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_Jay_
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 Posted - 2013/02/12 : 20:12:47
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Originally posted by carldj90:
Your right, shame on the producers for changing their direction in music! Clubland sucks! and Breeze should produce HARDCORE! Not what he wants!
That's not what I'm saying at all dude. Artists are entitled to produce whatever they want. And as much as I'd like Breeze to go back to producing powerful vocal tracks with a big comforting, fleshy 4x4 kick, I've got no right to demand that he does so. But what people do have the right to do is come on message boards like this and express how they feel about his change in direction - and not be told that they are being disrespectful, or be told to shut up or fcuk off out of Hardcore.
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Posted - 2013/02/12 : 20:16:20
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carldj90
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Posted - 2013/02/12 : 20:18:13
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Originally posted by Vladel:
I've not heard one bit of hardcore in all of that
I suggest you get your ears checked, but that's just my opinion
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Originally posted by MaidenV:
Honestly Breeze is actually doing something intelligent for once by not playing hardcore. He has bad taste in it anyway.
I'd rather listen to drumstep that's trying to sound like drumstep than hardcore that's trying to sound like what Breeze played on CXHC 8.
And as for "OH DEAREST ME, IT SAYS HARDCORE ON THE TITLE BUT SOME OF IT ISN'T ACTUALLY 4x4 HARDCORE". Yeah CD 3 on HU 5 was like 80% breakbeat. This is such a petty issue and I don't particularly feel bad for anyone who wants to just hear hardcore and no other genres ever.
And as for the people who somehow bought it in the store without listening to the previews, based on just seeing "hardcore" on the cover....well too bad, maybe they should have.
THANK YOU! This is what I've been trying to say. There would be less arguments on here if people would stop saying "dubstep" and "breeze looks like a testicle" or "Hardcore shouldn't be in the name Clubland" and "i think music is complete shit man it sounds like shit." How hard is it to now offended someone by actually posting like a mature adult? (Not saying I'm any better. Although it would help the fighting IMHO.)
What Jay just posted would actually start an interesting convo about the music. He didn't bash the Clubland name or the music.
I'd love to hear some nice 4x4 from Breeze. I personally think he should produce that on the side while he does what he is doing now. Kinda like how Gammer is doing it.
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Posted - 2013/02/12 : 20:36:15
I'm not arguing either of those things jay, I think everyone is well entitled to their opinion. I just think they should do it in a respectful way, because the abuse is just making them listen even less.
No need to leave the scene, or shut up. Just use some common decency.
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Posted - 2013/02/12 : 20:37:07
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Originally posted by carldj90:
Right, go ahead and twist my words Hellfury. It's nice you can be a completely ass and not actually understand what I was obviously saying. /USH
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I'm sorry most of you can't enjoy Hardcore anymore. But I'm going to be on this side of Hardcore and enjoy myself while half you cry and complain because the music "isn't how it used to be."
Didnt twisted words imo. since your comment before really sound like DnB/Dubstep influenced Hardcore represents - out of the blue - the whole scene right now and I don't enjoy it because Hardcore "isnt how it used to be". It's like excluding 90% of the rest... don't drop bombs like this.
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Originally posted by carldj90:
Your right, shame on the producers for changing their direction in music! Clubland sucks! and Breeze should produce HARDCORE! Not what he wants! [...]
That's not what i think at all and fantasize things between someones lines isnt really pro
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Originally posted by carldj90:
Woops I should note I do respect your opinion when you have something negative to say, but seriously saying the name shouldn't be Clubland X-Treme Hardcore because of one mix? The only reason I actually said anything in the first place is because people are going OH ITS DUBSTEP ON THE CD OMG when its drum & bass and drumstep if the music was 140 BPM then I could see an argument!
What i said earlier was:
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I'm not bitching around about mixing different styles in one set since I do it myself but what's the deal to deliever one whole CD with d&b and dubstep? If he prefers to do these genres then he shouldnt appear on an hardcore album, it's simple as that. If like 40% and above of all tunes are not hardcore, why releasing it on CXH?
So it's still false advertising.
He likes D&B/Dubstep? fine, no problem with that (I do listen to some of these myself), just don't appear on a Hardcore album. Or change compilation name. Only because it's 170BPM doesnt mean it's Hardcore.
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Vladel
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Posted - 2013/02/12 : 21:45:36
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Your right, shame on the producers for changing their direction in music! Clubland sucks! and Breeze should produce HARDCORE! Not what he wants!
Breeze can produce whatever he wants! BUT he shouldn't be calling it hardcore and it shouldn't be on a HARDCORE album. What is so hard to understand here that if folk wanted to buy a drumstep etc album that's what they would buy.
