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Archefluxx
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 Posted - 2012/11/12 : 14:46:03
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Originally posted by DJ-Hutchy:
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Originally posted by rafferty:
I actually really like this track. I really do not understand what all the fuss is about. Like it is a modern production on an older tune. Big deal! What would you rather klubfiller make it sound full of trance strings making it sound identical to the original. Also there is whole new generation of ravers that love the new sounds in hardcore. Let them enjoy it indead of being so narrow minded and jaded. I can also tell you electro will never disappear from hardcore. It is now a permanent subgenre in the hardcore scene like freeform etc.
As for all the trance in hardcore some of you only listen to, like the raverbaby 2000s sound, it was never original or the real sound of hardcore. Is totally influenced from the trance scene. The real hardcore is the stuff slipmatt, seduction, ramos, supreme used to play in the 90s. Probably hardcore taking on influences from guys like avicii, swedish house mafia, tiesto who all play the new trouse sound is the way hardcore will go. Gammer seems to play it as well as recon. Hardcore always has and always will use production techniques from other genres. Also I would love to see some of the haters doing their own remix on the tune. Maybe we could all judge who does it better. I will put my money on klubfiller before you even make a start.
Finally someone who has moved with the times of Hardcore & ain't stuck in the past or hating the new stuff because it doesn't sound like a Raver baby 2002 tune or this tune sucks because it aint got a 1997 kick drum. Hardcore moves with the times FACT, dont hate if you don't move with it, just enjoy everything that Hardcore gave you when you loved it ;)
If people fall out of love with the music because it changes, you cant expect everyone to move with the times. I find this a bit of a weird mentality. Personally it makes me wonder if the whole scene has moved with the times, or if there are loads of new fans enjoying it. How can people enjoy a melodic and party-style genre for so long and then quite quickly enjoy a genre now largely not melodic and more dubstep and minimalist based.
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Samination
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Posted - 2012/11/12 : 15:02:54
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Originally posted by Archefluxx:
If people fall out of love with the music because it changes, you cant expect everyone to move with the times. I find this a bit of a weird mentality. Personally it makes me wonder if the whole scene has moved with the times, or if there are loads of new fans enjoying it. How can people enjoy a melodic and party-style genre for so long and then quite quickly enjoy a genre now largely not melodic and more dubstep and minimalist based.
I wouldn't, that's for sure. That's why I am enjoying heavy metal more and more. They haven't changed much since the 80's are are still melodic and fast.
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Warnman
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Posted - 2012/11/12 : 20:33:41
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Originally posted by DJ-Hutchy:
Finally someone who has moved with the times of Hardcore & ain't stuck in the past or hating the new stuff because it doesn't sound like a Raver baby 2002 tune or this tune sucks because it aint got a 1997 kick drum. Hardcore moves with the times FACT, dont hate if you don't move with it, just enjoy everything that Hardcore gave you when you loved it ;)
I certainly don't want to attack your taste of music, but I feel the need to underline my opinion about these new influences. I'll glady except new influences (although I still think Hardcore should go it's own way , which to my opinon is grabbing up all the best from different genres and mixing it together to a rave madness), but neither Minimal, Dubstep or Electro ever will be able to do this, because all of them sound way to opposite compared to Hardcore. It doesn't matter, if I call it boring/disappointing and you call it awesome/interesting.
I know all of you getting tired of my repeatings, but the best way to explain my feeling about this new way of Hardcore is to say: if this is the way how people want Rave Music to sound alike, they prefer coitus interruptus instead of multiple orgasms.
It's simply like producing a country track with electronic guitars and tell the people that's how modern Heavy Metal should sounds or installing an Ambient Trance melody after a Gabba build up and saying that's modern Gabba. It never will be original even if the people repeat themselves hundreds of times.
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Originally posted by Samination:
i was anti-electro/dubstep until they actually dropped the minimalistic drops. then I started to enjoy them alittle more. but still not enough to buy much of it.
