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_Jay_
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 Posted - 2013/03/21 : 22:36:48
Urgh. Can we please not have another thread devoted to people arguing about this shit again.
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Warnman
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Posted - 2013/03/21 : 22:59:08
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Originally posted by DJ Hellfury:
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Originally posted by Warnman:
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
How do you mean man?
Samination couldn't have said it any better. It's a slap in the face of ravers simply because only arrogant or drugged up producers think their production is godlike shit that everyone should must have a taste of. And this track is the hymn of this movement!
1) producers should create whatever the **** they want as long as they enjoy it
2) producers should create whatever the **** they want as long as they don't mix different genres altogether and act like douchebags when they get massive criticism
Take your choice!
I sign both points! Reality shows: they don't!
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2013/03/21 : 23:02:54
The guy just wants lyrics!
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_Jay_
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Posted - 2013/03/21 : 23:11:16
Ha ha!! A lot of this happening lately.
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Posted - 2013/03/22 : 03:20:44
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Originally posted by Warnman:
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
How do you mean man?
Samination couldn't have said it any better. It's a slap in the face of ravers simply because only arrogant or drugged up producers think their production is godlike shit that everyone should must have a taste of. And this track is the hymn of this movement!
Surely if anyone is arrogant, it's the uppity ravers who think producers should be making tunes to cater to their tastes rather than expressing themselves however they like musically, no?
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_Jay_
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Posted - 2013/03/22 : 10:42:52
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Originally posted by jenks:
Surely if anyone is arrogant, it's the uppity ravers who think producers should be making tunes to cater to their tastes rather than expressing themselves however they like musically, no?
That's a gross simplification of the situation. If you've spent ten years-plus cultivating a fan base of ravers that attend events where DJs play a certain style of Hardcore, and labels release a certain style of Hardcore - you've got no right to describe those fans/customers/supports as "uppity" if they question a massive, fundamental change of style and atmospherical quality to the music they've been fed for the last ten years.
I appreciate, and agree, that it doesn't help bitching and whining about it constantly - and I pretty much avoid doing it altogether, personally, but I'm certainly not of the opinion that ravers should "Shut up, or fcuk off", or be labelled as uppity for questioning changes in "artistic pursuits" or "expression".
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Posted - 2013/03/22 : 10:58:01
Let's take you back to the oldskool, but we now ____
*warning: Busta Rhymes, just mumbling*
____, but i dont need to be cruel
you get in touch ________________ ,
i smoke weed ____ , no joking ____
you ___ fist ___ kiss ___, _______ dismiss ____
____dream, so if you know what I mean, let me hear you scream!
then let me hear you scream!
then let me hear you scream!
Lets take you back to the oldskool
Leeeeee __ back to the oldskool
Lets take you back to the oldskool
Lets take you back to the oldskool
Lets take you back to the oldskool
Lets take you back to the oldskool
Lets take you back to the oldskool
Lets take you back to the olds...
Lets take you back to the oldskool
Lets taaaaaaaaaake you baaaack to the oldskool
*warning: Busta Rhymes, just mumbling*
____, but i dont need to be cruel
you get in touch ________________ ,
i smoke weed ____ , no joking ____
you ___ fist ___ kiss ___, _______ dismiss ____
____dream, so if you know what I mean, let me hear you scream!
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww waaaaaah, oooooh ohhh oohhhhhuuuhhhh
Take me back to the oldskool!
Take me back to the oldskool
Take me back
Take me back to the oldskool
Take me back
Take me back to the oldskool
Take me back
Take me back to the oldskool
Take me back!
Let meeee
Let meee
Let me heaaa
Let me heaaa
SCREAMMMM
Let's take you back to the oldskool,
OOwwww back to the oldskool
*warning: Busta Rhymes, just mumbling*
____, but i dont need to be cruel
you get in touch ________________ ,
i smoke weed ____ , no joking ____
you ___ fist ___ kiss ___, _______ dismiss ____
____dream, so if you know what I mean, let me hear you scream!
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Posted - 2013/03/22 : 12:51:24
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
How do you mean man?
Oh, and if anyone wants to give me any tips on how to mix the fcuking thing - please do!
Simple really mate.
Breakbeat/DnB tune - We killed the rave - Anything with with a short intro.
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_Jay_
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Posted - 2013/03/22 : 12:59:29
Drum & Bass? Yuk.
But nah, cheers - I'll give it a bash. Haven't actually given it a go yet. CDJs will be back with me in May, hopefully. WELL frustrating buying all these unmixed tunes and not being able to blast them out in a mix.
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jenks
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Posted - 2013/03/22 : 15:03:22
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
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Originally posted by jenks:
Surely if anyone is arrogant, it's the uppity ravers who think producers should be making tunes to cater to their tastes rather than expressing themselves however they like musically, no?