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carldj90
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Posted - 2013/02/12 : 22:00:26
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Originally posted by Vladel:
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Originally posted by carldj90:
Your right, shame on the producers for changing their direction in music! Clubland sucks! and Breeze should produce HARDCORE! Not what he wants!
Breeze can produce whatever he wants! BUT he shouldn't be calling it hardcore and it shouldn't be on a HARDCORE album. What is so hard to understand here that if folk wanted to buy a drumstep etc album that's what they would buy.
Okay, there you go saying what should and shouldn't be on the CD. As if you owned the series. Instead of stating he's a "giant testicle" you could have said I'm not buying the Clubland CD because it has a selection of music that I do not enjoy. I would recommend the Hardcore Underground, Rebuild Music CDs and a few select TrackItDown releases. :)
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Samination
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Posted - 2013/02/12 : 22:06:53
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Originally posted by carldj90:
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Originally posted by Vladel:
I've not heard one bit of hardcore in all of that
I suggest you get your ears checked, but that's just my opinion
My opinion is that of Vladel. Except the Satan and Testicle part
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Originally posted by carldj90:
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Originally posted by MaidenV:
Honestly Breeze is actually doing something intelligent for once by not playing hardcore. He has bad taste in it anyway.
I'd rather listen to drumstep that's trying to sound like drumstep than hardcore that's trying to sound like what Breeze played on CXHC 8.
And as for "OH DEAREST ME, IT SAYS HARDCORE ON THE TITLE BUT SOME OF IT ISN'T ACTUALLY 4x4 HARDCORE". Yeah CD 3 on HU 5 was like 80% breakbeat. This is such a petty issue and I don't particularly feel bad for anyone who wants to just hear hardcore and no other genres ever.
And as for the people who somehow bought it in the store without listening to the previews, based on just seeing "hardcore" on the cover....well too bad, maybe they should have.
THANK YOU! This is what I've been trying to say. There would be less arguments on here if people would stop saying "dubstep" and "breeze looks like a testicle" or "Hardcore shouldn't be in the name Clubland" and "i think music is complete shit man it sounds like shit." How hard is it to now offended someone by actually posting like a mature adult? (Not saying I'm any better. Although it would help the fighting IMHO.)
What Jay just posted would actually start an interesting convo about the music. He didn't bash the Clubland name or the music.
I'd love to hear some nice 4x4 from Breeze. I personally think he should produce that on the side while he does what he is doing now. Kinda like how Gammer is doing it.
Are you agreeing on that Breeze has poor taste in "normal" hardcore?
Seriously. The only reason I dislike Breeze at the moment is something other people already pointed out. He said that "electro" (and I presume that "dubcore" should be added to this 'quote') is the new sound, get with the program or get out". Is that something you should say to your fans, or Hardcore listeners in general?The Hardcore scene is big enough that One guy, or One popular genre will tell it How it should sound like.
I liked Hardcore that had a Trance-y sound, but when Bonkers 11 came out I basicly puked. I really disliked that. But did I leave to listen to something else? Fcuk no. I kept on buying the stuff I liked, since it was STILL being released. No need to quit a scene that has enough variety.
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carldj90
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Posted - 2013/02/12 : 22:17:15
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by carldj90:
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Originally posted by Vladel:
I've not heard one bit of hardcore in all of that
I suggest you get your ears checked, but that's just my opinion
My opinion is that of Vladel. Except the Satan and Testicle part
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Originally posted by carldj90:
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Originally posted by MaidenV:
Honestly Breeze is actually doing something intelligent for once by not playing hardcore. He has bad taste in it anyway.
I'd rather listen to drumstep that's trying to sound like drumstep than hardcore that's trying to sound like what Breeze played on CXHC 8.
And as for "OH DEAREST ME, IT SAYS HARDCORE ON THE TITLE BUT SOME OF IT ISN'T ACTUALLY 4x4 HARDCORE". Yeah CD 3 on HU 5 was like 80% breakbeat. This is such a petty issue and I don't particularly feel bad for anyone who wants to just hear hardcore and no other genres ever.
And as for the people who somehow bought it in the store without listening to the previews, based on just seeing "hardcore" on the cover....well too bad, maybe they should have.
THANK YOU! This is what I've been trying to say. There would be less arguments on here if people would stop saying "dubstep" and "breeze looks like a testicle" or "Hardcore shouldn't be in the name Clubland" and "i think music is complete shit man it sounds like shit." How hard is it to now offended someone by actually posting like a mature adult? (Not saying I'm any better. Although it would help the fighting IMHO.)
What Jay just posted would actually start an interesting convo about the music. He didn't bash the Clubland name or the music.
I'd love to hear some nice 4x4 from Breeze. I personally think he should produce that on the side while he does what he is doing now. Kinda like how Gammer is doing it.
