say he's failed at making money from the scene is a bit mad. I don't think your a troll, just a little misguided. We can forgive you this once.
I've never understood the rage. If he never was a money grabber, why would he cry about piracy at all?
I know that Hardcore Energy 2 was uploaded before street date, and Sharkey hit the fan just a week or 2 after. But in the end, did they never recover any/enough money? I bought the album even when I knew I could get it for free. I also pay shitload more for Japanese Hardcore albums (they are 15 UK Pounds for unlicensed material afterall) when I know they get fileshared the shit out of it.
I'm just going to keep on rambling here but I'm going to say things I've always said before (they might be right or wrong, or worse), but since I got into hardcore throu filesharing (and I'm pretty sure I've paid my amends for it! just get in contact with imo, trackitdown and juno and ask them how much I've spent), I have a little different viewpoint;
The People who probably pirated it would've never bought it anyways. I don't think the sales would've changed mch anyways from internet/digital sales/filesharing not existing (they would still not buy it) or with the before mentioned existed (they would STILL not buy it) - This is a bad arguement for sure. But these twats exists, and even I hate them.
People like Thumpa should not complain when people fileshare his album. He makes them into a limited run, and there will always be people who missed the chance (or the people who wouldn't buy it anyways). I presume he knows this, and that's why he doesn't send any CDs out until atleast 60-75% of the CD's are pre-ordered (or blaming it on pressing problems) - I am so getting a whooping for this one on HU :P
and going offtopic
silver fix it so we can use special signs ffs. not even the Pound sign or dollar sign works. >_<
latin: until al storm (and later sharkey) moaned, I thought the "album" was going to be a successful idea.
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Rodz90
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Posted - 2012/09/13 : 09:40:16
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Originally posted by Fire Shadow:
Although I agree, it would be great for these tracks to see the light of day, id hardly say Sharkey was a money grabber. I think you've missed the point.
Kevin Energy & him were happy to make just enough to get by & fund the labels but that didn't seem to be the case.
...& to say he's failed at making money from the scene is a bit mad. I don't think your a troll, just a little misguided. We can forgive you this once.
Yeah I'm not a troll, I've just read over these forums a fair amount without a user account and finally decided to actually grab one and post on this issue.
Post 2010, I would say he did fail to make money, this is the time most artists like Sharkey or Kev energy were making profit just from DJ bookings, that comment is out of mere speculation however and the only kind of backing I have to that is Kev Energy stating that he was using money from DJing to put it back into Nu Energy, no actual statistics which is unfortunate. May have a search and see if there are any available as it would be quite interesting to actually see what the artists were in it for.
Perhaps you can give some kind of evidence to the contrary, as ideally I would actually like to think they were in it to just fund the labels and get by.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2012/09/13 : 10:13:25
Well ultimately it's his music and he can do what he wants with it. He doesn't owe it to anyone. If he wants to make money from it that's his right. In what way is trying to make a living 'money grabbing', especially when it's his right to do so even if he was. Some perspective is needed.
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People like Thumpa should not complain when people fileshare his album. He makes them into a limited run, and there will always be people who missed the chance (or the people who wouldn't buy it anyways). I presume he knows this, and that's why he doesn't send any CDs out until atleast 60-75% of the CD's are pre-ordered (or blaming it on pressing problems) - I am so getting a whooping for this one on HU :P
The topic filesharing is so old now, but there are 2 different groups of people, those that think it's ok under certain circumstances and those that don't. An artists not making their material available to you does not make it ok for you then steal it. I don't get why peoples morals change just because it happens on the internet and they can't (usually) be caught. You don't see something in a shop that you like but can't afford, decide to then steal it and somehow try to say that it's ok because the shop made it too expensive for you do you? Or something like that. If you don't like that you can't buy the album because it was limited then that is not Thumpa's fault. That is the entire point of it being limited. And it's his choice to make it limited. He doesn't owe you the CD and you don't have a right to have it.
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Its just the point that Sharkey is holding his music back for no valid reason other then he can't make cash off it; which in my mind is ********. Things like hardcore music are relatively niche in the big scheme of things, therefore in my mind production and distribution of said tracks should be done for the love and passion.
He doesn't need a valid reason because it's his music. You don't have to like it but that's not his problem.
And by the way I'm not going out of my way to disagree with you, I'm just offering a different perspective.
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Samination
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Posted - 2012/09/13 : 10:27:42
So, what kind of accomplishment would you feel if you made a tune, played it a few times and then threw it in the can? That's a patent-troll arguement.
No need for it? make it public property!
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2012/09/13 : 10:36:47
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Originally posted by Samination:
So, what kind of accomplishment would you feel if you made a tune, played it a few times and then threw it in the can? That's a patent-troll arguement.
No need for it? make it public property!
It would be my song and for me to do whatever i want with. It would make no difference whether people want it or not. I'm not saying that he is right or wrong in what he is doing. I am saying that it makes no difference what i or you think because it's his choice and his right. If he really did just go and bin the DAT tapes or whatever for no good reason then that is his choice. You might not like it and think it's a waste but that makes no difference.
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Posted - 2012/09/13 : 10:40:14
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Originally posted by Samination:
So, what kind of accomplishment would you feel if you made a tune, played it a few times and then threw it in the can? That's a patent-troll arguement.
No need for it? make it public property!
this sounds like the basis of my home "studio"
making music that only I and my wife will ever listen to, some people make art solely as an extension of oneself, not for the enjoyment of others :P
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Samination
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Posted - 2012/09/13 : 10:51:33
Maybe. But it's still aggrivating that he flashes around with the tracks and says "nu-uh, you can't have it as your mates pirated hardcore energy 2". Being an artist is a job. And the last time I checked, as long as you're not a Boss, the job isn't there for you. You're the for the job. You are working for someone else.
The (WHOLE) music industry created the mindset of people. They've always done it, since the beginning of the grammophone player. They hated it, and then they loved it. The casettes, the CD and lately, the MP3 are no different. The only difference is the scale of it. To be honest, if the music industry was behind the technology instead of adapting to it, people might not have been pirating as much as they are today.
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Posted - 2012/09/13 : 10:53:40
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Originally posted by Triquatra:
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Originally posted by Samination:
So, what kind of accomplishment would you feel if you made a tune, played it a few times and then threw it in the can? That's a patent-troll arguement.
No need for it? make it public property!
this sounds like the basis of my home "studio"
making music that only I and my wife will ever listen to, some people make art solely as an extension of oneself, not for the enjoyment of others :P
That's like going to a pub and spend money. That's fine maybe. It's your money it's about, but I presume most people doesn't feel happy until it's being showed to other people (unless it's so crap you rather keep it for yourself :P)
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