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Hard2Get
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 Posted - 2013/03/22 : 23:13:55
I feel mostly the same as you Warnman. The difference being i thought Hardcore stopped sounding like Hardcore about 7 years ago (with some exceptions).
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_Jay_
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Posted - 2013/03/22 : 23:17:30
But now you love Douglas and you're gonna start coming to Freeform raves with me.
Aren't you.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2013/03/23 : 00:19:57
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
But now you love Douglas and you're gonna start coming to Freeform raves with me.
Aren't you.
If i can get me some of that Warnman loving.
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_Jay_
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Posted - 2013/03/23 : 00:37:25
Well that's not very promising, Warnman lives in Germany!
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2013/03/23 : 00:57:04
From you!
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_Jay_
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Posted - 2013/03/23 : 01:01:25
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
From you!
That is beyond cryptic.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2013/03/23 : 01:03:35
I was about to type 'I want the loving you were going to give to Warnman', then thought to myself 'What the hell am i typing?'.
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jenks
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Posted - 2013/03/23 : 03:29:12
Too much ******** to address one at a time, so I'll just reply to the general theme.
It doesn't matter how dedicated someone is to hardcore, it doesn't matter how much they love it and how much they wish certain producers would adhere to some flimsy criteria that they just made up for the genre. The producers have ZERO obligation to make music that anyone in particular wants to listen to, and the fact that people's frustration with producers is somewhat understandable doesn't mean that their whining is justifiable. You're not entitled to the music you want any more than they're entitled to your support. If you like what they make, then listen, if you don't, then don't, but this notion that the ravers have been somehow 'betrayed' is ****ing pathetic.
The use of new synths and tweaks in track structure are fundamentally no different than the changes that were made in the early naughties. Mid-track heavy breakdowns were largely ditched and the trance synths came in. There were people who tried to paint it as an affront to the scene then just as people are doing now, ironically many of whom seem to have switched positions. Why? Because it's not about principles, it's about certain people not liking certain sounds at the forefront of the scene, so they look for a way to rationalize why this new sound they don't like is somehow 'wrong'.
And I say forefront, because you don't hear a peep about Freeform, despite it probably veering from the classic Hardcore vibe even more.
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Samination
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Posted - 2013/03/23 : 08:16:55
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Originally posted by jenks:
And I say forefront, because you don't hear a peep about Freeform, despite it probably veering from the classic Hardcore vibe even more.
That's because Freeform wasn't advertised as taking over the sound like Breeze did with his dubcore stuff.
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kathryn
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Posted - 2013/03/23 : 08:18:34
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
I was about to type 'I want the loving you were going to give to Warnman', then thought to myself 'What the hell am i typing?'.
aw you 2 get a room  
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Samination
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Posted - 2013/03/23 : 09:35:26
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Originally posted by kathryn:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
I was about to type 'I want the loving you were going to give to Warnman', then thought to myself 'What the hell am i typing?'.
aw you 2 get a room
those 3 you mean. Dont forget Warnman :P
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DJ Hellfury
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Posted - 2013/03/23 : 09:38:36
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by kathryn:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
I was about to type 'I want the loving you were going to give to Warnman', then thought to myself 'What the hell am i typing?'.
aw you 2 get a room
those 3 you mean. Dont forget Warnman :P
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_Jay_
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Posted - 2013/03/23 : 10:30:38
LOL.
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Originally posted by jenks:
Too much ******** to address one at a time, so I'll just reply to the general theme.
It doesn't matter how dedicated someone is to hardcore, it doesn't matter how much they love it and how much they wish certain producers would adhere to some flimsy criteria that they just made up for the genre. The producers have ZERO obligation to make music that anyone in particular wants to listen to, and the fact that people's frustration with producers is somewhat understandable doesn't mean that their whining is justifiable. You're not entitled to the music you want any more than they're entitled to your support. If you like what they make, then listen, if you don't, then don't, but this notion that the ravers have been somehow 'betrayed' is ****ing pathetic.
The use of new synths and tweaks in track structure are fundamentally no different than the changes that were made in the early naughties. Mid-track heavy breakdowns were largely ditched and the trance synths came in. There were people who tried to paint it as an affront to the scene then just as people are doing now, ironically many of whom seem to have switched positions. Why? Because it's not about principles, it's about certain people not liking certain sounds at the forefront of the scene, so they look for a way to rationalize why this new sound they don't like is somehow 'wrong'.
And I say forefront, because you don't hear a peep about Freeform, despite it probably veering from the classic Hardcore vibe even more.
I'm not trying to get you to say that people being pissed off/betrayed/irritated is TECHNICALLY allowed/right/correct - I'm saying "Can you understand why they are?".
We're not going to agree on anything here are we mate. And it doesn't make a blind bit of difference if we agree or not. The state of the music is as it is. And, actually, I've never been more excited to be part of Hardcore. There's some amazing stuff out there, especially Freeform-wise.
Total waste of time from both of us, really. We're not even debating the music. We're debating whether people's reaction to music is suitable or not.
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jenks
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Posted - 2013/03/23 : 16:07:33
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by jenks:
And I say forefront, because you don't hear a peep about Freeform, despite it probably veering from the classic Hardcore vibe even more.
That's because Freeform wasn't advertised as taking over the sound like Breeze did with his dubcore stuff.
Did he? I don't remember that.
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Samination
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Posted - 2013/03/23 : 17:45:10
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Originally posted by jenks:
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by jenks:
And I say forefront, because you don't hear a peep about Freeform, despite it probably veering from the classic Hardcore vibe even more.
That's because Freeform wasn't advertised as taking over the sound like Breeze did with his dubcore stuff.
Did he? I don't remember that.
as I dont remember what exactly what he said, but it was clearly in the line of "This is the new sound of Hardcore".
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