Are you agreeing on that Breeze has poor taste in "normal" hardcore?
Thank you for pointing out an error Sam and Hellfury. I did not intentionally try to single out a specific group of people seeing as I still play early UK Hardcore and new UK Hardcore with Drum & Bass and Drumstep. In fact my productions are hugely inspired by early Scott Brown Hardcore. So, from my stand point I like early Happy Hardcore, early/mid UK Hardcore and now 2010+ Hardcore. I also like Drum & Bass and Drumstep, but I do not like Dubstep, Electro or anything under 170 BPM.
Also, Hellfury, Breeze is still associated with Hardcore. Why would he want to create a new CD just for his drum & bass/drumstep. Do you even think Universal (AATW) would allow him to do that? Seems like a waste of money.
And that is a no Samination I did not mean to quote that part. I did not scroll up to edit the quote when I posted that.
Ugh 19 seconds into his clip I hear Hardcore 4x4. :/ again at 1:02.
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DJ Hellfury
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Posted - 2013/02/13 : 00:22:24
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Originally posted by carldj90:
Also, Hellfury, Breeze is still associated with Hardcore. Why would he want to create a new CD just for his drum & bass/drumstep. Do you even think Universal (AATW) would allow him to do that? Seems like a waste of money.
There are 2 options imo., both inconvenient for Breeze
1) He actually mixed an tiny amount of hardcore with other, already mentioned genres just to show how "awesome" he is at mixing total different styles and, furthermore, AATW allowed it because the other mixes do the job for him. "It's still an Hardcore compilation overall; 3 out of 4 CDs are, so no big deal"
2) Breeze failed hard when he made this preview and trolled us (subconsciously?).
He used actual Hardcore in huge amounts and mixed it with DnB / Dubstep breakdowns/drops to bring variety in this compilation to a) introduce even more popular genres for regular hardcore fans and b) to show how good he is at mixing. But instead of showing large amounts of decent Hardcore he said to himself "why not dropping all these tiny bits where I mixed other genres altogether".
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warped_candykid
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Posted - 2013/02/13 : 00:28:45
I'm with Vladel on this one. It's not Hardcore...so it shouldn't be on a cd project geared towards Hardcore music. I really don't get how hard that is to understand. As of matter of fact, I do want my lyrics about dreams, wishes, and love back in my Hardcore music, thank you very much. I'm so tired of the bland emotional crap that's been showered over the music in the past couple of years. Where's the cheese? Where's the happy?
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carldj90
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Posted - 2013/02/13 : 01:10:37
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Originally posted by DJ Hellfury:
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Originally posted by carldj90:
Also, Hellfury, Breeze is still associated with Hardcore. Why would he want to create a new CD just for his drum & bass/drumstep. Do you even think Universal (AATW) would allow him to do that? Seems like a waste of money.
There are 2 options imo., both inconvenient for Breeze
1) He actually mixed an tiny amount of hardcore with other, already mentioned genres just to show how "awesome" he is at mixing total different styles and, furthermore, AATW allowed it because the other mixes do the job for him. "It's still an Hardcore compilation overall; 3 out of 4 CDs are, so no big deal"
2) Breeze failed hard when he made this preview and trolled us (subconsciously?).
He used actual Hardcore in huge amounts and mixed it with DnB / Dubstep breakdowns/drops to bring variety in this compilation to a) introduce even more popular genres for regular hardcore fans and b) to show how good he is at mixing. But instead of showing large amounts of decent Hardcore he said to himself "why not dropping all these tiny bits where I mixed other genres altogether".
My point was AATW most likely doesn't know the difference between the genres. Thus the point of creating a whole new compilation CD for Breeze would be a waste of money. If Breeze & Skrillex both came to AATW wanting to work on the same CD, that might be a good investment, because Skrillex is bound to make you money.
I think he's mixing this music because he likes it. You really think he's just playing all this to show off? Why do you have to assume things about Breeze when there a huge fat chance he is enjoying what he is doing. Maybe he's not showing off "decent hardcore" because he hasn't been producing as much hardcore lately? Once you become a known hardcore DJ and you either want to play other genres or change styles of music you better watch out you will make people mad with how you want to do YOUR career! BTW I think the preview is just the actual mix just chopped up so yes, having a D&B drop were a hardcore drop makes sense. I see the preview as being a small clips of the actual mix. (He does not mix like that on Rough Tempo.)
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I'm with Vladel on this one. It's not Hardcore...so it shouldn't be on a cd project geared towards Hardcore music. I really don't get how hard that is to understand. As of matter of fact, I do want my lyrics about dreams, wishes, and love back in my Hardcore music, thank you very much. I'm so tired of the bland emotional crap that's been showered over the music in the past couple of years. Where's the cheese? Where's the happy?