That's a gross simplification of the situation. If you've spent ten years-plus cultivating a fan base of ravers that attend events where DJs play a certain style of Hardcore, and labels release a certain style of Hardcore - you've got no right to describe those fans/customers/supports as "uppity" if they question a massive, fundamental change of style and atmospherical quality to the music they've been fed for the last ten years.
I appreciate, and agree, that it doesn't help bitching and whining about it constantly - and I pretty much avoid doing it altogether, personally, but I'm certainly not of the opinion that ravers should "Shut up, or fcuk off", or be labelled as uppity for questioning changes in "artistic pursuits" or "expression".
They're not questioning it, they're spitting their dummies out and having a hissy fit. They have a false sense of entitlement that they're desperately trying to justify. They don't like a style of music, so they don't want producers to make it, it's as simple as that. If it were half as paradigm shifting as people are making out then ravers would vote with their feet and Breeze sets would be met with tumbleweed. We Killed The Rave a slap in the face to ravers? Behave. It was probably the biggest tune of the year!
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_Jay_
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Posted - 2013/03/22 : 16:15:25
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Originally posted by jenks:
They're not questioning it, they're spitting their dummies out and having a hissy fit. They have a false sense of entitlement that they're desperately trying to justify. They don't like a style of music, so they don't want producers to make it, it's as simple as that. If it were half as paradigm shifting as people are making out then ravers would vote with their feet and Breeze sets would be met with tumbleweed. We Killed The Rave a slap in the face to ravers? Behave. It was probably the biggest tune of the year!
What is false about the sense of entitlement? The people that are having hissy fits are the people that have supported the careers of the people that are now changing/have changed their style of music (it's not even a change of style in most cases, it's totally different music). I honestly don't see how you can be surprised about that, or berate people for doing it.
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Originally posted by jenks:
They don't like a style of music, so they don't want producers to make it, it's as simple as that.
It's absolutely not as simple as that. You're making it sound like people have wandered into Hardcore, found this new style and then gone mental. At the risk of sounding like a broken record - it's passionate Hardcore fans that are venting because the people they love have out of nowhere stopped making the music they love, and replaced it with something that has almost absolutely no resemblance to Hardcore from barely a few years ago.
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Originally posted by jenks:
We Killed The Rave a slap in the face to ravers? Behave. It was probably the biggest tune of the year!
I don't know if that's directed at me, or just general rhetoric, but if you look back at earlier in this thread you'll see that I actually like that track. I bought it the week it came out.
In general: I, and others, do vote with our feet. I go to smaller raves with line-ups that deliver the stuff I want. And these smaller events are becoming increasingly more popular. There's some phenomenal nights around at the moment.
As for Breeze's sets - I've seen the reaction first-hand. I saw him in March 2012 at DanceKore in London. At least 30% of people after the second or third track started looking around at each other as if to say "what the fcuk?". I went out for a smoke, but the smoking area had become so busy I had to go back in. At which time he dropped the 2011 mix of 24/7 which is actually quality. But then it was back to the new stuff, and I spent the hour just going out smoking and coming back again. The dancefloor was busier and livelier when Sc@r came on and did her set.
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Posted - 2013/03/22 : 18:40:50
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
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Originally posted by jenks:
They're not questioning it, they're spitting their dummies out and having a hissy fit. They have a false sense of entitlement that they're desperately trying to justify. They don't like a style of music, so they don't want producers to make it, it's as simple as that. If it were half as paradigm shifting as people are making out then ravers would vote with their feet and Breeze sets would be met with tumbleweed. We Killed The Rave a slap in the face to ravers? Behave. It was probably the biggest tune of the year!
What is false about the sense of entitlement? The people that are having hissy fits are the people that have supported the careers of the people that are now changing/have changed their style of music (it's not even a change of style in most cases, it's totally different music). I honestly don't see how you can be surprised about that, or berate people for doing it.
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Originally posted by jenks:
They don't like a style of music, so they don't want producers to make it, it's as simple as that.
It's absolutely not as simple as that. You're making it sound like people have wandered into Hardcore, found this new style and then gone mental. At the risk of sounding like a broken record - it's passionate Hardcore fans that are venting because the people they love have out of nowhere stopped making the music they love, and replaced it with something that has almost absolutely no resemblance to Hardcore from barely a few years ago.
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Originally posted by jenks:
We Killed The Rave a slap in the face to ravers? Behave. It was probably the biggest tune of the year!
I don't know if that's directed at me, or just general rhetoric, but if you look back at earlier in this thread you'll see that I actually like that track. I bought it the week it came out.
In general: I, and others, do vote with our feet. I go to smaller raves with line-ups that deliver the stuff I want. And these smaller events are becoming increasingly more popular. There's some phenomenal nights around at the moment.
As for Breeze's sets - I've seen the reaction first-hand. I saw him in March 2012 at DanceKore in London. At least 30% of people after the second or third track started looking around at each other as if to say "what the fcuk?". I went out for a smoke, but the smoking area had become so busy I had to go back in. At which time he dropped the 2011 mix of 24/7 which is actually quality. But then it was back to the new stuff, and I spent the hour just going out smoking and coming back again. The dancefloor was busier and livelier when Sc@r came on and did her set.