To underline my stage of musically tolerance, I share this opinion and even think that some of the Dubstep drops before a build up sound OK, but I dislike exchanging uplifting raveable melodies with shreddered shit (and this is what floods and drowns Hardcore and other Rave Music at the moment). And of course there must be a reason why no one dances to Dubstep besides doing the stupid Robot. To my opinion this is not what rave was meant to be: Freak out!
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_Jay_
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Posted - 2012/11/12 : 20:50:02
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but I dislike exchanging uplifting raveable melodies with shreddered shit
Simply, and beautifully put. Perfect.
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rafferty
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Posted - 2012/11/15 : 11:29:30
Jay why do I get the feeling you and a few others on here would like the entire hardcore scene to sound like sped up remixes of Dj Sammys Heaven and Boys of summer:) sure it was a good era for the scene but I just think hardcore needs to evolve and branch out. Which is what it is doing. If Uk Hardcore did not start changing like it has, it would have died out for sure. It happened in 2000 before it took on trance influences. Also there seems to be a major misconception about electro not being uplifting. There are countless producers like Hook n Sling, Avicii, Swedish House Mafia that make great uplifing Electro which is very ravey. You just have to look at Darren Styles sound cloud and he follows alot of these producers as influences in his own music. To be honest if all Hardcore still sounded like it did in 2007 I would have stopped listening to it along with alot of other people I know. Hardcore needs to be versatile in order for it to survive and people constantly knocking some of the scenes best producers for being willing to try something different and modern but not to their liking is not doing alot of good to an already small niche rave scene.
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The Dopeman
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Posted - 2012/11/15 : 12:25:41
hardcore needs to go back to how it was in the early days and what i mean by that is it needs to sound unique and not copy ANY style and most importantly it has to be hard the crap that we hear these days IS NOT HARD and anyone who says it is are delusional imo sure there are some decent tunes but the kicks are far too weak for me thats why i have started listening to older stuff and dutch hardcore
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Breakbeat Jon
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Posted - 2012/11/15 : 12:46:26
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Originally posted by The Dopeman:
hardcore needs to go back to how it was in the early days and what i mean by that is it needs to sound unique and not copy ANY style and most importantly it has to be hard the crap that we hear these days IS NOT HARD and anyone who says it is are delusional imo sure there are some decent tunes but the kicks are far too weak for me thats why i have started listening to older stuff and dutch hardcore
It didn't really have hard kicks in the early days. Hardcore has always been influenced by other styles, it started off as mish mash of hip hop, house, techno and reggae/dub. All these welded together to make it unique.
I actually find the majority of the mid 90s gabber and bouncy techno more minimal than the stuff people call minimal now. All they were was a distorted kick, a hoover, generic hip hop sample and that was it.
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_Jay_
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Posted - 2012/11/15 : 16:13:29
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Originally posted by rafferty:
Jay why do I get the feeling you and a few others on here would like the entire hardcore scene to sound like sped up remixes of Dj Sammys Heaven and Boys of summer:)
Ahh how good does that sound?!
All joking aside mate, I can see why you (and others) get irritated with constant bitching about these newer elements of Hardcore (although I didn't think I personally did it that much, but maybe I do?). I do genuinely like a lot of the new components. Some of the crystal clear, euphoric and melodic sounds are magnificent. I mean, truly sensational. The bits that I don't like, however, are Dubstep-like drops, and drops with these energy-less and stuttering sort of kicks (sorry, I don't know anything about production, and don't really have a production vocabulary).
That's kind of a deal-breaker for me, as far as an individual track goes. I'm not going to grow to like that tune with time.
I follow producers/buy tracks by producers that have a more traditional make-up. There's still a SHED load of the stuff out there, and some of it is excellent. I therefore support these kinds of artists, and go to raves where I know this kind of Hardcore is going to be played. I largely sample, but then ignore tracks that I don't like. I don't spend my days writing cnuty little comments on SoundCloud or anything like that.
Plenty of room for all these various styles to co-exist.