You have HU and Rebuild and a lot of tracks on Track It Down. I don't know what's so hard to understand about that.
P.S. I understand, thus why I recommended you in the direction of hardcore you may like.
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Posted - 2013/02/13 : 01:50:51
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I'm with Vladel on this one. It's not Hardcore...so it shouldn't be on a cd project geared towards Hardcore music. I really don't get how hard that is to understand.
Its not hard to understand this mindset, its hard for me to care since its such a pedantic issue. Some scrub who saw the word HARDCORE at....I don't even know where this would be sold now...bought the album completely blind and got only 2/3 CDs of hardcore. How tragic. Call me a sociopath but that doesn't affect me in the slightest. Maybe, MAYBE, if there was no way to preview the album, then this would be a valid concern but at some point it simply becomes an issue of caveat emptor.
That said, I personally was welcoming our new drumstep overlords well before that preview went up. I had bought Modulate - Moving and You Got It All a while back so I knew that at least half of Breeze's mix (which I probably would have skipped had it not turned out like it did) would be drumstep.
But yeah, ultimately I just can't bring myself to care about the semantics of genre labels when I was expecting garbage like Make The Girlies Wet and instead got cool tracks like Inception.
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As of matter of fact, I do want my lyrics about dreams, wishes, and love back in my Hardcore music
Hey, I wouldnt mind this either! Some of my favorite tracks ATM are the forthcoming Brisk & Darwin collabs like Life's A Journey. Dosen't mean I want JUST music in that style. I just like too goddamn much for my own good. If you're only into ultra-happy hardcore, cool. That's fine to be. I recommend you check out the new label Magic Chord (https://soundcloud.com/the-magic-chord).
Thing is though, a lot of people apparently DON'T want hardcore like that, and since everyone is entitled to their own opinions, majority rules takes effect. That said, I don't like the mentality people like Breeze subscribe to of "fit in or f*ck off" either. Don't f*ck off, stay and grow your dedication to the non-mainstream. Don't let people like Breeze who want everyone but their sycophants to f*ck off win.
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Posted - 2013/02/13 : 01:51:51
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My point was AATW most likely doesn't know the difference between the genres.
This would be a huge knock-out criteria for an label, don't you think? :D
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Originally posted by carldj90:
I think he's mixing this music because he likes it. You really think he's just playing all this to show off? Why do you have to assume things about Breeze when there a huge fat chance he is enjoying what he is doing.
I missed the chance to type that chain of thought somehow since mixing tunes you enjoy is the first and most important requirement for being a DJ. I thought it was needless to say it in my previous post.
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Maybe he's not showing off "decent hardcore" because he hasn't been producing as much hardcore lately?
First I have to say that this comment made me laugh; it describes the past years in a good way.
Anyway, lets take a look on the tracklist:
Disc 2
1. Modulate ft MC Whizzkid - Bitch Slap <<< Dubstep
2. T2Kazuya - Youth
3. Petruccio & Modulate ft Marie Louise - Escape <<< Dubstep
4. Modulate - Dagger
5. Mob & Becci - Taking Me Over <<< Dubstep
6. Modulate ft Marie Louise - Body Scream
7. Nero - Won't You Be There (Baauer Mix) <<<<< Trap
8. Chase & Status ft Liam Bailey - Blind Faith <<<<< Drum&Bass
9. Fleur & Cutline - Broken Mirror (Metrik Remix) <<<<< Drum&Bass
10. Modulate ft Static - May Day
11. Breeze & Petruccio - Inception
12. Rocket Pimp - Grim Reaper (Skeets Mix) <<<<< Drum&Bass
13. The Prototypes - Suffocate <<<<< Drum&Bass
14. Jayline - Do You Like Jungle (Breeze VIP) <<<<< Drum&Bass, i guess
15. Tantrum Desire ft I-KAY - What Is Your Desire <<<<< Drum&Bass
16. Breeze & Modulate - Don't Hold Back
17. Breeze & Modulate ft Angie Brown - So Good <<< Dubstep
18. Modulate - Moving <<< Dubstep
19. Tyl3r & Reynolds - Break Out
20. Jenn D - Lose It (Loadstar Mix) <<<<< Drum&Bass
21. Breeze & Chris Unknown - R3tro
22. Breeze & Modulate - You Got It All <<< Dubstep
23. Magikstar - Calling (Modulate VIP Mix) <<< Dubstep
Rest is either unavailable for public or dubcore
So, in conclusion, this CD is really a package full of dubstep and D&B, after i spent some time on clips over soundcloud and youtube
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Posted - 2013/02/13 : 02:16:44
Long story short, there's always HU & a bunch of other independent labels still producing the "old" sound.
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