Recently on Breeze's pages anyone questioning him about his style of 'hardcore' get's deleted.
Mark Breeze
12 March
actually feel like I've made it as a dj when hate pages are made in my honour .. but i was prob djin when you were conceived muppet.
Mark Breeze
19 February
seriously, if you come on my page to just go on .. you get banned, simple & easy.
if you don't like what i play then unlike the page anyway.
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Posted - 2013/03/22 : 18:45:42
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Originally posted by jenks:
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
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Originally posted by jenks:
Surely if anyone is arrogant, it's the uppity ravers who think producers should be making tunes to cater to their tastes rather than expressing themselves however they like musically, no?
That's a gross simplification of the situation. If you've spent ten years-plus cultivating a fan base of ravers that attend events where DJs play a certain style of Hardcore, and labels release a certain style of Hardcore - you've got no right to describe those fans/customers/supports as "uppity" if they question a massive, fundamental change of style and atmospherical quality to the music they've been fed for the last ten years.
I appreciate, and agree, that it doesn't help bitching and whining about it constantly - and I pretty much avoid doing it altogether, personally, but I'm certainly not of the opinion that ravers should "Shut up, or fcuk off", or be labelled as uppity for questioning changes in "artistic pursuits" or "expression".
They're not questioning it, they're spitting their dummies out and having a hissy fit. They have a false sense of entitlement that they're desperately trying to justify. They don't like a style of music, so they don't want producers to make it, it's as simple as that. If it were half as paradigm shifting as people are making out then ravers would vote with their feet and Breeze sets would be met with tumbleweed. We Killed The Rave a slap in the face to ravers? Behave. It was probably the biggest tune of the year!
Do You even rave bro?
Every time one of the "dubcore" producers comes on at any rave, the dancefloor pretty much empties, and everyone starts complaining about the music. I've seen it many times, the worst was in spain, breeze came on and about 70% of people just walked out.
If they wanna make it, fine, just stop trying to ram it down the throat of people that clearly don't like it, and don't want to listen to it.
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Warnman
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Posted - 2013/03/22 : 23:02:24
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Originally posted by jenks:
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Originally posted by Warnman:
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
How do you mean man?
Samination couldn't have said it any better. It's a slap in the face of ravers simply because only arrogant or drugged up producers think their production is godlike shit that everyone should must have a taste of. And this track is the hymn of this movement!
Surely if anyone is arrogant, it's the uppity ravers who think producers should be making tunes to cater to their tastes rather than expressing themselves however they like musically, no?
Musicians, producers, DJs and artists can do whatever the f**k they feel to do, but at least they should know what they are actually doing and characterise it correctly. But no..., Dubstep played at over 160 bm simply gets called Hardcore over and over again! It's not all about the speed of music (Metal and Hardrock sometimes even is faster than Hardcore, but it it's still not called Hardcore); music contains clear structures as well (melody, charakter, etc.) and calling this accelerated Dubstep Hardcore is nothing else than calling coitus interruptus having a multiple orgasm: it's so f**king wrong - even though someone likes it (I'm fine with that - that's their own opinion). But calling something "New Style" Hardcore that sounds 100% non-hardcore simply can not be Hardcore. I can not produce minimalistic music and call it Hardore - what the f**k? Minimal is the total opposition of Hardcore! This is only done by arrogant bastards who are on their own personal Paris-Hilton-life-trip and think they are so outstanding, because they have more than 1000 followers on facebook. Of course they should have at least the balls to face the criticsm, but no: the big majority of them is only behaving like a balloon filled with hot air and simply kills any sign of it. Please copy jerks like Justin Biber or Lady Gaga, if you want to earn money. Poor music will always get registered and prefered of human race, because 99% are seriously not interested in music. You can play the the same sound of a breaking neck for 4h hours and they wouldn't even notice it and they'd even would dance to the sound of a bread cutter.
To come back to the "We Killed The Rave"-track: it's the answer of the producers to the people who criticise them and they are spitting in our faces to my opinion. The involved persons people might think it is funny (I still might have some problems to understand the special English humour), but to me it's a rude arrogant insult.
It's very impressing that a bunch of Hardcore loonies are able to produce much better Hardcore within a few days than self-called top tiers have tried to do for the past 20 years. It's embarassing - FOR THEM!
Damn, I'm soooooo f**kin' tired about posting my point of view over and over and over and over again. It's like chatting to an answerphone...
To my opinion chances for a tremendous comeback for Hardcore Music has never been any better than today and this scene ruins it simply by copying genres that already have passed their peaks a long time ago and smell like rotten flesh.
Seriously some persons seriously have to recheck their drug abuses (especially producers). I've never taken any drugs that society prejudices usually expects from rave scene and I don't feel the urge to change in this way.
Signed,
A very pissed off Warnman
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Posted - 2013/03/22 : 23:11:34
I love you Warnman :-)
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