A general side-note: I don't really buy in to all of this what's best for 'the scene' business, and how 'the scene' needs to move forward - with some kind of emphasis that each Hardcore-lover out there has a divine responsibility to lubricate the smooth, forward movement of 'the scene'. It's not my job to ensure 'the scene' carries on thriving. I got into Hardcore music (in roughly 2002) because I loved how it sounded. Now that things are starting to change, is the onus on me to somehow force myself to adjust my taste, or lie about what I actually like - in order for 'the scene' to perpetuate? If 'the scene' dies out because there are simply not enough people that enjoy the kind of sound that I do, in order to support it - then sadly, so be it. An impending "it's either this new style or nothing at all" situation still can't encourage my brain to falsely like something I don't.
I've gone massively over the top in that last paragraph in terms of the actual, current state of Hardcore. It's nowhere near as bad as that, or to that extreme. As I said before, there's a massive amount of stuff out there that I do like - in the more traditional Hardcore style. I support that, I don't begrudge anyone that likes the newer sound - and I hope the two can co-exist without the one eradicating the other - and we can all rave happily ever after.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2012/11/15 : 16:20:48
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(although I didn't think I personally did it that much, but maybe I do?).
I've never heard you complain about it personally. Or I've never interpreted it that way anyway. All i see is you big up new Hardcore.
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Archefluxx
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Posted - 2012/11/15 : 18:33:34
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
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Originally posted by rafferty:
Jay why do I get the feeling you and a few others on here would like the entire hardcore scene to sound like sped up remixes of Dj Sammys Heaven and Boys of summer:)
Ahh how good does that sound?!
Niggaz need to check out Andy Dee's remix of Sammy - Sunlight
Thats Hardcore.
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djDMS
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Posted - 2012/11/15 : 18:43:35
Please don't get me started.
The first sentence (not that he writes in sentences) of Dopeman's last post was what i've said more than enough times. Influences are fine, wholesale copied and sped up 'minimal' tunes...NO!
Electro sounds ok in Hardcore because it is still riff based.
Dubstep/drumstep can sound ok in hardcore (as D&B and breakbeats have for many years) because it adds a little bit of anticipation before the big stuff comes in.
Drops that remove ALL the energy from tunes that are designed to be uplifting and 'ravey' do NOT work in music this fast.
Moving with the times is fine, occasionally a real gem emerges because somebody took a chance and tried something different. Being lazy and using NO IMAGINATION WHATSOEVER does not take talent, skill or anything other than the piss!
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_Jay_
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Posted - 2012/11/15 : 18:47:07
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Originally posted by Archefluxx:
Niggaz need to check out Andy Dee's remix of Sammy - Sunlight
Thats Hardcore.
Was listening to it just this morning funnily enough. :-)
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Originally posted by djDMS:
p.s.
Dog shit pizza.
Okay, so maybe I did have a whinge about it once!
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2012/11/15 : 18:56:02
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Originally posted by Archefluxx:
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
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Originally posted by rafferty:
Jay why do I get the feeling you and a few others on here would like the entire hardcore scene to sound like sped up remixes of Dj Sammys Heaven and Boys of summer:)
Ahh how good does that sound?!
Niggaz need to check out Andy Dee's remix of Sammy - Sunlight
Thats Hardcore.
OMG stop being racist. I'm going to tell the police that you said something bad on the internet.
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Archefluxx
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Posted - 2012/11/15 : 19:54:58
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Originally posted by Archefluxx:
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
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Originally posted by rafferty:
Jay why do I get the feeling you and a few others on here would like the entire hardcore scene to sound like sped up remixes of Dj Sammys Heaven and Boys of summer:)
Ahh how good does that sound?!
Niggaz need to check out Andy Dee's remix of Sammy - Sunlight
Thats Hardcore.
OMG stop being racist. I'm going to tell the police that you said something bad on the internet.
Ermergerd!
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Posted - 2012/11/16 : 01:16:33
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Originally posted by Archefluxx:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Originally posted by Archefluxx:
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
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Originally posted by rafferty:
Jay why do I get the feeling you and a few others on here would like the entire hardcore scene to sound like sped up remixes of Dj Sammys Heaven and Boys of summer:)
Ahh how good does that sound?!
Niggaz need to check out Andy Dee's remix of Sammy - Sunlight
Thats Hardcore.
OMG stop being racist. I'm going to tell the police that you said something bad on the internet.
Ermergerd!
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